1. In the opening credits it says "Part 1: The Vision". Having not seen RTLD during its original broadcast, what were the other three parts called?
2. Why was this DVD released in a different amaray case than the other three?
3. Since this was not written by Larry McMurtry, and is considered non-canon, why was it even made?
Al
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Amaray case is the DVD case it came in. Lonesome Dove, Streets of Laredo, and Dead Man's Walk come in the double-amaray case (where each disc gets its own side, and it's a rather thick case.). Return to Lonesome Dove came in a single-disc amaray case with a "page" inside to hold the other disc.
The actual Lonesome Dove box set is Dead Man's Walk, Lonesome Dove, and Streets of Laredo. Dead Man's Walk was the prequel with Jonny Lee Miller and David Arquette as Gus and Call.
I've never seen the two series, but I've seen the DVDs and was tempted to buy them.
Al
The four series movies for Lonesome Dove are: Dead man's Walk, Camanche Moon,
Lonesome Dove and Streets of Laredo. These four are chronologically correct.
I'm especially fond of Comanche Moon as the two lead characters are excellent
portrayals of Gus & Call in their earlier years, IMHO.
mcmurtry wrote like 4 or 5 books in a series, not just lonesome dove.
shareLarry Mcmurtry wrote Lonesome Dove, Streets of Laredo and Dead Man's Walk.
I have these novels also and have read them.
I didn't know he did not write Return To Lonesome Dove.
I also have the DVD box set with the 3 movies based on the Mcmurtry novels and the individual RTLD like AblyG has.
I purchased the 3 movie box set and watched them first, then purchase the RTLD and when I watched it I realized it takes place between Lonesome Dove and Streets of Laredo.
All 4 movies are excellent as well as the novels.
Perhaps the 3 movie box set was released that way because these are the movies that are based on the novels that Mcmurtry wrote.
The four series movies for Lonesome Dove are: Dead man's Walk, Camanche Moon,
Lonesome Dove and Streets of Laredo. These four are chronologically correct.
And I have seen Streets of Laredo and Newt was not in it, as I recall. At the end of Camanche Moon, however, he was a small boy. The next time we see Newt is at the beginning of Lonesome Dove; he is standing in a hole, digging a well!
Too, I think the best copies of Gus and Call are in Comanche Moon. Those two ARE Gus & Call in their younger years!
I agree. I have the dvd set of Commanche Moon and I like it alot. It also is in widescreen and 5.1 audio. I thought the two characters were right on.Would like to know if there is a dvd widescreen version of RTLD and Streets of Loredo.
shareActually, I don't remember there being titles to the other 3 parts, good question.
Get them both, they are equally excellent.
The story is that McMurtry hated RTLD so much that he wrote Streets of Laredo to be the TRUE sequal to Lonesome Dove. Anyone who has read/seen Streets of Laredo will recognize how alarmingly different it is from Lonesome Dove. It's almost like a completely different world. I've heard that McMurtry killed Newt off in the beginning of Streets of Laredo just because of his disgust for RTLD.
My real question about the Lonesome Dove DVD set is, why does the Streets of Laredo disc feature art from RTLD? On the disc cover and inside the box you see pictures of John Voight and Rick Schroeder as they were in RTLD. It is very strange.
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RSH--to whom are you addressing your diatribe?
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That's not much of a spoiler. I think they talk about it on the back of the book jacket.
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Spoiler, sort of,
that'd be hard since there's quite a bit of talk of the ranch being a complete failure and collapsing after 2 years.
I doubt McMurttry would kill off a character like Newt, just because of RTLD.
in streets of laredo the novel newt was bucked off his horse and died the horse that call gave him in lonesome dove i think he wasnt mentioned because of the lonesome tv series and that was syndicated so cbs proably didnt want to mention it
shareDon't take any of this as the absolute truth, but I have heard for years that L.M. did significantly change his sequel to Lonesome Dove as a direct reaction to his intense dislike of Return to Lonesome Dove. Assuming this is true, I can't really blame him, since in my opinion Return to Lonesome Dove was an absolute abomination, but I never liked the fact that Newt was given an "off-screen" death. But then again, it is L.M.'s story, so I guess he can do whatever he wants with it.
share I've heard that McMurtry killed Newt off in the beginning of Streets of Laredo just because of his disgust for RTLD.
McMurtry def killed off Newt on purpose when he wrote Streets of Laredo; that is what made me sick about the whole SOL movie, killing off a prominent character bc he was so pissed about RtLD. What a load of crap. Lonesome Dove was amazing, and I did love RtLD as well, Mcmurtry also hated the fact that Call finally came out and told Newt he was indeed his father, something that McMurtury didn't want to happen. But man c'mon killing Newt off was a mistake; also SoL - Lorena was so mean about Captain Call, he never did anything to her -guess spending all that time w/Clare she decided to hate him as well. Gus made his OWN choices, he did whatever the *beep* he wanted and nobody twisted his arm to go w/Captain Call; he chose that life - Hell even in LD -Clare admitted that when Gus asked her to marry him so many times and she turned him down that Gus even had a relieved look on his face (even though he did love her).. Can't blame Call for everything, Gus was his OWN man.
1. "The Return" and "The Legacy", IIRC.
2. Probably because "Return to Lonesome Dove" is not a canonical story written by McMurtry
3. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!!!
streets of laredo sucked compares to this and who cares if he didnt write it he was sitll involed with rtld, and this feels more likd a ld sequel than sol, i love rtld i can only mildy stand sol as a decent but nonbelievable ld story i hate the novel.
shareBy AlbyG (Fri Nov 12 2004 07:48:25)
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1. In the opening credits it says "Part 1: The Vision". Having not seen RTLD during its original broadcast, what were the other three parts called?
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Part 2: The Forge
Part 3: The Legacy
Part 4: The Passing
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1. The Vision, the Forge, the Legacy, The Passing
2. the copies I just bought (walmart has each film on 2 disc set for $10 or less each) all ahve the same case style, and Only Commanche Moon has a different cover art style
3. CBS/Hallmark liked the amazing ratings that LD provided when it came out, so they were very excited to make a sequel...
-- McMurtry had written LD 4 years before the Movie, based on an Idea he'd had some 10 years before that but they wanted the Sequel ready for TV in 2-3 years
-- supposedly it was pitched as a Screenplay to John Wayne, Henry Fonda and Jimmy Stewart, (as Call, Spoon and Gus)
-- Part of the Film Rights was that they had temporary free range of teh character, and they moved ahead and had someone else write them Return to Lonesome Dove
-- McMurtry being less than enthused with the pressure of writing a new tale on a deadline, and then angry about having his character 'hijacked' took it out on many of his characters in the SoL Novel by killing them off
-- the Films appear to 'gloss over' any discontinuity/non-canon status (I've 'power disced' from Deadman's Walk to Episode 1 of SoL, so far) and I see more problems justifying the timelines of LD and Commanche Moon, than any character fates of RtLD and SoL
-- based on what I've seen on the boards here, many people are happy to consider RtLD 'Fanon' (some prefer it to Canon SoL) even if it is not approved of by saga 'god' Larry McMurtry ... and the 20 year post LD setting of SoL leaves a lot of room in fans' minds, that even if Newt et al are dead during SoL it could have happened well after the events of RtLD and the Tv Show