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Seems to be pretty biased.


From what I read about this film it seems that the portrayal of Stalin is just some evil, controlling, cold, and heartless man. Well, maybe that's true, but the role written seems to be somewhat over dramatic with lines such as "You think I don't know, Stalin knows! I know what you do, who you talk to, who you screw! I know everything!" That seems a bit overly dramatic, and a bit exaggerated to be Stalin, or any living person. It just seems like your typical, controlling movie villain, nothing else. Which is why I do not have nigh hopes to see this film, however, if I get a chance then I will view it. But to me, it doesn't seem to be an accurate portrayal of one of the most historical figures of the 20th century, just propaganda. Nothing more.

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If it were a REALLY "accurate portrayal", Charles, it would have been unwatchable.
He was far, far worse than this series could ever portray him.

And that - sadly - is the truth.




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I like how the other guy deleted his post. I personally think Stalin was somewhat of a brilliant leader. OKAY i get you though, he MAY have been worse. But really my point was, they portrayed him as the way a movie would just portray a fictional villain. Saying such quotes as "I know what you do. Stalin knows. I know who you talk to, what you do, who you screw. I know everything!" It seems a little exaggerated to just have Stalin refer to himself in the 3rd person. Seems like some kind of comic book like villain. and when it all comes down to it, I just think it is somewhat STUPID.

Thank God for abortion!

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I "get" you - don't think I don't.

For example, personally, I find the usual portrayals of Hitler VERY irritating - because I've read a lot about him (about many other famous people, too - don't worry about me being some raving skinhead ), and because I loathe cliches.

The thing is... Stalin, according to the bios I've read, really didn't display many of the characteristics we usually call "human".

WHY was he so warped... who knows?
But he WAS warped.

I am not out to demonise him - I am very opposed to demonising anyone - but the truth is (again, according to different biographers - including his own daughter) he was not only highly paranoic but a true sociopath - in the proper meaning of this psychiatric term: i.e. he didn't think of other people as his "equals" (not in terms of hierarchy, but on purely a human basis).

Have you seen that famous photo of him holding a little girl? It was an "iconic" photo, meant to reinforce and perpetuate the image of him a the "Father of the Nation".
Well, not long after that photo was taken that little girl's mother (her only remaining parent) was "liquidated" because somebody thought she might try to extort "privileges" (?) because of the photo.

And he really did like to speak of himself in the third person; and he relished "practical jokes" of a horrific nature. Also, according to a very interesting book (I'll see if I can find a link) MOST of the footage of him actually featured a professional actor. (I mention this in reference to his paranoia.)

And so I think this film was actually quite moderate in its portrayal. For example, they chose not to go with the version of his wife's death that is still to this day prevalent among the Russian people: that HE shot Nadya himself.

Again: I most certainly DO understand your dislike for cliches. Nobody hates them more than I do. It's just that certain people really are beyond the realm of what's considered "human" (flaws included).

Speaking of which... Stalin himself was almost "mother Theresa" compared to Lavrentiy Beria.
Now there's a despicable character if there was one...

If you haven't read it yet, I think you might enjoy the book "Stalin: an Unknown Portrait". It's rather expensive (but well worth the money). I think some of it is available for preview on Google Books.

There was also a terrific documentary that I even commented on, but now I can't remember the title...


P.S. What WAS in the other post?
Now I am kind of sorry I didn't read it. ;)


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"WHY was he so warped... who knows?"

There is easy to point out several episodes of his early life that would F-UP most of people. Being born to poverty in some back water area in anachronistic and backward Imperial Russian does not exactly grant very good start for life.

Religious studies are also great way f-up ones head and similar religious zeal transfered to political dogma does not promise any bening development on that front (I think that only Felix Dzerzhinsky was bigger communist zealot than Stalin).

Also company he kept duiring his revolutionary days were murderers and career criminals and he mingled with them in ease.

Duiring revolution there were many intellectuals and idealist who got their feet wet in blood works but none of them were like Stalin who was apparently born in that world. That is also why so many smart and intellectual men totally underestimated Stalin.

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Saying such quotes as "I know what you do. Stalin knows. I know who you talk to, what you do, who you screw. I know everything!" It seems a little exaggerated to just have Stalin refer to himself in the 3rd person.

I haven't seen the movie. But what you are quoting is absolutely accurate. Stalin refered to himself in the 3rd person because he wanted to create a Myth around the name Stalin and as we know now he succeeded in doing it.

