Why didnt he help Ron more?


Ahoy all,

Ive been seeing a few old episodes on freeview recently....not sure which series, but its when Gary is basically totally rich in the 90s yet Ron has next to nothing, or just an insanely money hungry girlfriend called Flick(!?).

I remember Ron helped him not only hide all his secrets but also produce money and documents etc for when he went to the 40s.

He also seems to be garys only free, except for Reg...who seems half braindead).

So why didnt he help him out more, even if it was just financially...all he never seemed to use Ron for was to complain about his latest problem, or gloat about how good life was for him, only to vanish off to the 40s leaving Ron to explain where he is.

Does anyone else think Ron got a bit of a raw deal considering all the help he gave him...not to mention gary leaving him to explain the whole situation in the last episode.

If I was Ron I'd be pretty pissed at him.

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"Ahoy all,

Ive been seeing a few old episodes on freeview recently....not sure which series, but its when Gary is basically totally rich in the 90s yet Ron has next to nothing, or just an insanely money hungry girlfriend called Flick(!?).

I remember Ron helped him not only hide all his secrets but also produce money and documents etc for when he went to the 40s.

He also seems to be garys only free, except for Reg...who seems half braindead).

So why didnt he help him out more, even if it was just financially...all he never seemed to use Ron for was to complain about his latest problem, or gloat about how good life was for him, only to vanish off to the 40s leaving Ron to explain where he is.

Does anyone else think Ron got a bit of a raw deal considering all the help he gave him...not to mention gary leaving him to explain the whole situation in the last episode.

If I was Ron I'd be pretty pissed at him."


What you mean apart from letting him live rent free in a very expensive penthouse flat.

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So for all of the things Ive mentioned Gary lets him live in a flat? ie he lives there but doesnt own it meaning he could be thrown out at any time, and gets no profit at all from living there bar saving money from rent.

Not very good considering because of Gary he also lost his job and got a criminal record.

The bottom line is he was a really poor friend...and dodgy husband :-)

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I agree with the original post, he should've done a lot more for Ron. Investing in some big businesses that were established in the forties, or simply buying up land in London on his behalf.

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Having said all that I recently saw the episode when gary thinks he has 4 hours left before the portal is closed, in his haste he gives away all his shops stock to Ron. (mainly because he just so happened to be there at the time)

Maybe Gary just became self obsessed because of all his 'power'.

It did seem a bit of a grim way to end the series tho, leaving him to give his wife the most disturbing...and unbelievable information she'd ever hear.

...maybe if they did a spin off show with Ron...

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"I agree with the original post, he should've done a lot more for Ron. Investing in some big businesses that were established in the forties, or simply buying up land in London on his behalf. "


They did try this. But because of a split between the brothers who ran the bussines, the shares ended up in the wrong company and were worth nothing.

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Ah yes, I vaguely recall that now...but then in reality they could've just tried again with another business until they were successful.

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Yes true. But I still think he helped Ron more than the OP gives him credit for, by letting him stay rent free in a mayfair apartment. This apartment in present day could very easily have demanded a rent in the region of a million a year.

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He should have given him the flat, then he'd have a piece of property worth A LOT of money, rather than simply a very expensive cardboard box...how long before Gary's pissed off wife decides to kick him out?

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I don't think his wife could do anything about it. If she tried to claim that it was owned by her husband. She end up getting locked up in an asylum.

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When did he buy it? due to Gary being trapped in the past depending on what happens from that point on he might not even own the flat any more.

Then theres his parenting skills......

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Gary bought it in 1941. We know he still owns it, that much is stated in the program. If she tried to make a claim, the she would either be taken as a con artist, or a loony.

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Well, Gary wasn't rich in the 90s. That was all Yvonne's money.

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You miss my point. She can't claim that her husband is the owner, when the deeds were signed over 20 years before he was born.

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Well, Gary wasn't rich in the 90s. That was all Yvonne's money.


Just what I was going to say. It was all yvonne's money. Whilst Gary used it to live on because they were married and "what's mine is yours" blah blah blah, I doubt she'd have been very happy if Gary had given Ron loads of her money for invariably dodgy schemes. Besides whilst they did try a few schemes to invest small amounts of money in 1940's companies (and Ron selling stuff to "Brick Beckham") they all went belly up so they probably decided it wasn't worth it. Anyway I don't think Ron is the knid of guy to accept loads of money as "free" charity.

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Yovonee gave Ron a £5,000 cheque in one episode, and he was straight off to some expensive restaurant with Flick to start blowing it.

A fool and his money.

Gary isn't the best friend to Ron, but to some extent his truly unusual circumstances he got carried away with things earlier on and later on he was married to both and had a son..... no wonder he was busy.
There were ways they could have made a fotune but Gary always worried about changing the time loops etc.

