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Back To The Future part 2 Rip-OFF


Did you see the ending?? Didn't you think it stole the idea from the end of BTTF part two...when Marty gets a letter from Western Union telling him its been in there posetion for (how ever many of years) ??

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I wouldn't go so far as to call it a rip-off. I see the whole film as an homage to genre films. It's all in good fun, daddy o. If one is going to make a film full of send ups and tongue in cheek parodies of older films and make it a time travel film as well, how better to end it than to "borrow" the ending of one of the great time travel films of our time. Besides, the whole Back To the Future series is reminiscent of episodes of, say, the Twilight Zone, where a protagonist will somehow go back and time and find his own future/present changed only to have the kicker ending where he turns out to be his own grandfather or somesuch.
All in good fun, mate.

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I think the whole thing with the cab driving down the road into a portal is sort of a nod in that direction too. The whole "Time Traveling Car", to show that weren't trying to be sneaky about it.

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I want to apologize. I wrote this post 10 years ago today. I just re-watched the movie... wtf was I thinking? Of course this was paying homage to Back to the Future. Why did I not see that? They even list in the credits "Godzilla as himself". They weren't taken themselves THAT seriously.

Matsugawa J... you were always right. Sorry for not seeing it 10 years ago when I was kid. I was a dickhead.


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What about Timeline? What about Bobby Loves Mangoes?
That whole idea of finding a letter from the past written by someone known in the present (or future) talking about events in the present (er...future, future from the present perspective...past participle... man this stuff really gets complicated).

Anyway, I think you're on a fishing expedition. Hate to burst your bubble, but that old boot is not a kipper...it's a boot. It was a boot when it was sewn from the scrap leather made from the cow (which was not a kipper by any leap of a self-deluded imagination), it was a boot when it got chucked in the drink, it was a boot when you fished it out, and it was still a boot when you glued fish-scales to it and started telling everyone it was a kipper.

There's a big difference between a rip-off, and a similar idea. If the guy who gave her the letter was from Western Union and even went so far as to tell her he lost the bet on whether or not she would be around to receive the letter, then it would be a rip-off.

Remember: A Boot! Not a kipper! A Boot!

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No... it was a rip-off

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Listen, boot-catcher-kipper-caller (May I call you boot-catcher-kipper-caller? Doesn't matter; I'm going to anyway), maybe you should really really think about what 'rip-off' means, especially when you consider that Waxwork II featured a compass as a means of travel between events, whereas Back to the Future part II utilized an American-conceived, Italian-styled, French-engined, and British-funded gullwinged sportscar. It hardly needs pointing out the plethora of differences between a DMC-12 and an antiquated metaphysical orienteering device, but perhaps you've been spending too much time adhering fish-skins to footwear to do even the most elementary research into automotive engineering as it pertains to fictional navigational instruments.

Sending messages through time is hardly a complicated notion; time capsules send messages from the past into the future, but you don't see Robert Zemeckis bringing legal action against the Smithsonian. Furthermore, Waxwork II wasn't really a time-travel movie per se; Those were not exact periods in history, but rather romanticized vignettes in "God's Nintendo Game" as the raven-guised Patrick MacNee put it.

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Listen buddy. Do you know what a rip-off is? It's an act or instance of ripping off another through copy or imitation.

He ended the movie JUST like BTTF part 2 did years before. THE SAME WAY... doesn't matter what kind of time traveling device they use or what the plot is... he had a guy deliver a letter that they had in there possession for however many years knowing another would be waiting for it.

This movie stole the idea... whether it was paying homage to it or not.

I would be surprised if Robert Zemeckis has even HEARD of this movie let alone tried to sue it.

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Quote: "Listen buddy. Do you know what a rip-off is? It's an act or instance of ripping off another through copy or imitation."
Couple of points...
Point One: I'm not your buddy.
Point Two: What kind of dictionary do you use? Don't you know you shouldn't use the phrase itself in its own definition? And are you using "rip-off" as a noun or verb? Better question, do you even know what a dictionary is? I know boot-fishing takes up quite a bit of time, but if your only supplement to that activity is watching Back to the Future II instead of getting a proper education, maybe you should take stock of your life up until this point... or at least buy a dictionary.

Anyway, two words: TIME CAPSULE. Receiving a letter from the past is hardly a notion exclusive to the cinematic works of Robert Zemeckis (I mean, where do you think HE got the idea?). Don't you know that solicitors can manage a will in such a way that the existence of the document itself can be kept unknown to its concerning party until certain conditions are met.

Lastly, according to the Back to the Future Part 2 producers, they never even found out if Western Union would ever do such a thing as keep a letter for a set number of years, even in 1885.

And as long as we're talking about originality, if you really want a story about someone in the present receiving a message from the past, perhaps you should familiarize yourself with "The Shadow Out of Time" by H.P.Lovecraft, who wrote about transchronic communications at least 50 years before Marty McFly ever opened a letter from Western Union.

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While you where going on your gay rant about grammar and fashion design… you missed the entire point again.

Take your very well educated brain and look at the big picture.

Wax work II - A movie involving time travel ENDED with a man giving a letter from the past to the main character.

