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Question about the historical truth of 'Queen'


I'm sure most of you are all aware of the plagiarmism charges and accusations of creating fiction brought against Alex Haley for his "Roots" book and miniseries. So that brings me to wonder if "Queen" is mostly fact or fiction. I haven't heard or read any claims, but maybe some of you have heard or read something about how much of it is factual and how much of it was Haley's own fabrication? Queen is still a great work regardless.




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It's a blend but the balance seems to be fiction (which is how the book was marketed). I doubt the real Queen had that many adventures, and she's portrayed completely differently in ROOTS: THE NEXT GENERATIONS. In R:tnG she and her husband are much lower down the socioeconomic chain and she's a pipe smoking granny/country woman married to a man who disdains education.

Unlike most of the characters from ROOTS Alex Haley actually knew Queen very well. She lived to be very old, lived with her son (Alex's father) after her husband died, and Alex was married with kids of his own when she died. Haley also said he downplayed her mental illness/conflated it with her biracial identity. He also said casting the miniseries would be a huge problem because tantamount was that Queen could pass for white, and most biracial actresses look biracial.

The Jackson family of Alabama does acknowledge Haley's ancestry. (There were actually many children in the family, not just the one daughter from the miniseries.) When Haley died he had begun researching a sequel to ROOTS that took him to Ireland through the Jackson family; he said that his {white} relatives in Alabama and Tennessee and Michigan were a bit hesitant to publicly admit his relationship, but that in pubs in Ireland anybody named Jackson was eager to introduce him as "me cousin the famous American writer!"

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This whole agruement about fact vs fiction or memor vs fiction is getting out of hand.

There is NO WAY an author nor a "regular" person can remember every conversation they may have had verbatum. Most people don't recall "words" themselves, they recall events.

Of course there will always be a little "fiction" in every story recouted. We do it in "real" life and writers do it in their works as well.

Are we to discount everything by holding up an unrealistis mirror that none of us would pass if we were asked to do the same?

Also, how could Mr Haley be able to recount a conversation that went on well before he was born? He was reaccounting the "event" itself NOT the "conversation".

Its the "story" that matters not the nit picky things.

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I agree with Tellaarm simply because Alex was given a handful of information throughout his youth. Alex has called his works "faction" because they blend both fact and fiction. What kind of nonfiction work of substance could he have possibly written with the tiny bit of information that had been shared with him? I feel that he had author's license to add whatever he needed in order to produce a work that people would actually be interested in reading.

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There are certainly strong elements of truth to the story. Whether or not every line is true cannot be documented.
With that said, I can assure the first poster that the people in "Queen" did exist and in many ways, the Jackson family and their descendants helped form northwestern Alabama.
I've walked among the ruins of the Forks Of Cypress mansion in Florence, Alabama, my hometown. I've visited the official Jackson family cemetery located in a copse of trees on a dirt trail across a street from the Forks ruins, and I've read the family tombstones.
I also located the unmarked graves of the family slaves, which was soon made consecrated land by the African American members of the community.

The bed which Dr. Jackson is said to have shared with both his wife and Queen's mother, Easter, can be seen at the nearby restored plantation of Belle Mont in Tuscumbia, Alabama.

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I remember coming across this book in the biography section of the library about Alex Haley which contained pictures of his grandparents, including George and Irene Murray, with Alec and Queen Jackson Haley. According to this book, there was no mutual relationship between James Jackson III and Easter, who, rather than make love to her, raped her. Easter gave birth to Queen in the 1860's, not the 1840's, so Queen was a still a toddler when she was emancipated. More importantly, though Queen was half-white, she was mostly black, too black to pass for white, so none of the "tragic mullato" stereotypes in the miniseries ever occurred. The photograph of Alec Haley, on the other hand, showed that, as he was sired by an overseer, he had more white in him than his character was portrayed in the miniseries.

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Really? What was the name of the book?

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It was either "Alex Haley" by David Shirley (1994) or "Alex Haley: Author of Roots" by Doreen Gonzales (1994). But I do know it had a green hardcover.

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It's [Alex Haley author of roots] by Doreen Gonzales. I have the book.

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As far as the "plagiarism" claims, I have read the book "Jubillee", whose author made the claim, long before I read Roots. There are no unique ideas or verbatim language in Roots that were lifted from Jubillee (good book by the way). since my grandfather was born in 1882, we heard many stories that he knew (and experienced although post slavery) and so I've always had an interest and studied this time period. While many people were surprised and shocked at the brutality of Roots, Roots was just one man 's story that played out similar to many other slaves. So of course anyone telling a story from this time period would have beatings, whippings, lynchings, castrations, maimings, rapes, rapes producing mixed children, and children being sold away from their parents. I'm not making light of the subject. I'm just saying it was common so any books written covering the time period and slavery will have similar situations.

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One thing I thought was interesting is after the brutal violence of Roots this was the opposite. The family didn't hit their slaves (mentioned in the scene where Lizzie slapped Easter)and for a slave family was actually kind. Of course slavery is evil but if this was my fate I'd rather prefer a family like them. However, we are only seeing the novel and movie version and the real might be worse. I do have a hard time believing James loved Easter because that rarely helped but who knows.

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My personal belief is that type of love is even more cruel. Of course, I'm speculating from the stories I've read of Sally Hemmings and another biographical book about a creole family of New Orleans (I can't recall the title but it was one of Oprah's book club picks).

But to love your oppressor, even if he is kind, is something that seems so - Nevermind. I can't even find the words for just how WRONG that would be for me.

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Do you mean Feast of all Saints by Anne Rice? they dealt with this issue as well. It's possible it was like it was portrayed and they loved each other. If so then yes it was sad because they couldn't be together. This happened often years ago where people arranged who their kids would marry instead of who they wanted to.

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No, I've seen Feast... Also there's a movie with Vanessa Williams. But, no. The book about the creole family has never been made into a movie as yet, to my knowledge. Besides, it was written by a granddaughter of the family and for entertainment purposes, would be pretty boring. But from a historical, family narrative perspective, it was interesting. All of the white men in this society had women of one quarter African ancestry. This particular family, the father was "forced" to wed a white woman by his family. At least, that was the view of the author as I'm sure that's what he told his concubine and how it was presented to the children. The jaded part of that is MY viewpoint because the author and her family believed it. It may be true, but I just never take men at their word when it comes to adulterous affairs. Of course, they lie. It's the only way to pull it off and have some semblance of peace in the cheating half of the relationship.

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Cane River by Lalita Tademy. If that's not the book that you're referring to then you're description sounds very similar.





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