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He charged Ron rent for that apartment. In the last episode he demands rent and don’t forget Ron used to give Gary “wages” for pretending he worked for him so he could lie to Yvonne about his wareabouts. That meant Ron gave gary money for nothing. But when Ron asks him for some in the future, Gary won’t even give Ron £10.00 whereas Ron gave gary hundreds of pounds. Because of gary, Ron lost his business, his wife, his home, got a criminal record, all because he was protecting Gary and lying for him all the time. And to make it worse, Gary and Yvonne make fun of Ron all the time for being single, homeless, penniless when in fact it’s gary fault he is these things. Before Ron met gary he was a successful business man happily married. After being Gary’s mate, he loses everything. Watch the episode when Ron gets drunk and starts blaming Gary which he’s completely right. And does gary say sorry??? Of course not, he calls Ron drunk and still demands his forged money from Ron. Gary’s a waste of space and the best thing Ron could have done, is left gary fend for himself. Ron’s a much more attractive guy that Gary and way more interesting. Gary’s a boring miserable lying loser. I’d choose Ron over gary any day. He just needed to lose a bit of weight at the end and get back in shape. Like Stella says Ron used to run every day so it’s gary that ruined Ron’s life.

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I agree with the OP. Gary never did do much for Ron. Didn't Ron say that in one of the episodes? "Is this all our friendship is about? Me lying and covering up for you?" And Gary replies, "Yes!" Ron answers, "All right. Just so we have that clear."

But I think that's one of the main points of the show. Gary is a cad! He treats his friends (Ron and Reg) like tools, and his women worse. But we love him anyway (at least I do), because he is so sweet and funny and deep down is pained with the situation that he finds he's created.

And really, if you remember from the first epidsodes of the 2nd season, it's Ron who kept encouraging Gary to go back and shtoop Phoebe in the first place, first to get money and then to resolve Gary's ED issues. I think Ron's reward for helping Gary was the vicarious life he lived through the latter's adventures. He seemed to treat Gary's life as an interesting on-going adventure story, and was (most of the time) eager to hear about the latest details.

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Probably cos hes a 100% selfish P***K!!!

He wouldnt have anything if it werent for Ron, cos he prints all his money for him & keeps his secrets, alibis etc hence why Ron ends up with no marriage, no business, no home etc & whats worse Gary always takes the p**s out of ron calling him boring etc, refusing to listen to his problems, insulting him, saying hes useless with women etc all the time etc when in fact when gary met Ron, ron had a successful business, a marriage, a home, everything & id date Ron over Gary any day. Hes funny, nice looking (before he piled on weight) and he seems a great mate, where as Gary is a useless P***k who lies to everybody & i cant even believe a guy like that would get 2 women anyway seeing as he has absolutely nothing but a tissue of lies & crap behind him. Going to an interview in jeans!!!! Oh come on & then has a go at Yvonne cos she didnt tell him he didnt get the job. If i were her Id say 'Well what you expect you *beep* you showed no interest, you just cant be bothered can you' I would have supported him in his shop idea though i guess, if thats what he wanted to do, at least he showed an aptitude for that but again its only cos he was leading a double life so it wasn't in order to make a living, it was to keep seeing phoebe. And the whole *beep* about 'Im not leaving London' at all when she gets a good job elsewhere - I would have realised he was cheating right at the start. What guy turns down a trip to california etc to stay behind in london!! Its all so he can see Phoebe, she is the only thing hes interested in so he should have done Yvonne a favour & left her, then she could have found a decent guy, not a p***k!! Phoebe should have dumped him for the American pilot she meets when she goes to Buckinghamshire (Harry i think his name is) he seems genuinely interested in her & hes good with kids. When gary does that waiter act to the little girl I always think 'Sigh your ridiculous for gods sake, what a pathetic attempt, just be normal' when gary acts like a normal human being hes not so bad but geez what a p***k when he wants to be.

Gary's not interested in anything but himself - watch the episode where Gary goes to France as a spy or what ever & he & ron are discussing life. Ron wants to discuss his divorce, the fact he has bailiffs taking all his stuff etc and once again Gary doesnt give a s**t!!

I think the conversation goes
Gary: 'Ok if you allow me to talk about the France experience again Ill listen to your problems, its only fair' then very quietly under his breath 'if i must'

So Ron starts to talk about his problems and then all of a sudden Gary stands up & leaves.

100% selfish B*****d who uses ron sooooooooo badly & then discards him like a piece of crap.

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Yeah Gary was a horrible friend and a selfish person in general, Ron was a nice bloke and he should have cut ties with Gary or at least asked for payment for his services (printing money, lying to Yvonne, all the alibis), Ron should have blackmailed him tbh - Gary deserved it, he never treated anybody with respect he was always out for himself and threw other people's feelings under the bus.

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lol at the posts of Gary (Including the hate Gary thread), a fictional character and something which is impossible in real life. (Well according to the Scientists)

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