BTTF II – A movie involving time travel ENDED with a man giving a letter from the past to the main character.

Both having the delivery person show up at the appropriate time & having similar dialoged.

Sounds to me that the ending of Wax work II was a form of imitation…. a rip-off buddy.


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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Rip-Off

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Were YOU paying attention at all?
Before we get to the big picture, perhaps you'd best look at your watch; It is a matter of falling action.
Marty receiving the letter was not the end of the film, there was a whole additional scene of falling action following the climax. Just in case you forgot, Back to the Future Part II is part of a three-film series with overlapping events and re-capped the climax of the first film at the end of the second film. No such re-cap was performed in Waxwork II (save at the beginning), which, to go off on a slight tangent, is not even really a time-travel story; All locations are meant to be romanticized interdimensional vignettes, and in no way historically accurate or even remotely representative of actual historical periods.

Now for the big picture. Picture if you will: A man sees an engraving in his own handwriting written by himself whilst inhabiting a creature's body on pre-cambrian earth. That was in "The Shadow Out of Time" by Lovecraft. It was written back in the thirties in the pulp magazine Astounding. So, if we're going to look at the big picture, we have to look at Back to the Future Part II in terms of its own originality: Who's to say they didn't rip off Lovecraft! It's not a terribly original idea, so rip-off is pedantic, if not completely misplaced. After all, how can you rip-off something that may well be a rip-off itself? If you steal from a thief, are you only doing injustice to the thief? Better question, is the thief then made innocent by the transgression?

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Matsugawa,

I see you like to set aside special time to humiliate yourself on the internet. I said it was the END of the film.... not the last scene. It was within the last 5 minutes of actually film time. That would be classified as the END of the film. You wouldn't refer to it as the beginning or middle... it was within the last FIVE MINUTES... it's considered the end of the movie.

BTTF part two didn't rip-off Lovecraft because Lovecraft didn't have an individual appear in some type of transportation... handing a letter from the past to the main character... in the same fashion of BTTF part 2 AND Waxwork 2 (and extremely similar dialogue).

How many times must I say it until it gets through your narrow-minded brain?

I understand what you are trying to say, even though you obviously don't. I'm finished talking with you because it goes no where. You're a hamster operating his wheel and I'm sick of watching... Your head would be better put to use as a paperweight.

You have become a bore, and a very dull one at that...

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A dull bore? You mean there are interesting bores? If that is the case, how can something be simultaneously boring and interesting?

"an individual appear in some type of transportation...in the same fashion of BTTF part 2 AND Waxwork 2..." the delivery man in Waxwork 2 walked up to Sarah on his own two feet. Granted, walking is a form of transportation, but if we're going to compare cars to feet, then maybe you should review the guidelines by which you cry, "rip-off." Would Deloreans make good taxi-cabs?
Was Marty McFly exiting a courthouse surrounded by members of the press when he received Doc's letter? Was the courier a jovial and kindly old man who found nothing strange at all about the transaction? Was it a bright and sunny day?

"extremely similar dialogue?" He said he was from the "oldest delivery company in the world." Does that sound like Western Union? Did he mention a bet among his co-workers about whether or not the recipient would be there at the appointed place and time specified in the delivery instructions? "what are you going to do now, Sarah?" doesn't sound anything like "Kid! What does this mean?" and "I'm going back!" could hardly be mistaken for "the Doc's alive!"

If you didn't want to hear a disagreement with your statement, then you should not have posted in the first place. If you eat kippers, expect bones. But, if you are growing dissatisfied with the dialogue you've opened (if you ever intended to open a dialogue by posting), perhaps you could suggest a different ending for the film? Surely if you can set aside special time to point out flaws (on the internet), you should at least have the capacity to make alternative suggestions?

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I believe that the term i need to utilise is "LMFAO" or something similar...

In general in order to pay homage to something the homage must directly "rip-off" the original material! Thus bitching about how the ending is a rip rather than an homage is, suffice to say, retarded

"And by retarded i mean they can do anything!"

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Holy mother of Mohammed!!!!

Waxwork was on Zone Horror at 5:30pm

then later in the evening i was channel hopping around 10pm

AND

Back to the future II was on, on ITV2


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Contrary to common belief, a person can indeed be a interesting bore. But, it takes lubricant, 3 feet of rubber hose, and a Yak.

(Yeah let's see who get that reference)

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Looks like nobody does Shane.

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And wow you posted on my birthday too. A text-based game from Infocom called Leather Godesses of Phobos. Ancient. Like early 80's I think.

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Are you guys seriously debating Waxwork 2...WOW, you should put that so called "education" to better use Matsugawa J

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Seriously! You have the one guy defending a so-bad-its-good horror-comedy and the other with a giant crush on Marty McFly...gross!

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yeah, also George "Buck" Flower, who played sarah's stepdad in this movie, was the bum sleeping on the bench in Back to the Future. "Damn drunk drivers."

rip off!!

seriously, homage in my own opinion, like the WHOLE movie!
if you say its a BTTF rip off, then Waxwork 2 is also a Nosferatur rip off, Dawn of the Dead rip off, etc...

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