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Meeting Sherry.....

posted 4 years ago by Rolltide (964)
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It is episode 10 of season 4. Titled "Dad loves Sherry the boys just whine".

Martin's attractive young policewoman girl friend dumps him because they have little in common and instead of being heart broken Martin is ecstatic. He has been wanting to go out with a woman who works at the cop bar he frequents(McGinty's) named Sherry.

The subject of this thread is when Martin brings Sherry to the apartment to meet Niles and Frasier for the first time. In a matter of 30 seconds they hate her. It is not that she rubs them the wrong way or is not a wine connoisseur or just not their type. They hate her!

When you examine how Sherry acts in the first few episodes that she becomes a regular she is actually very nice. She tells them they are handsome and she cheerfully greets them with a hug and a peck on the cheek. Yeah she is loud and they may not find her humor funny but she is not mean spirited at all.

Their reaction to her in such a short time is so extreme. I get that it is a sitcom and they want to make that antagonism clear but do they go too far and is the way they react to Sherry make you like Niles and Frasier less for a while?

[–] Rolltide (964) 4 years ago

The way Niles and Frasier act towards Sherry it is as if they knew she had once been a prolific whore with a drug addiction and had murdered a previous husband.

Later in that same episode Martin and Sherry join the boys for coffee at Nervosa. Sherry is sitting in between Martin and Frasier and Frasier acts like she smells like poop. He is literally being grossed out by her. Very rude.

[–] rudeboymurray (3241) 4 years ago

I agree that it's pitched over the top but I am very fond of that episode. Marsha Mason did a great job in the role, managing to make Sherry both warm and agreeable, but also showing us the brassy, overbearing side which so gets up the Crane boys' noses.

[–] exithereplease (3553) 4 years ago

This is a classic episode. And a very good one.

Your trying to hard.

Plain and simple, the two lead characters in the sitcom are absolute pricks.

They were born in the wrong decade and live in the wrong city for high society.

I loved Marsha Mason in the role and she was definitely better for Martin than Ronee.

[–] Rolltide (964) 4 years ago

This is my favorite show of alltime and I have seen every episode. There are 3 reactions, responses to people that I find extreme and over the top.

1. The way the boys react to Sherry.

2. The way everybody except Niles hates Mel.

3. The way Martin the tough former cop is totally scared shitless of Lilith even though she never does anything to him.

Remember how Daphne complimented Sherry on her perfume? Dahne liked the scent! Then Sherry commenting on how inexpensive the perfume is said you can buy enough to drown yourself for just $100. Niles said "I have $60". That is incredibly over the top!

[–] exithereplease (3553) 4 years ago

The way everybody except Niles hates Mel.

...I hated the Mel storyline and it was an important arch for the series.

I believe this was around the time NBC picked "Frasier" [in it's sixth season] to take over the post Seinfeld/Cheers arch of the famed "Must See TV" 'era.

The ratings took a nose dive...thanks to a "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" crazy craziness on ABC and a year or two later "CSI" on CBS.

Both networks attacked the lineup like rabid blood thirsty dogs.

..And successfully so!

Frasier was still a big hit...peaking at #3 that year.

But by then the studio audience (after Grammer rolled his Viper in 95 and checked into rehab) were dust and it became a laugh track show.

Gone was the same set on CHEERS complete with a live studio audience on the Paramount lot.

You can actually hear the difference.

Go visit season 1? And then season 8.

And then there was the GREAT David Angell.

Co-creator/writer and producer whose flight sadly headed directly into the twin towers on 9/11.

https://variety.com/2011/voices/opinion/a-911-remembrance-for-frasiers-david-angell-3492/

[–] Rolltide (964) 4 years ago

Some good information there, thank you.

Honestly I do not notice a change in quality from season one through season 11. The episodes with Felicity Huffman as Julia Wilcox are among my favorites and they are late season 10 and the first 2 episodes in season 11. Perhaps the funniest moment in the show's history is when Frasier kicks her out for making fun of his hand towel.

I recently watched the three gay episodes as some call them. They occur in season 2(The matchmaker). Season 7(Out with dad) and season 11(The doctor is out). I think they are all funny.

Season 8 is my least favorite because of the way Dahne treated Donny and the way Niles treated Mel. Also it took some mental adjustment to see them as a couple when they had no real friendship prior to that. In seasons 1-7 Niles and Dahne only have superficial conversations with Frasier and Martin there. Now they are smooching and pledging their love for each other. It seemed awkward. Also Daphne's physical changes because Jane Leeves was pregnant.

In short i love the show from beginning to end but of course I favor some episodes over others.

[–] Rolltide (964) 4 years ago

Remember in late season 4 when they are all in Nervosa and Sherry asked Niles what was that on his cheek? "My lips" she said and then gave him a kiss on the cheek.

Niles acted as of he just took a bite out of a shit sandwich. She is being nice and having a bit of fun and Niles makes it obvious he finds her repugnant and disgusting for no reason.

This is so over the top and any person of normal intelligence is intuitive enough to read how he feels.

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[–] Hans-Wilhelm (1320) 4 years ago

I hated Sherry too.

[–] Rolltide (964) 3 years ago

Why?

[–] Rolltide (964) 3 years ago

You know the show takes little time revealing how Frasier and Niles are in their attitudes towards ordinary people. In just the 3rd episode of season one they go out to eat and end up at a place their dad picked out called the Timber mill.

Niles and Frasier never stop making smart and insulting comments about the place that can't help reflect onto their dad. Martin ends up leaving in disgust.

[–] Hans-Wilhelm (1320) 3 years ago

Her personality grated on me.
She ruined 3 or 4 of Frasier's dates with her big mouth saying things she shouldn't have, driving the women away and she fixed Daphne up without her consent and acted unrepentant about it.
I couldn't stand her.

[–] Rolltide (964) 3 years ago

Frasier and Niles instantly hated Sherry before she did anything to either one of them. She helped to ruin some of his dates but that is the episode in which he actually helped to bring her and Martin back together after a break up.

Think outside the box for once you only think the way the show wanted you to.