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if you think that a monster like Stalin was brillant, then its too bad you weren't aborted!

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Same to you!!! But I sometimes would agree with that!

Stalin shouldn't be worshipped with god like status however his legacy shouldn't be tarnished or demonized, either. He was loyal and a great asset in Socialist advancement, and for the party.

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are you totally insane? Stalin was the worst evil in history and murdered 30 million people !! `` he was loyal and a great asset in Socialist advacement ... ``. that's exactly the problem !!

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Hahaha 30 million people? There have been claims that he's even done 50 million, or even 100 million, considering the fact the Soviet Union made up some 200-300 million odd people, I find that highly unlikely they won the war. 20 million or so died during the war, is that added on to the count? So i guess all the people who fight in wars should be a leaders' fault. And no socialism wasn't a problem, in fact the USSR and the socialist experiment was a great thing.

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you think its a big joke? nobody is claiming 50 or 100 million. most of those 20 million who died in the war,died as a direct result of your "brillant" leader.he refused to believe that Hitler was going to attack,even when he was told by the spy Richard Sorge before the attack.he sent Gulag prisoners on suicide attacks on german positions.yes, in this case Stalin was responsible for most of those 20 million.if the socalist experiment was sooo great how come its in the trash can of history,and the U.S.S.R. does't exist anymore?

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Since its birth the imperialist west had tried to jam a steak through the heart of Soviet Russia, and it survived 74 years. USSR started to deteriorate after it became less revolutionary and more, shall we say "stabilized."

Especially right after Stalin, when the legacy of Marxism Leninism took a turn for the worse when Khrushchev sweepingly denounced Stalin and appeased the west with his liberal "reforms." Gorbachev took it to a new low when, under the banner of pure anti-communism, intentionally destroyed the USSR and dissolved it, despite the fact that around 77% of Soviet citizens (all republics included) voted to maintain it in a referendum. Also, when you break down each individual republic, places like central asia, the caucaus region like for instance Armenia, those specific soviet citizens casted votes overwhelmingly positive votes in the high 80's. Because everyone knew if such a system which was interdependent collapsed everyone's lives would be deep in S@#%, well guess what, the fall occurred in late 91 and that was the case. Especially my russian tutor from Uzbekistan, said life was horrible after that, and the fall was a great big mistake.

Here's this, its a quick read. http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv6n1/gorbach.htm

Oh and no wonder the Soviet people hated Gorbachev's glamourpus wife, while foreign dignitaries loved her.

When someone with the likes Margaret Thathcher makes such a statement as "I like Mr. Gorbachev, he is someone whom we can do business" then you know you got a problem. The attempted coup against gorbachev was done far too late. Even gorbachev said if they had done it earlier they would have succeeded. God bless the gang of eight, but god damn them for trying too late.

The Red Army during the Great Patriotic war took the brunt of the Fascists and they defeated them, they were the first ones there and the only ones there when hitler was hiding in his bunker. They were the ones who raised the flag up in a great victory. They started off ill-equipped but the red army grew unstoppable, they made a sacrifice. ask any suffering Soviet military veteran, they will be genuinely passionate, and not because "Stalin told them to,". My friend, you must be a cold war child. Either that or your parents were, and you listened too much to cold war propaganda.

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comrade,you are either an idiot or a liar.the soviet republics voted overwhelmingly to seperate.in the Ukrainen the vote was over 90% to leave inspite of a large russian population.thats a fact. Gorby was a commie to the very end. the real hero was Yelstin.your tutor was right. after 70 years of communistic oppression and distruction,of course things got worse. why do you this rotton system collapsed in the first place?
unlike you,who has only read Marxism 101.my parents escaped from "the workers paradise".so stop writting idiotic posts,until you know what you are writting about!
by the way,in this movie whose side are you on? the revolutionary "hero",or your "brillant leader".if its the latter then you have betrayed the 1917 revolution.if its the former then you are against your "brillant leader".hmmmm tough decision. einie minie miny moe.





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OHHHH boy. HAhahahahaha. Don't ever tell me that Yeltsin was a hero, Tovarsisch, my grandpa would smack you in the mouth for saying something like that, if he were alive...

