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Dieyi's death... opinions?


So I recently finished watching FMC with my mother, and we both loved it. However, my mom has an interesting interpretation of Dieyi's death. Although it seems he kills himself at the end with the sword, she thinks that he died back when the Communist captured them. Remember when he exploded and was calling Juxian a slut, and the officers got a hold of him and blindfolded him like they were going to execute him? My mom thinks that's where he died, he got shot, and the Dieyi at the end with Xialou was just a ghost.

It's an interesting theory, does anyone feel the same?

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Interesting theory but your mom is not correct. The ending of the movie is nearly the same as the book but in the book, Dieyi doesn't die. He cuts his throat with the sword enough to break the skin, falls into his beloved Xiaolou's arms, but does not die.

He was not executed by the Red Guards in either version.



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seems like someone post the original writer's version. I believe, however, this film is opened to interpretation.

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Well no matter what happened, it would be best if you didn't make the title of this post "Dieyi's death... opinions?" & had put "Spoiler question" or something to that effect. I just finished the movie, & if I had needed to come here for info before I watched it & saw your post, I would hunt you down like they did Douzi & *beep*





But we're cool, ok?

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As someone already noted, you absolutely MUST write ***SPOILER*** in your subject line.

To respond to your post, I don't believe Dieyi died at the hands of the soldiers. He died when you saw him die.

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Interesting theory, however the death is linked to the death of the concubine in the opera. As the emperor realises his defeat the concubine kills herself, just as Dieyi does when it is obvious they will never play the parts again.

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No way. You could search opinions on the board about the DVD quality, the actors who appear in the film, or the historical background. Hundred of things which might be interesting to know prior to watch the film.

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I have to second those who rightly suggest that Dieyi does not die until the very last scene.

Regardless of what happens in the original novel, in the film it is clearly shown that he is still alive after the "popular trial" by the Red Guards mob. He lives to receive the sword from Juxian (Gong Li), Xiaolo's wife, before she goes on to hang herself at home, and when her suicide is discovered by Xiaolo in the next scene, Dieyi is also present as a living human.

So there is really no reason to suspect that Dieyi is a ghost in the 1977 scenes.

I just don't like this ending that much -- killing himself after surviving all the humiliation and despair during the Cultural Revolution just to die years later in the arms of a man who shamelessly betrayed him under mass pressure back then?

To be sure, I like the honesty of the betrayal scene, but not Dieyi's decision to kill himself years later when whatever emotional motives for him to do so should have diminished over time. That only shows how deep his obsession is with a particular way to end his life, rather than love for or resentment at anyone or anything.

In any case, on a technical note, the Red Guards were neither officials nor soldiers. They were just youngsters revolting on the encouragement of Mao Zedong during the Cultural Revolution (1966-76). Because it was out of the will of the old Chairman, neither the law enforcement nor the armed forces dared to stand in the Red Guards' way. China thus descended into a decade of chaos until Mao died in 1976.

After the disastrous Cultural Revolution finally came to an end with the passing of Mao, those in the Communist Party who assumed power decided to place the blame on Mao's wife and a few propaganda officials instead of their late Chairman. That is the "Gang of Four" they mention in the opening scene of the film.

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Dieyi and Xiaolo had a little speech at the end where Dieyi said by nature he is a boy and not a girl.

That's a pretty strong message right there. He knows in his heart he is one but he was born as a male and he can never get around that.

Xiaolo likes him as a friend/brother but never someone who could be intimate with and that was what pained Dieyi. It didn't matter that some years has passed on between different events. His love of Xiaolo runs deep and the only way out of it was to release himself of his pain.

Xialo screams out two names at the end: Dieyi and Douzo. Dieyi is Concubine Yu and Douzo is his real name. One that is a girl and the other that is a boy. That whole scene was shot beautifully. The talk they had with each other wasn't wasted on needless words. It was pretty haunting.

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