Could you do it?


Could you eat your dead friends to survive? I think I could. Hopefully I'll never have to.

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I suppose the choice is doing that or dying. A very moving film - I have seen it several times, not only on DVD but on the big screen in London.

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Exactly.

If you're starving, you have to eat. Once you get over the mental hurdle of repulsion, it's just meat. Cow, chicken, pig or person...whatever the source, muscle is muscle.

I went four days without eating once. The hunger hits you here and there and it's very powerful. Also, you get a kind of brain fog that is like a hunger...a powerful, insistent, all-consuming drive to eat immediately (OR ELSE) kind of thing...way beyond the typical one or two days without eating. I can't explain it, but it's intense. If you've never gone an extended period without food, you cannot understand that kind of hunger. Don't kid yourself.

You get hungry enough, you'll eat whatever there is to eat.

I dislike this attitude of, "I'd just sit there and die. Yeah, there might be something I could do to save myself, but if nobody came along to save me, I'd just sit and die." Seems wimpy and kind of lazy. Also seems like such a waste, to throw your life away. It's a little heartless (almost cruel) to let yourself die when people love you.

The "If nobody saves me, I'll just sit there and die," line of thinking frustrates me. You have to TRY to help yourself, for Pete's sake.

While I'm certain it was difficult for them at first, I've no doubt that if I were starving, I'd eat some meat, no matter the source. It's not only a biological imperative, it's the right thing to do.

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I already have! mwahahahaha!

but seriously, yeh, i could.

LLS

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I'd even bring home some Eric Roberts in a doggie bag,after the rescue.

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I can say right now, where I sit, hell no, I couldn't! But that's me here and now, warm in my cubicle at work, full from lunch, and drinking a Diet Coke!

The majority of human beings are civilized. We no longer have to hunt for survival, if we don't choose to. Most of us are fortunate enough to dwell in a home with electricity and heat, and have every modern convenience, as well as the luxury of living within walking distance of a convenience store, restaurant or grocery store chock full of any food we could imagine, or, are fortunate enough to live in a country that provides food if we have none. We don't have to worry about eating our family or friends or even our pets if we are hungry. This is the result of many thousands of years of human evolution and development. Human flesh never became a regular part of our daily menu thankfully because, depending what part of the world you live in, there has always been a wide array of other food sources. However, in some cultures, the eating of human flesh was commonplace, and over time became a symbolic ritual than that of survival.

Now, lets say you've crashed in what may as well have been categorized as the Moon. Your life as you knew it just got knocked back to the caveman days. Fire was a luxury, if there were anything combustable to burn, and all you've got to eat are a few crumbs that survived the crash and a bunch of dead bodies. What do you do when the crumbs run out?

Wild animals have always eaten their own kind in extreme conditions. I remember reading a news article about some crazy old woman who had a house full of cats. She had passed away, and when the authorities found her some time later, they found the woman had been partially eaten by the cats, after they ran out of food. Her own pets ate her! Humans are no different. Despite what we may think, deep down, we're animals like everything else on this planet. Maybe not on the surface, but there's a primal side to us all.

Did they come to this decision lightly? By all accounts, no. They were a religious group, and only when they all agreed that God would find the greater sin would be to die than stay alive did they give in to their hunger. Some held off from eating the meat as long as they could. I believe one died of starvation after becoming too weak to go on, mere weeks before rescue. With the radio down, these guys had the unfortunate inconvenience of crashing about 15 years before cell phones and GPS were widely available to the average consumer. They could get radio stations on a tiny transistor radio rigged with a homemade antenna. I would imagine they might have been able to get a signal with a cell phone...maybe.

Could I eat my own family? No. I can say that right now, no I couldn't! That's probably why Nando told the others that his mom and sister were off limits, and why Javier Methol said the same of his wife Liliana. I believe only the Strauch cousins handled the cutting of meat for everyone, and were most likely the only ones who really "knew" who they were eating. Everyone on that plane knew each other in some way, except maybe the pilots. That being said, the only comfort I would get from eating the meat, aside from staving off hunger, is not knowing whose body it was from.

The part where I think I'd rather starve was when the meat supply started to get low, and they had to eat other internal parts of the bodies in order to "conserve" the supply. This being the kidneys, livers, and the hearts! In Nando's book, he revealed how eventually they moved on to things they couldn't stomach before, such as the lungs. And then, the worse yet..."splitting the skulls to get at the brains"! ARRGH!