Gorbachev was NOT a commie and its quite obvious in that speech I just now linked, and I never used words in the likes of "worker's paradise" and I'm not a liar no an idiot, the vote was to MAINTAIN a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, not to just break apart. Of course they wanted reforms, but they did not want to change which they knew would lead to catastrophe, which it DID. The worst days of my Grandpa's life was first the annexation (Anschluss) of German Democratic Republic and then the overthrow of the USSR by Gorbachev, hands down the worst days of his life. OH and no, he wasn't even a higher up! Just a normal, average citizen, all his life.

I am learning Russian, currently, and delving into Russian culture. I live in a place with an immense Russian population. There's never a time where I don't help at least a few Russians at my job, and while I'm assisting them, I ALWAYS throw in a question about their lives in the former Soviet Union. I've never had a "It was awful!" remark, not once. Also, its not just Russians, I've spoked to many Armenians. There is an Armenian at my work, and she said it was downright SAD that the USSR broke up. "I think its kind of sad, because now everything is so different. They just try and copy America and everyone use to live together and now everyone is all about their own nationality"

I'm sorry that your parents felt the need to leave with such eagerness, however with the former Soviet Russians i conversed with, most have said they had normal, functioning lives there and lived just fine. So to each his own, really. Just because one person says "oh it sucked" that's not going to change my mind.

Revolutionary hero? You must mean Trotsky? While he was a wonderful speaker and had a great display of leadership the evidence that disaster would ahve followed under his leadership is all too apparent regarding his theories...Permanent Revolution, what a joke. Whether Stalin really ordered his assassination or not doesn't matter to me, but I'm certainly fine with his expulsion and exile from the party, he was a dangerous force. Stalin, just like Lenin, was a true Pragmatic materialist, and of course his leadership is to be met with criticism from a materialist point of view. I'm not the british labor party of Stalin society that worships him as a god and displays its cultishness with its banners, which is just creepy all around and alienates others.

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ohhh boy,my grandpa would kick your grandpa's commie ass in.
Yeltsin was a BRILLANT LEADER who smashed the u.s.s.r.,changed the world,prevented a nuclear holocaust,andliberated 300 million people!it doesnt get any better than that.his only mistake is that he didnt liquidate the gang of 8,the running dogs of communism.
the G.D.R. was never annexed.it was reunited after 45 yrs.,to the joy of millions.why didnt your grandpa stop drinking vodka,get off his commie ass,get a job,and give back the properties that the commies stole?then it would be the best day of his life.

ANECDOTE.i know a russian women who came to the west after the liberation, she now eats oranges and bananas in winter,but she says that things were better in the u.s.s.r.,when she had to line up for black bread. go figure.

are you so stupid to think that my parents left thier homes eagerly?it was the worst day of thier life.

NOT TROTSKY. my apology.i was thinking of a similiar movie, BURNT BY THE SUN,in which the hero gets "burnt" by stalin.

communism, the delirium that gripped the world.

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Excuse me you don't even know my grandpa how would you know if he DIDN'T have a job or not? Oh Yeltsin was a liberator, hah, so great that 1% preferred his leadership in a survey. The fact that they worked 40 years for it to be sapped, was the WORST day of his life, most definitely. The only one who needed to lay off the vodka was Yeltsin, old drunken bastard. Far more corrupt than any communist bureaucrat ever was.

Even now Ostalgie is taking former East Germany by storm, and over 60% of East Germans look fondly upon its legacy and DEFEND IT and long for it. Even down to the products they use to have, that suddenly disappeared after annexation, are making a resurgence in their society. BTW my grandpa was not soviet, he was an East German.

Capitalism, the aberration that enslaves the world.

Politics aside, this film is ATROCIOUS. Its' not even a good anti stalin or soviet film. It has the most ridiculous acting and Robert Duvall especially does a laughable Stalin. The BBC documentary "WWII: Stalin, The Nazis, and the West" was filled with reenactments it was almost just like watcing a movie and that was actually good, despite being very biased and untruthful. So its not just the fact that this is "Anti Stalin" or "Anti Soviet" this film is just plain awful. A very lackluster dramatization.

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1% and 60%,blah,blah,blah.its called THE STOCKHOLM SYNDRONE.look it up.commies dont have to be corrupt.they are blood sucking parasites that suck the blood of all humanity.

oh your grandpa was e. german. WORKERS PARADISE.THE WALL,stasi secret police,trambat car,and being occupied by the soviets for 45 yrs.

capitalism an aberration? how come it rules the world?

politics aside. i thought the film was excellent, and Duvall had it right on.

i can see by your childish beliefs that you are in your late teens or early 20's.let me give you a piece of advice kid.there aint no "brillant leader",or a Valhala on earth.commumism was the biggest scam in history, thats why its in the trash can of history.

a little knowlege is a dangerous thing.

