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The English Bob subplot was necessary.



It reveals why Little Bill despises assassins so much, as well as the true nature of gun fights and what it takes to survive in the West. When LIttle Bill tells the biographer about "keeping a cool head" in a shootout, and how if the guy is lucky he will still kill you, it explains why William Munny was such a good killer.

It also brings out the darker nature of Little Bill.

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The main function of the English Bob character is to bring Beauchamp, the writer, to Big Whiskey.

The writer is crucial to the film's central them of subverting the Western Mythology. He is symbolic of the many writers in the late 19th century, who created the foundation myth of the West. And it is he who witnesses the events in Skinny's place, and will certainly write about them, turning Muny into part of the myth.

Whether he will present this darker side of the Myth, or will keep within the ideological framework, is an open question.

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Good point there, I didn't catch that.

Although while the writer is crucial to the overall story and themes, some would say he isn't directly involved with the plot, so he is unnecessary (which I disagree with).

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english bob had gravitas.




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One of my favourite scenes is the story about Two Guns Corcoran, English Bob and the French Lady...

Beauchamp has written a version of a story about English Bob in "The Duke of Death. Little Bill was an actual witness to the true events. The reality is very different from the version Beauchamp has written.

Beauchamp stays to hang out with Little Bill when English Bob is sent away.

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I actually got the impression Little Bill kept Beauchamp. I know he made the comment about the the guy wanting to stay but you can read into that Bill wanted him to stay. He'd have been in the carriage as well if Bill didn't want him. I think Bill sees himself as the voice of reality and to a sense he does try to be. He actually gives Bob a decent write up. He says he doesn't like assassins etc but he also makes the point of saying Bob isn't a coward and says (in a way he shows he agrees with) that Bob wasn't going to wait for Corky to grow another hand. He also adds when he says about being calm under fire etc, that it is why Bob is so dangerous and why he himself is so dangerous. He actually more or less says the same things about himself and Bob. I think the way he treats Bob gives a show of how much he genuinely is wary of him. He beats him up when he has men with guns on him, he doesn't take stupid chances. He sends the message that Bob is a good gunman and this is what he got, the aim being clear to say anyone who fancies themselves keep in mind this happened to a genuinely dangerous man. The fact he offers Beauchamp the gun first and offering it to Bob is an after thought and the whole way he does it, he is stacking all the odds up in his favour there because he knows from seeing it himself that Bob will kill him if given a chance. I actually read Bob as basically Bill without a badge and Bill knows it.

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It also gives you a chance to see just how dangerous Little Bill is.

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It also gives you a chance to see just how dangerous Little Bill is.


yep very dangerous. Also subtly responsible for much of the violence, not through intentions. Damn good villain right LF?

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