Piers Paul Reads' book "Alive" expanded upon this a bit, to the extent that I was really bothered. Canessa apparently was the first one to slice the forehead of one corpse, and mash the skull in to get the brains. The brains were edible, as long as they weren't rotten. Thus, they could be used for "sauce" so pieces of the other meat could be added. Like SOUP! And with there being a lack of anything to use as a bowl, some of the survivors used the top halves of the skulls as a bowl. Wouldn't any of this seem a bit disturbing to you? At what point do you get USED to this? How could you go back to normal life after this?

They did this, in part, to help make it as palatable as possible, but also to break up the monotony. Rotted meat, it was said, had a distinct "cheese" flavor to it. They even ate the blood clots that formed in the heart because they craved salt.

OK...I can understand eating the meat to stay alive...but who said it had to TASTE GOOD or have flavor? I wasn't under the impression they savored it that much. At first, when the meat was cut into tiny pieces and dried on top of the plane, they tried not to chew it, as in, get pleasure from it, but to get it into their stomachs for their bodies to absorb and stay alive.

I don't blame them for doing what they had to do. I wasn't there. But I'm not so sure I could have waited as long as these guys did to find a way out. Being on that mountain at that height took a murderous toll on their bodies, so they had to get strong before they could even try. But if it comes down to me having to use somebody's head as an ice cream bucket to eat out of, let me at the mountain. I might only make it 5 feet, but at least I died trying!


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Nope...it's because nobody goes to post about this movie. Plus nobody takes the time to read anymore.


Living in the penthouse must be nice, but it's a shorter fall from the basement. -Florida Evans

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Well, that's your theory. Thanks for your insight. Putz.


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I read your entire post, and I found it very insightful. I agree with you that I don't think I could have moved onto the inner organs of the body, I would have tackled the mountain first. And you have a very valid point about the only comfort being that you don't know who the meat is coming from. I don't think I could have cut the meat and then eat it, like some of them did.
If it was my own family...I don't think I could do it. I think I would rather die than eat my family members (granted they were not a family, but close to it) or a pet. Furthermore, what if a child was involved? Could you feed a child bits of human flesh? Or, eat a child?

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You all I bet are the kind of girls that yell for somebody to turn the heat up when they`re cold, or cry when you scrape your knees...
Trust me, you have no idea what real pain is, and you WOULD eat human flesh to avoid that utter torturing pain.
This is the scenario holding a match to your finger humans have nerves and pull away.. When we`re starving we eat, emotions come second.. You all are not strong enough to keep the flame to your hands.

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I read every word you wrote and appreciate every word! Very informing! Thanks!

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Thanks for the kind remarks!

I didn't post that long shpeel in some effort to be a know-it-all. I wasn't there, and I don't think anybody could possibly know what it was like, or could appreciate the situation, unless you were actually there, sitting in that snow, waiting for help and not a soul knew you were alive.

Nando Parrado wrote in his book that the love for his father kept him alive, knowing his father was back home mourning him, his mother and sister. He had to get back to his father. What price do you put on that? Would you eat human flesh and freeze for weeks, climb mountains and hike towards what may have certainly been certain doom, to get back to your wife, husband, children...etc.



Living in the penthouse must be nice, but it's a shorter fall from the basement. -Florida Evans

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Yes. No question about it. The first thing I would do though is gather up all the condiments(if there were any). Ketchup,mustard,relish, mayo, etc.. and save them for last. When the time came to eat the meat, mix up the condiments and some snow for a rudimentary dipping sauce. To dip the meat in on the first go around, to make it go down easier.

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Better be sure to pack a ton of ketchup packets in your suitcase if you plan on flying over the Andes anytime soon.


Living in the penthouse must be nice, but it's a shorter fall from the basement. -Florida Evans

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Long post or not, it was a very interesting read! You pretty much spelled out what these guys went through... what their thought processes were but most importantly explained what a difficult decision it was for them... and I agree with everything you said. Nobody can say for sure what they would or would not, or could or could not, make themselves do in order to survive, until faced with that situation.

If any of the 16 who made it out had been asked beforehand, "Hypothetically, if in a survival situation where there was NOTHING to eat but human flesh, would you do it?" Five'll get ya ten that they all would have said, "Absolutely not." Yet in the end, all 16 did, and they lived to go home to their families.