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Spoken like a true right winger, to ignore statistics.

Oh and your talk of violence, "My grandpa can kick your grandpa's ass!" is also quite expected, such behavior is condoned and glorified in Western trash society, isn't it?

My childish beliefs? Not sure what's wrong with recognizing the major problems of today that are caused by one economic system that has an even stronger, tighter grip on the world. THAT is the true bloodsucker. Spreading your influence to other countries that don't want it, trying to extract their resources, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, possibly Syria, and now Iran.

"Neo-colonialism" is an accomplishment?

I see you also try, like any other person who takes the capitalist west line, try to say that DDR and all other warsaw pact states were satellite states. I know that's something you'd say. Truth is how could these countries chose to follow the soviet model in the Third international, and even then had their own set of laws, culture, and customs. For example how was Romania able to come out against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslavakia (which was led by CIA ops)? Why was Carlos the Jackal arrested in Hungary but allowed safe haven in East Germany? If all these states were really controlled they'd all follow the same orders, and the laws would be universal. You're just using the typical modern and cold war anti communist sentiment.

I'd say LITTLE knowledge is a dangerous thing.

The Berlin wall was built because Westerners would come over to berlin and buy the same type of goods that were cheaper than their own goods, because of the govt. set prices. That hurts DDR economy, and then doctors would recieve a free education in the East side and move over to the west, so what does the East get out of it? The wall was the only logical conclusion. The West stayed there to instigate and that's what they got, a nice wall to surround them. It wasn't pretty, I can tell you that much.

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what a commie hypocrite! 4 days ago you threatned "to smack me in the mouth",then you used vile vulgar language on a brillant leader MR.YELTSLIN. such behavior is condoned in communistic societies isn't it?

no of course they werent controlled by the u.s.s.r.they just HAPPENED to all invade Hungary in 56 and CZ.in 76 all at the same time.just a coincidence.like how stupid do you think we are?

sure the WESTERNERS all wanted to buy cheap commie crap,that even a commie like you wouldnt buy. i guess that the socialist workers paradise G.D.R.was so great that thousands of germans died trying to cross the BERLIN WALL,to be "enslaved" in capatilist F.D.R.

THE VICIMS OF COMMUNISM SPIT BLOOD ON YOU !

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Revolutionary terror is always necessary against capitalists reactionary thinkers. And yes, a little rudeness will suffice.

Even Stalin himself said, "I am only rude to those against the party,"
Mind you, when I was ten he started telling me about all this. and I didn't really think much of it until later on and then I asked him more questions, and then he told me all about the two divisions in the world. You're either on one side, or the other. It's clear which side you'd be on if the chance for revolution presented itself in our lifetime.

I am intrigued by your private post, however, we can continue there. Or both, if you'd like.

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are you off your meds again?

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Charles Variation you are disgusting! How could you defend Stalin or that monstrous Soviet regime that murdered more people than the Nazis? There are no words. Just despicable.

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the red "army".the red scum raped thier way thru Europe,raping every female from 8 to 80.if you want to see a real army, watch the marching WAFFEN SS on YOUTUBE.the greating fighting force and greatest aryans in history.thats a real army not your raping bolsevik scum.

RAISE OUR BANNERS HIGH ...and smash the red scum to pieces !

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Oh, now I see your true colors. You're a fascist. You're "real army" was trounced and defeated by the Red Army, sir. Doesn't surprise me. There's a huge rise in fascist sentiment in Russia, as mentioned in my other post. You don't think the Nazi's raped anyone? There were American rapes as well.

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what are your true colors? a race traitor, the worst kind,who sold his people and race to international communism.nothing worse than that.a running dog of the u.s.s.r. here is a bone for you FIDO.

it wasnt the RED hordes that defeated them, it was the russian winter.learn some history,knuckle head !

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You're nothing but a nationalist pig, you sick f%$#! A "race traitor" oh please, You're the delusional one, friend.

