At the beginning of the film carlito accompanies his cousin to a drug deal and the cousin is murdered, there is no reference after though- no funeral, revenge or even an explanation to the young boys mother, any1 else find this strange?
shareMaybe, and i repeat, maybe, its done to show how much carlito wanted to change. i.e. by not going after the killers.
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I agree but It's a little strange because, is gonna eat with the mother just before the murder.. I know the scene are maybe not useful to the rest of story but like 'Irish Goodfella', I think not showing this, break the continuity of the story..
shareToo me it seems that Carlito isn't actually that close to his cousin, and probably his cousins mother too... It seems there more like distant relatives who he's seen little of. His cousin seems more concerned about the street-cred that walking in with "the legend" will bring him with his drug dealing "associates".
And Carlito kills the main two that did the murder, the other two pool playing punks he knocked out probably ran away and hid somewhere...
and also, when Pachanga mentioned it too him later... Carlito does reply that it was some months ago so something probably happened in the meantime.
His cousin chose that life, not Carlito's problem, not worth going to prison over.
share*****His cousin chose that life, not Carlito's problem, not worth going to prison over.*****
True. His cousin was naive and flashy. Recall that the cousin had a nice suped up car. I don't think anyone would assume he saved up for it by working at the corner 7-11.
"not going after the killers."
I just watched it and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he waste the whole bunch right away?
yeah tru that i watched that and noticed that carlitos fresh out of prison is trying to do everything in his power to avaoid going back to his old way of living and that was hard him being there noticing when those thugs were setting up his cousin and then he makes it out alive and barely gets away from the police which makes it even better for him!!!!!
shareWhy isn't anyone mentioning the fact he basically wiped out that room of people the main 2 culprits were dead... who else was there left to kill?
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Zing! I thought I was just going crazy.
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When I first watched that scene (and I can remember it like it was yesterday) the first words out of my mouth were, "That's the same mfker in Ghost."
and his cousin is the guy who plays Frank Lucas' partner in American Gangster
sharehe's also the bad guy in miami vice, and hes in Public Enemies
the truth is we can't all be stars, but I'll be god damned if I'll settle for bronze....
Carlito had to stay away from any ties to the deal gone bad. If the police had any wind of him being there and killing the dude who was counting the money or just for being there at all, even he says, it's enough dope to put him back in prison for life. He had to let it just go over him. It's a *beep* thing to do, but it was a choice of being free or going back to prison. Besides, he got both of the guys who killed his cousin. The other two were "bonus points", but no need to go after them, they would be serving time anyways. Best to stay away. :o
If it bleeds, we can kill it!
There's a part of the story that people seem to overlook.
His cousin's boss had been killed earlier by the same people he was doing the deal with.
As he reaches for the soda/beer.....the "ghost" guy says that his boss is dead right before he kills him.
His cousin just didn't know or else he never would have showed up there....
There was nobody left to kill.... the guys in that dingy club were just some cowboys who got taken out by CB.
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That sequence was similar to the "drug deal gone bad" sequence in Scarface. If you remember in Scarface when Tony, along with Manny, Chi Chi, and Angel go to that hotel to do their first deal with the Colombians. Both Tony and Angel meet Hector, Marta, and the other two Colombians at the hotel room while Manny and Chi Chi wait in the car(of course, Manny's hitting on that hot blonde). But while, Tony and Angel are doing the deal, it turns bad with Angel being killed by the chainsaw but then Manny and Chi Chi come and save Tony from a similar death for which they kill all of the Colombians and take both the money and the "yeyo"(cocaine). In Carlito's Way, it was basically the same thing. Carlito accompanies Guajiro on that deal but it ends up being the death of Guajiro for which Carlito kills Quisquiea("Willy Lopez" from Ghost) and that long-haired guy who looked American Indian but knocks out the pool players. Of course, Carlito takes the money that was used in that deal and just like Tony, he takes off before the cops show up to the crime scene.
P.S. I wonder what happened to those two chicks that were in the pool room before everything turned bad? I'm asking because both of the girls took off before Guajiro was killed.
Adios amigo get some where to be, gotta hide.
shareWas just on tv, when the guy Pachanga (I think) mentions it to Carlito, Carlito says "That was a month ago!" guessing the funeral happened in that month that we don't get to see. Probably along with how Carlito accumulated the 70k from the club.
