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It's just a rumour...



I don't know when exactly I read it, maybe a few years ago, but it was in a web page. It said that the cause of Stu's condition was a kick in the head he received in a fight from... none other than John Lennon!
I really would like to know if anyone of you read it too, has another version of this story or knows the true cause of his condition.
I'm not buying it, i don't think it was that kick what killed him, but around the beatles there's always some kind of "conspiracy" going on (just remember the Paul's dead hox).


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Their former manager Alan Williams, says that he got the kick in the head from a thug after a gig in the Wirral.

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The actual damage came from the much written about fight after a gig where he and John were attacked and John, after shaking off his assailants, went to help Stu.

However, there was a fight they had where John did kick him in the head, and John always felt guilty but it is not what caused it, but despite that John apparently felt responsible still.

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The 1979 TV movie Birth of the Beatles [q.v.], which covers much of the same ground as Backbeat, depicts Stu being beaten by a gang of hoodlums, and intimates that this was the eventual cause of his fatal brain hemorrhage. It's unlikely that either this beating or the kick from Lennon had anything to do with it, however.

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I think it is a little bit of everything. But it could also be Stuart's poor health condition. His sister wrote that he often drank and got little sleep.

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According to Peter Brown in his book "The Love You Make", an autopsy was performed on Stuart after he died. The pathologists opened up his head and found a brain tumor. He had been seeing doctors in the months before he died but they couldn't find out what was wrong with him. X-rays that were taken didn't reveal anything because this tumor didn't show up on them. In those days, there were no CAT scans, MRIs, or ultrasounds, all of which likely would have picked it up. Now, whatever caused that brain tumor to form in the first place could have been just about anything. It could have been those fights where he was kicked or the result of his personal habits. I tend to believe it was the result of the fights because he was pretty young and it's not too likely his habits would have caught up to him by then. If he had been 10 or more years older, then it would have been possible but not at the age of 21.

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I am amused how many of the posters here mention that, while John did once kick Stu in the head, it was not (or unlikey) the cause of his brain hemorrhage. I would like to know where they got this information. The truth is, the world will never know what caused Stu's hemorrhage, but years later, John Lennon DID tell people close to him (including Yoko) that he believed that he was responsible for Stu's death from kicking him in the head with his boots. Of course the film depiction (and other films as well) leads the viewer to believe that John had "rescued" Stu from being beaten by thugs. Nobody in the Beatles, or their German friends have ever elaborated on the thug story, but it has been established that from time to time Stu was often the recipient of John's wrath and vicious temper in the early days of the Beatles.

I enjoyed this film, being a longtime Beatles fan, but it is filled with factual errors. One that I got a kick out of was that in this film, Stu is portrayed as a pretty good bass player. Truth was, Stu could barely play a note and would practically turn his back to the audience to try to hide it. Often times the volume on his bass or amp was turned almost off. It was John who kept Stu in the band, as behind his cold exterior, John did really love Stu, but would never show it. The Beatles actually learned of Stu's death from Astrid when they returned to Hamburg after a break back to Liverpool. Astrid would later recount that the Beatles all actually cried, except for John, who hid his feelings from everyone and showed no emotion whatsoever. Typical early Lennon...




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In Albert Goldman's book The Lives Of John Lennon; he alleges that Lennon once attacked Stu in a fit of rage and booted him in the head several times. John has confessed to the incident and expressed guilt that he may have contributed to Stu's demise. However, alot of Goldman's book was sensationalized.

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There definitely were inaccuracies in Albert Goldman's book on John Lennon. I was living in Hawaii at the time it came out and the local newspaper pointed out two of the more glaring inconsistencies in it. The book claimed that John visited Hawaii in the late 1970s. However, he supposedly visited a place called "Uwe Beach". There is no such place. The closest is a place called Ewa Beach and it was hardly a tourist area at the time. Also, how would someone that famous have been able to slip in unnoticed? Anytime a celebrity visits the islands, it's a major local news event.

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Albert Goldman made-up MOST of the Stories included in ALL of His So-Called "Biographies" ... if You read HIS Versions of Celebrities' Lives , You will see as-follows: Frank Sinatra = Recluse + Closet-Homosexual. Elvis Presley = Recluse + Closet-Homosexual. John Lennon = Recluse + Closet-Homosexual ... "Real Life" = Each had An "Entourage". Neither Lennon nor Sinatra could ever be-considered to be "reclusive" , and Nobody (Other-than Friends and Immediate Family) really know about the Sexual Activites of Any of the Three (Anyone can start/perpetuate a Rumour).

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Yeah, there seems to be a very consistent theme in Albert Goldman's books. Perhaps somebody never came out of the closet himself?

Also, almost all of his books were about dead subjects (who therefore could not sue for libel).

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Frank Sinatra would have done more than sue for libel. He'd've sent the "guys" around for a friendly chat with Goldman.

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I heard they were beaten by locals after a gig in Litherland.

I was told that Lennon was known to be a fighter during his youth though.

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Stuart was never kicked in the head. This is a myth. He wasn't injured in the fight at Lathom Hall, as Pete Best and Neil Aspinall, as witnesses have said. The myth comes from Allan Williams book 'The Man Who Sold the Beatles' and is made up. The fantasy that John kicked Stuart in the head in Hamburg comes from Goldmann's book on Lennon - and was copied by Pauline Sutcliffe in her third book on her brother, although she'd always previously denied it.
Mrs Mille Sutcliffe and Neilsa Kirchherr both said that he began to suffer headaches after he'd fallen down the steps of the attic flat he lived in at Astrod's house, but that's not as dramatic as people would like. If you have to decide on the myth and the truth, people always prefer the myth.

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According to Stuart Sutcliffe's sister, he received a kick in the head from John Lennon during a particularly vicious fight, which created a brain anuerysm which was what actually killed Stuart. She said she refrained from saying so for a long time, especially while John Lennon was alive as she didn't want to incur his wrath. She also said John Lennon was remorseful about his role in Stuart's death, as he cared for him deeply. Another claim she made was that despite Stuart's love for Astrid, John and Stuart were lovers. Apparently, John's bisexuality was well known; he was also romatically involved with Brian Epstein.

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No way.

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Stu's death is as mysterious as Bruce Lee's

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