It WAS the red "hordes" that defeated them. The whole idea of "The russian winter defeated them" is a cop out. I think you need to learn some history, as well as common sense. The red army had a perfect defense strategy, they set up lines and as the fascists crept more and more inward each line would retreat further inwards and was met with another line. Thus, the "horde" as you call it would grow larger and larger. Eventually they pushed forward, and became unstoppable, and SMASHED your precious Wehrmacht and raised the red flag in Berlin, proudly.

You're nationalist views screw up the world, not international communism. International communism recognizes everyone as brothers and sisters, because then united they can SMASH the capitalist and nationalist pigs like yourself and you'll all recieve your deserved comeuppance. You're truly blinded by racism. Nationalism is what screws up the world and causes deaths and violence. I bet you support those decapitation videos of the Tajik and Dagestani immigrants. The world would be better with less people like you in it, for sure.

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you're nothing but a communistic swine, you sick mother *beep* see that you have gone beserk and are foaming at the mouth,but the fact remains that I.C. scum that betray thier people and country are race traitors, to be liquidated.

if BARBAROSSA had not been delayed from MAY to the end of JUNE,the WEHRMACHT would have been in VLADIVSTOK by SEPTEMBER.

you're communistic views murdered 100 million people all over the world.our heroic nationalist have smashed your I.C. scum like you all over E.EUROPE.even the jews have abandoned communism for zionism,and without the jews you are so *beep* RUSSIA after 70 yrs. of brutal oppression and 30 million dead the tri-color flag and the double headed eagle flies over MOSCOW,while your hammer and sickle is in the gutter with sewer rats like you.

i know that you would have the TAJIK and DAGESTANI shot because they are Muslins and you commies hate religion.

i am going totell you this one time ,and one time only,our heroic national forces will smash your I.C.beasts with such force that by the time we are finished with you,you will be begging for HILTER!

international communism must be wiped off the face of the earth!

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That's absolutely not true at all about the Dagestani and the Tajik. But I know what people like you would do, Oh I don't know, maybe mercilessly sever the head off of one and shoot the other in the head point blank range like those sick nationalist pigs did in that video? Two INNOCENT people. You can tell me whatever the hell you want as much as you want I don't give a damn, all you spout from your mouth is mindless, racist, uneducated banter and you're views are in the gutter. You're fascist dick head Putin is even being met with hositlity, and the communist party in Russia again is making its comeback, slowly but surely. Do you even know how many people look back to the good days? The TRUE good days?

I also know that some of your far right nationalist groups in Russia proudly display Stalin's portrait, like a bunch of fools. Of course as Nationalists and racial purists you should know that Stalin is GEORGIAN and not even Russian. What also doesn't make sense is the fact that he was a COMMUNIST and annihilated nazism and liberated Eastern Europe from fascism. So that's one thing I don't understand about your movement. But obviously you're a different kind of nationalist seeing as you don't like Stalin. Stalin portrait or not your views are just the same as any other far right nationalist/racial purist, utter GARBAGE. You're a sick, sick person and I pity you, friend.

And that's wonderful that the tri-flag and eagle once again flies over the Moscow, all that represents to me is the eruption of fascism and trash capitalist society in Russia. As you already know, life expectancy PLUMMETED in Russia after the fall of the USSR and all other former republics such as in Central asia (Stan countries) are riddled with crime and corruption and are comprador states for the imperialists. What a wonderful world, right? I guess to you wonderful is mercilessly beating up people who have darker skin than you.

If anything you're the true traitor, for going against your OWN people and supporting the idea of the wehrmacht, who killed MILLIONS of russian men, women, and children, making way to Vladivstok. What a world of *beep* we'd be in right now had that happened, if it wasn't for the brave Red Army to trounce your glorious wehrmacht.

And Today, in oligarchical russia, we have GPW vets freezing to deaht in the far east due to air conditioner companies shutting off their heat. Such an occurrence is non applicable to the past. But oh, you would say (as you did in another post) "It's better to be a free human than to not be human at all." Hahaha, Oh good riddance. What a cop out, you have NO idea how to defend such an idea that's just fundamentally flawed.

You're obviously an ultra right simpleton, and whatever you say is not worth more than a carrot. I wont be responding to you anymore, but however feel free to rant.

