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Homicide Munch vs. Law + Order SVU Munch


I was a big fan of Homicide during its run, and still thinks it ranks as one of the best broadcast network dramas of all time.

Recently, my wife has been on a Law & Order:SVU bent....our DVR literally has dozens of those things in the queue right now.

Occassionaly, I'll happen in on some of the episodes and I have to say it really pales in comparision to Homicide.....lots of overacting, bad acting, implausible overly dramatic storylines, bad writing, etc.

Which is a shame, because after Homicide ended and Richard Belzer announced he was taking the Munch role to SVU, I had some hope for it. But sadly, whatever effort Belzer is able to put into his beloved character is futile against the inferior writing and directing that he is given on SVU.

First of all, the Munch character is rarely front and center. He's essentially window dressing to the Meloni and Hargatay characters, and is overshadowed by the Ice T characters as well. Out of dozens of SVU episodes that I've sampled, very few have Munch front and center.

But even worse, all the soul and persona and character that Munch had in Homicide is conspiciously absent in SVU. Yes, sometimes the SVU writers will attempt to replicate Homicide Munch's sarcasm or acerbic wit, but more often he'll just sound like the rest of the cast, going off on some obviously scripted preachy monologue.

It's not to knock Richard Belzer's acting ability, which is fine. But it does go to show the superior skills behind the Homicide teams that made Munch such an interesting character on that show when he remains bland, generic and underutilized on others.

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I don't see it that way, in the earlier episodes of SVU he was in the spotlight a lot more, and he's always his usual fully opinionated pain in the ass self. Of course something to consider is that they kind of rewrote Munch's history, in Homicide he grew up in Baltimore, in SVU he grew up in New York, I don't get that, but okay...but I think about him and the little girl in Legacy, and I think about him in Night of the Dead Living when it's revealed he's the mystery person who lights the candle every night, and when asked why he explains it's for all the homicide victims, and the same person is still there.

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I agree. I haven't seen all of SVU, as I have seen all seven seasons of Homicide, but on the dozen or so of the episodes I have seen of SVU, Munch doesn't seem to have very much to do. He's more or less wasted on that show.

And there could be several different reasons for that. He could be the prestige alibi. The SVU team could consider Homicide something of a gold standard, hoping that Belzers name would bring some of that prestige to the show. If the makers were somehow disappointed in Belzers involvement, they could keep him on the payroll, but not give him much to do. Belzer perhaps doesn't care, and sees that job as an easy paycheck. I mean, he doens't do much, does he.

I think it's a great waste of space and talent not using that character more. They should sack him or give him more to do, because I am simply ashamed over his underutilization on that show.

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WORD. The man is a shell of his former self. His retroactive continuity is heavily flawed, and even in the few and far between episodes nowadays that he has, he's something of a whipping boy/ someone to be undermined or not taken seriously. It's almost as though he's just named John Munch in character only and nothing else matters. If SVU is trying to break some sort of record or think that that's some kind of accomplishment, they have another thing coming. I hope that's not the case because in order to break a REAL record as far as character length, such as Victor Newman or Ken Barlow, than Belz's going to have to live well into his 100s...and I don't see that happening. I also see that as difficult as the writing was on Homicide, it still worked overall for a good number of seasons (season seven notwithstanding, of course) while the writing on SVU has always been consistently lazy, and getting worse every year.

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The man is a shell of his former self. His retroactive continuity is heavily flawed, and even in the few and far between episodes nowadays that he has, he's something of a whipping boy/ someone to be undermined or not taken seriously.

So you're saying... he IS Montel Williams now? That's depressing.

HAIL SAGAN

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To MrBook:

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I can't say this with certainty, but I seem to recall an article stating that Richard Belzer wanted to take more of a backseat on the show. He did not want to leave entirely, but wanted a lesser role.

I once tried a dessert called "Death By Chocolate", but it only made me stronger.

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Munch was arguably the most complex character on Homicide.

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