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Why the leftwing themes in an Eastwood film?


3 men set out to collect a bounty after a man cuts up a woman. Pretty simple. The pos cuts up a woman, a nice bounty is offered for his death so you kill him(No loss) and collect and go home.



2 of the 3 men go peacenik. One kills one of the perps in an outhouse and then cries like a baby over it and decides this is not for him.

The other decides killing is wrong and sets off the hundreds of miles back home with no money. Of course that second character, Ned is black and gets victimized by the real bad guys. Roll eyes. Why does this have to be so complicated?

Somebody started a thread about why Morgan Freeman was chosen for the role. We all know that. He's black. It generates more sympathy when he gets killed.

Munny who is not crazy about killing himself becomes a mushroom laying mo fo after his black friend is killed. You take out a couple of white friends that is one thing but a black friend?

One of the things I love about westerns is you have both left and right concepts in the same film. Justice for those who hurt the weak and a celebration of rugged individualism. Perhaps you do not have a classic film if everything is cut and dried but justice for a friend who was cut up and a nice reward for those who enact that justice is fine with me.

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Genius!

Yep depicting a black man as a victim is something never seen in film before right?

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Remember what William said after he heard they had killed Ned?

"So they killed Ned for what we had done?"

So Ned died for their sins. Like Jesus. Classic magic negro characterization. Now Ned did have sexual desires something most magic negro characters do not have he even spends some time with the whores. Despite that his moral superiority is evident.

What about the symbolism of the whip? Lil bill did not use that whip on anybody else. Just Ned because? You know.

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Is this meant to be a parody of anti-woke threads or are you actually being serious?

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I'm serious what do you not understand?

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I was just curious lol. I couldn't tell.

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Because life is complex and Eastwood had multiple things he wanted to show about the gunslinger lifestyle instead of just idolizing it….the movie is almost perfection

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I agree.

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Respectfully, and in my humble opinion -- yes, life is complex but this movie is far, far from perfection.
I'm not saying it's horrible, but for my taste, it serves up predictable platitudes with stock characters.
There is very little fresh or interesting or meaningful with this offering, at least to me.
Maybe if it wasn't praised so much I'd feel a little more kindly, because I actually like Westerns quite a bit.

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There was nothing complex about this movie.

Clint Eastwood is a Civil Libertarian. Almost his entire career has been about pushing out simplistic fables about why Civil Libertarians are the most righteous, wonderful and noblest people in the world and why Big Gubmint is anti-freedom. There's not even a debate about this; Eastwood is such a simplistic moron in this case that he misrepresented the NTSB as another evil Big Gubmint entity in Sully. The thing is that the NTSB is not a government agency that passes laws. It's an advisory body that tries to figure out why plane crashes happen so that it can give airline tips advice and help on how to prevent future deadly crashes.

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Old school liberals were against violence. I don't have a problem with anything this movie is saying. It's only in modern times that liberals seem to think violent opposition is a good idea and the DNC has somehow become the warhawk party. It really is exactly what Orwell predicted...these two parties 'switch' places every now and then and almost nobody seems to notice.

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When did the idea that killing is bad become a leftwing idea?

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Sometimes you read a post and wonder if you have seen the same movie as the poster.

The kid was a blowhard that did nothing of what he said he had done and found out that killing a person is not only not what he thought it would be, but damn difficult, too. He was a blowhard poseur and arrived at his own moral comeuppance with the killing he did.

Ned is just tired and wants to be back home and farm.

And I don't know what the original script and story called for as far as Ned's race, but I think more than anything, Freeman was cast because they knew he would be a well-liked character and one that was the direct opposite of Munny in ways.

Not only that, it appears he was Munny's ONLY friend as well. So why wouldn't he be pissed over his brutal death and avenge him? It had nothing to do with race.

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Sometimes you read a post and wonder if you have seen the same movie as the poster.

Me too

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No, Morgan Freeman was cast, because in typical Civil Libertarian fashion, Clint Eastwood had to have several oppressed minorities in his movie to show what an upstanding, wonderful, righteous person the "good guy with a gun" was, as opposed to how evil gun nuts are. Gene Hackman's character represents "Big Gubmint", Eastwood's character the Second Amendment warrior fighting against the evil of government intervention and regulations.

This underhanded tactic is why his character also had a Native American wife. The reason why they do that is the CL "muh freedum/muh rights" brigade are always white guys seeking freedoms that invariably trample on the rights of women and minorities, so as a preemptive attack against that very accusation, they'll always pretend that they're fighting for the right to protect these groups.