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The whole pool bar murder/shooting did not make much sense. Why kill the kid in in the same room and in front of those 2 hoochie girls dancing on the tables? Did they think those girls were going to be cool with witnessing some poor young teen get his throat slit in front of them and not talk or try to stop it? The other 2 guys playing pool seemed oblivious to what was going to happen, were they going to be okay with seeing a young teen get his throat slit while playing pool? What was their plan for Carlito, they seemed way more interested in the pool game and Carlito's trick shot then having to deal with a possibly armed Carlito stopping his cousin from being murdered. The one guy did seem to know something was up in the bathroom when he stopped Carlito from using it but why be so into a pool game/trick shot when a murder was about to go down especially with his possibly armed uncle right in the room, he should have positioned himself to quickly shoot or detain Carlito right before the kid got it. Where they going to take out a big shot like Carlito too just because he was just with his cousin? The whole thing was really sloppy and poorly thought out.
They should have certainly made sure the ditzy dancing girls left so there are not many witnesses, the guy in the bathroom and the other guy should have eliminated Carlito first if they decided they were going to take out a big shot like Carlito.
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Why kill the kid in in the same room and in front of those 2 hoochie girls dancing on the tables? Did they think those girls were going to be cool with witnessing some poor young teen get his throat slit in front of them and not talk or try to stop it?
The other 2 guys playing pool seemed oblivious to what was going to happen, were they going to be okay with seeing a young teen get his throat slit while playing pool?
What was their plan for Carlito
Why be so into a pool game/trick shot when a murder was about to go down especially with his possibly armed uncle right in the room.
Where they going to take out a big shot like Carlito too just because he was just with his cousin? The whole thing was really sloppy and poorly thought out.
Sounds like my up bringing.
shareI did, I thought it was going to be an important subplot, that maybe the police would at least question Carlito but it was never mentioned again.
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The film takes place in Harlem early 1970's, which back in the day (not so sure now) was gang infested slum pits. Murders were an everyday common thing for people in Harlem back in the day. That's probably why there is no funeral or nothing.
Basically, no one knew that Carlito was going to be there. He just dropped in. So he's a ghost. It's a drug deal gone wrong, and either the gang members killed each other or somebody came in and killed them all. Either way, since no one knew Carlito was going to be there and he doesn't want to take the rap for the murder why would he get involved.
If there was a funeral or a memorial, and I'm sure there as, no matter if it was a gang infested slum pit, Puerto Rican families are very close and would never let one of their own die without a service, there's no point in showing it except for a moment where Carlito would express his condolences and basically lie when he says what a terrible tragedy it is. I think that scene would be great on a TV show, but in a movie you don't have as much time, obviously, and it wouldn't have added much to the overall story of a man who is trying to go legit and everywhere he turns fate is throwing him in the other direction no matter what he does.
"I'M RELOADED!"
I always wondered about this as well. Carlito & his cousin walk in to the back from from the Barbershop front, which was crowded so people saw him walk in. It's not like Carlito was forgetable. I also call into question my money Carlito kept for himself. $30 grand is alot of money to just let walk away without the any reprecussion from the person it belonged to.
I can however explain that away by saying that since Carlito did not ake the dugs & the people the cousin was buying from most liely had additional money in the den that it would be assumed that the cops wrote the report up as an undiscolsed amount of money & drugs were found & seized at the scene.
I say undicsclosed because back in the 70's the NYPD was very corrupt & the cops were doing as mush dealing & robbery's of dealers as much as the dealers. So it could be safe to say that who ever the money orginally belonged to it was chaulked up as a loss due to police seizure & the prcie of doing business.
Well, he practically killed everyone in the bar, wasn't that enough revenge? but anyway, the scene kind of shows that Carlito couldn't escape his past. It wasn't really about the cousin so I think a funeral would've been a little unnecessary.
He's dead set on change....but as the movie shows it's easier said than done.
His cousin was a little low life hustler, there was no need to fret over his one little ass. Puerto Ricans, Carlito had dozens of cousins, this one was moot at that point & he almost got C killed.
shareDid everyone forget 1 detail ?
How the hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll did Carlito leave out the back door and NOBODY on the planet noticed or saw him ???
He smoothly goes out the door, but there were people around...not too far. Cop cars did roll up. He just walked out of there fast, but looked suspicious. I know I am not the only 1 who thought about this. Then he easily gets rid of the weapon like nothing happened.
My belief, this scene and the last 10-15 mins of the movie were the "only real parts", where Carlito had a brain. There was thinking and no using his heart; but his mind.
Last note, that I do NOT know if anyone else noticed too. Due to his empathy, sympathy or whatever you wanna call it = HE let Benny Blanco live...He kept believing Pachanga and Kleinfeld were his brothers but the sneakiest guy being Ron (Sasso) was his only true ally, outside of Gail.
Damn Carlito, what did you learn in prison ???
He learned to trust the people who got him outta prison even if they R snakes and there lies the problem.
Spoiler alert for them spoil sports out there! Y'all like spoiled milk, stop crying over it!