Thank you for the time and effort you put into your post. This question is so much more than a "yes" or "no" answer. The human survival instinct is pretty strong. Theory and practice are often nothing alike. In theory we can say no, we would not. In practice, who knows what we might resort to in order to live?

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Let's face it- most of us don't really know what we'd do b/c we've never been faced with that tough choice. Until we are faced with that choice (hopefully never will be) it's all speculation as to what we'd probably do. I do know that I would exhaust every option before I ever considered it.

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You make some very good points Sargesmash! I really can't say I know what I would do...since I have never been and never plan to be in that type of situation. It is amazing what the human body can go through and what one is willing to go through to survive! I have only seen this movie once because it was so sad...though reading what you wrote makes me want to watch it again. If you don't mind...what is your profession? You wrote a very interesting reply and I am just curious. :)

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Thank you! I'm in Customer service. I guess I tried to picture myself in their shoes, and after carefully thinking it through, came to the conclusion that everything they did was exactly what they had to do in order to get out of there. The primeval side worked with their rational side. It's an interesting scenario.


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Well, they made a number of failed attemps to hike out, and then they'd have to rebuild their strength.

It's a miracle that they made that last hike. A total miracle. The guys who "found" them said they were like skeletons.

Nando has said that he guarantees that 100% of people would do what they did and I believe him. As much as I'd like to think I wouldn't, I know I would.

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Before Nando and Canessa left for the last walk, Nando told the guys that if necessary, they could eat his mom and sister. They didn't , but he gave his consent.

It is easier to eat tasty food, no? Think of eating the same thing for 72 days. No salt. No spices. Not even cooked, just dried in the sun in most cases. Cooked a couple times over a small fire. Eaten raw after the avalanche. They just passed the point where it didn't matter so much.

You could've charged off into the mountains and died for nothing. Give me the ice cream bucket! Anything to see my family again.




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I couldn't do it...but I don't feel that it was wrong that they did. You do what you have to do to survive. A very hard thing to do. I just couldn't.

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You`re not strong enough to resist starvation with food around. It seems lot`s of the women here say no, and feel they can stand up to the most intense pain ever... Wonder what their resume is, they must be Navy Seal qualified or something lol.

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Reading that long post made me a little peckish.

Anymore Eric Roberts?

Are you gonna finnish that?

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I could go for a bit of Eric Roberts right now.

Seriously though, I could eat the flesh of someone thats already dead if it meant the difference between life and death.

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Aah,come on,we've all done it!


And it DOES taste like chicken

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I once read a Jewish survivor of a Nazi shooting, she jumped before the Nazis shot her while they were shooting her family, she lived among the bodies playing dead, but when they started pouring loads of earth on them, her lungs started to explode so she said I`d rather get shot. Who wants to get shot? Nobody, who wants their lungs to explode even less!

And I think slow starvation and freezing is worse than all..

You wouldn`t want to, but when you are about to die, you`re animal instinct would take over and you WOULD eat human flesh. You`ve never felt that pain of dying, starvation, utter sickness.

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LOL, nice one. I would eat Julia Roberts instead.

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I'd eat their liver with some fava beans and a fine chianti.

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Human beings are animals. Humans eat animals. Once the body and mind is dead, it is an empty husk of palatable flesh. If you have no problem eating animals, you're a hypocrite if you've a problem eating human flesh. It may seem sick to the rediculous notions of man made ethics, but you are animals through and through. I'd rather eat non-human meat myself, but in that predicament, I'd have no problem whatsoever eating the dead. People who say they wouldn't do so are fooling themselves. When you starve for long enough, your body goes into feral mode, and you will eat whatever is edible near you, be it plant, animal, or human. This had been documented as fact. So please people, stop acting high and mighty and lying to yourselves and others. You're animals, get over it.

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Yeah, people is not the same as cows--seriously. While I think most people would resort to doing it, they would have a hard time dealing with it while doing it--at least at first. I'm pretty sure that a couple members of the Donner Party also refused to do it so some people just aren't capable of it. I don't know what I would do. Never been in that situation. Probably.

"You think you know, what you are, what's to come--You haven't even begun." BtVS

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I think nearly all modern day folk would do it, and most people who deny that they would do it only say so because they've never felt the pain of extreme hunger. If you were literally dying of starvation, I think eating another human being after they've already died is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. It's an unfortunate situation, but of course I would do it.

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This is an old post but to answer the OP's question. Of course I would. I have even joked about it with friends and we have talked about whose organs would be the most tasty.

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