Before anyone rants how cynical I am, I've seen this shady, underhanded nonsense more times than I can count. It started with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, the book that became the template for this nonsense.

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if this movie didnt explain it, youll never get it

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This answer is VERY SIMPLE.

Clint Eastwood is a Civil Libertarian, and ALL Civil Libertarians do this b.s. of pretending to be allies of oppressed minorities, as well as sympathizers of leftwing causes. This goes all the way back to Ken Kesey, who started that trope in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Next.

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just to be clear , whats a "civil libertarian" ?

and what makes you think Eastwood is one?

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I don't THINK he is one. He has said it several times that he is one: https://www.theadvocates.org/libertarian-celebrities/clint-eastwood/.

Not only that, Hollywood is solidly "Civil Libertarian" and it's obvious in all of his movies that this is what he is an advocate of. Eastwood is part of a club of Hollywood going all the way back to Ronald Reagan (as governor of CA) and includes Oliver Stone, Matt Stone and Trey Parker (of South Park) and countless others, who use their movies to advance Civil Libertarianism. Even Spielberg is an advocate. Tenets of Civil Libertarianism:

1) Hate or be suspicious of government agencies, laws and regulations designed to keep the peace, protect the most vulnerable, etc. ANY law or measures they pass are slippery slopes to Fascism and an attack on personal freedom.

2) Hate or be suspicious of authority figures, experts, etc. no matter how right they may be in theory, particularly "smart people" like scientists or intellectuals.

3) Even hate the concept of "civil rights laws" (ironically), because these are also attacks on personal freedom.

For instance, Dirty Harry was a Libertarian screed against The Supreme Court. The movie literally said that the reason why cops need to be judge, jury and executioner is that The Supreme Court passed an "evil" landmark ruling that tied the hands of police to arrest criminals. Later Dirty Harry movies pushed the narrative that gun control is evil because it prevents Good Guys with Guns from protecting the public.

Unforgiven is another variation on a theme. Gene Hackman's character is supposed to present the "evil" gun control lobby. Clint Eastwood's character is another spin on the "Good Guy with a Gun" trope, the hero who saves the day because he's so much more righteous and noble than anti-gun control advocates.

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I think your tenets are biased.
A Libertarian would not specifically single out and hate the laws "designed to keep the peace, protect the most vulnerable, etc."

They would object to the ones that infringe their liberty and restrict things that dont hurt others.
Bans basically. like marijuana.
They dont object to laws like "Thou shalt not run around the streets stabbing people"
They dont want "The Purge" , they just want to be able to eat some shrooms if they want to.

I'm also calling bullshit on
2) (smart people)
and
3) "civil rights laws"

additionally , Libertarianism is a wide ranging philosophy adopted by both ends of the political spectrum and can therefore represent a range of conflicting views:

Although libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics,[26][74] the development in the mid-20th century of modern libertarianism in the United States resulted in libertarianism being commonly associated with right-wing politics. It also resulted in several authors and political scientists using two or more categorizations[4][5][17] to distinguish libertarian views on the nature of property and capital, usually along left–right or socialist–capitalist lines.[6] Right-libertarians reject the label due to its association with conservatism and right-wing politics, calling themselves simply libertarians, while proponents of free-market anti-capitalism in the United States consciously label themselves as left-libertarians and see themselves as being part of a broad libertarian left
(from wikip)

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Why did you ask me to elaborate on why I called Clint Eastwood a Libertarian? So you could bait me into a response that you were NEVER going to entertain seriously no matter what I said? Why waste your time and mine asking me something on the PRETEXT that you were really interested in what I had to say, when the whole point was to just get me to respond so you could dismiss my viewpoint?

Libertarianism is neither a Leftwing or a Rightwing political ideology. It's a philosophy outside the realm of either Leftwing or Rightwing ideology but it always piggybacks into Leftwing and Rightwing causes to spread its agenda. The ACLU and the NRA are in the exact same camp, even though their proponents will argue that they're the hard left or the hard right or they themselves will attack each other as "the Right" or "the Left" when they get in each other's way.

You can quote Wikipedia all you want. It's meaningless, because it wasn't written by anyone who has any knowledge of political science, especially as it pertains to American history.

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Basically curious as to why many people, like Clint Eastwood , would label themselves with a label that they clearly think is a good thing , but that you clearly hold in contempt , and therefore what the differences are in what the two parties think the label means .

I dont think Clint would say "I'm a libertarian , and the best bit about that is I hate laws designed to keep the peace, scientists, smart people, and the racial equality brought about by civil rights laws. "

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