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Metaphor of the American flag?


At the end Will is threatening the villagers to behave, or else he's gonna come back and kill'em all.
The American flag is framed there, obviously a symbol of USA and the future nation built on such a premise.
But I don's get exactly what's the metaphor Clint is aiming at here.
Is this representing what the USA have become in modern times, meaning, an unstoppable country that keeps everybody else in line with its killing overpower?
If so, what does it have to do with the rest of the movie?

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But I don's get exactly what's the metaphor Clint is aiming at here.


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...




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Ok, that's a good answer, but in this case the flag stands out as intentionally placed and framed and lit. So, it is there for a precise reason with a precise meaning. What is that?

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I've seen this movie several dozen times, and don't recall seeing a flag in Munny's penultimate scene. What I recall is the dark, the cold, the rain, and the fear and maybe even some respect on everyone's face.

Mostly what I recall is finally seeing the cold hearted killer William Munny we've heard about through the entire movie but never saw. The way the camera lingers on Munny's face after he promises to kill everyone if his demands are not met are burned into my memory.

Flag? Don't recall. I seriously doubt there's any "metaphor" there...

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Crazy you missed it, maybe you didn't pay much attention in your several dozen views. The flag is there and it stands out so vividly that it's a blatant metaphor of something the director meant for us.

It's the only colorful thing in the last sequence, which is dark and cold and rainy and sepia colored. That flag it there, and it's lit and colorful, as in "Hey viewer, see this American flag standing behind this mean guy threatening everyone else in the world".

Watch it again, you won't believe you missed it this long.

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I found the clip and watched it on youtube twice before I saw the flag. It's only seen for a couple of seconds in the back ground and if you see it, you're NOT looking at William Munny's transformed face. Finally we see the face of a true murderer of women and children we've heard about through the whole film but haven't yet seen. In that face, we don't see the doting father that Munny was to his children, or the thoughtful friend that Munny was to Ned, or the compassionate Munny we see with Deliliah. We didn't see the man who was reformed and no longer cursed or would have sex with whores. That stone cold hate filled face is the payoff shot that we've been waiting for. Odd that instead of seeing the brilliance of that shot, anyone would notice a flag of all things - unless you've seen this two dozen times or more like I have. Sometimes after repeated viewings, we notice other things in the shot.

I guess it's possible Eastwood had a metaphor in mind, or just made sure to get the American flag in a shot because he's a patriotic American, but it's more likely the flag was hanging there the whole time on the set and that you just noticed a cigar.

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Every time I've been to the States, I see Flags everywhere and I mean everywhere.
I'm including people hanging them out the front of their houses!

Didn't think of the placement here as anything specific.

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That's nowadays. This movie takes place when you couldn't go to walmart to get your flag.
And there's no flag in the rest of the film, but in this shot it's obviously lit, so no coincidence.

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I just watched it today and I noticed it. Clint is a very careful director and I doubt he frames the shot with the flag so prominent unless he wanted it to say something. I was thinking that it was meant to remind you about justice and how corrupt people can get away with the abuse of the powerless only so long in America before justice finds and destroys them.

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So you think Clint uses the flag to simbolize justice?
As in, the US stand for justice?

I had a sightly different feeling. To me, the flag stads for wrath. We will punish you, we will overpower you, we will kill all of you if you go against our rule.
Munney is furious and looking above his shoulder against enemies when he gives this threat with the flag in the background. It felt like a political message against the enemies of America, but I don't know who nor why nor what does it have to do with the rest of the movie.

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It was ambiguous for sure. I completely agree with your perception that Eastwood wanted the audience to see that flag during Munny’s angry speech. I thought it was meant as a symbol of justice rather than power / wrath because Eastwood likes to tell the story of the meek getting justice over those who abuse and exploit them. I think he also has a personal belief in America as following an arc of justice despite some catastrophic stumbles in its history. But if I’m correct, it was a weird time to connect the flag because Munny was sounding pretty vengeful and threatening like you said. A point was being made but it was confusing. There were several puzzling America metaphors in this movie. Why did Eastwood have the story initiate during the July 4 Independence Day celebration? And then, why did he pick the one July 4 holiday in U.S. history during which an American president (James Garfield) was assassinated; a shooting that led to the president languishing over two months before actually dying. Did you notice the number of times those responding to the prostitutes’ reward offer are likewise referred to as “assassins?” Something is being said here about America. You started a great post and no one above really got what you were saying. Well, it took two years but I got it.

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Great points.
Yes, I think more stuff is there that is not fully developed in the movie.

Maybe Clint just wanted to give some hints here and there about the nation as a whole and how it revolved and evolved around violence.

That's his view of course, but I have to agree with him that the US are founded on lots of violence. Lots of it.
I'm not sure exactly what's his point though, as in: which country exactly is NOT founded on violence?

That's my take though, maybe Clint meant something else.

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The only metaphor I noticed in it was the IN-YOUR-FACE Wizard of Oz one for the first 3/4 of the movie. If it were not for the excellent payoff ending, I would not be much of a fan of this movie. Eastwood is real hit/miss with me.

Never noticed the flag. I think strntz and BeaSouth have good takes on it.

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Bumping my thread, just in case new comments want to chime in.

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