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old "joke." whats the difference between Hitler and Stalin? Hitler only killed his enemies.

it was your littile GEORGIAN bank robber that deported not 2,but thousands of these people to their deaths. the only people that look forward to"the good old days"are old babushkas and Western knownothing idiots like.

there are a lot of things you dont understand.but if you are with Stalin then you must be with those far right groups.if you are against them then you are against Stalin. which is it? i can asure you 100% that if Stalin had to chose between a real RED like you or the Stalinist/right/nationalists he would have you shot in a Moscow minute! at least he was practical.

i notice on your message board you have posted many times and have watched many filmes.in your socialist Lala land you would have had no computer,no right to post your opions and would have never seen those filmes.isn't capatilist democracy wonderful?
thank GOD,my apology i know you hate HIM,you wont respond anymore.
when i read your posts i could not believe someone like you who supports the murder of 30m.people and the enslavement of 200m.could even exist.

you are not only sick but truly EVIL!!!

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Stalin SHOULD be demonized as much as hitler has been...in fact hitler NEVER commited the atrocities (and he commited plenty) that this piece of human excrement did.

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the red "army".the red scum raped thier way thru Europe,raping every female from 8 to 80.


As did the Americans (who have higher numbers of rapes in WWII) and especially the Nazis and Japanese who often times condoned it. Lets not be ridiculous, rapes happen in war time due to mass-rabbles of angry soldiers entering enemy territory, but it was not policy to commit such atrocities in the allied armies which is why a report to a commissar from a rape victim would lead to execution for a rapist soldier in the Soviet army.


What are your true colors? a race traitor, the worst kind,who sold his people and race to international communism


AH! So it all comes out now! Mtlukie, you are a racist, fascist scumbag. Human refuse like this has no right to criticize any other political ideology or ''race''. You are the worst type of human being (if I can call you that) that could ever walk and breath upon this Earth. People liek you should be shot against the wall for creating an ideology that actually is about discrimination and race violence.


Formerly KingAngantyr

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And you are a communist filth,and not even a human being but a sub-human commie.scum like you murdered over 150 million innocent humans under communism during the last century.this was and is the worst evil in human history.for commies like you shotting is too good for your kind.you commies should be sent to Auschwitz and turned to fertilizer,then at least you would have served an useful purpose!!!!

P.S.it was the policy of the Red Army scum to rape every female,women on child,and they did in fact rape over one million of them, and it was encouraged by the commisars to do exacatly that.do some research and read some history,commie apologist and communist war criminal.

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A fascist-lover spouting the usual fascist lies, what else is new? No, it wasn't Red Army policy to rape females which is why rape was a hanging offense in the Red Army, clown.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but I am certainly not a ''commie war criminal'', doofus, especially not one from WWII.

Formerly KingAngantyr

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A commie -lover spouting the usual commie lies,what else is new? only now you cant spew your dirty communistic lies thanks to the internet.

just Google Red Army Raping Women,you commie filth.
in Germany 2 million females,women and girles from 8 to 80years old were raped after the war by the Reds.in fact it was their Policy to commit as many rapes as possible.many females were raped as much as 15 times over and over.Stalin encouaged this by saying that his men should have a" little fun" after the war!

by spreading your commie lies its like you are raping them all over again.

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Your arse is aching from Stalingrad, I see. Your fascist antecendents were soundly defeated and shown to be degenerates there. You can rant about communism all you want but that doesn't change the fact that your ideology is the most hated ideology in human history and a massive failure to boot.

And no matter how much you lie, nothing can change the fact that rape was a hanging offense in the Red Army and wasn't encouraged by Stalin or in any official policy. Nice try, sh!twit.

This damned jury's getting me. If I don't get away soon I'll be going blood-simply like the natives.

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You can scream and rant about "fascism" all you want ,but that doest change the fact that your communism murdered more than 160 MILLION people during their years of terror, more than all other systems in all of human history.
The only massive failure here is your communism,and its USSR.
Where is it now? in the trash can of history,were it belongs.

And i an not lying, Stalin not only allowed raping by the Red Army beasts,but encoureged it.

Nice try ,commie loving scumbag!

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"German Women Raped During WW11 By Soviets" on Youtube.com

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They'd have had to.shoot the whole Red Army in that case. I believe that saving Stalin's skin was Roosevelt’s greatest mistake.

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Stalin was an evil, controlling, cold, paranoid and heartless man. In other words, he was a monster, totally inhumane. He was just as bad as Hitler, if not worse. At least there was some "softness" in Hitler (Hitler was a failed artist after all) but none can be found from Stalin who truly lived up to his name. His evil was conciouss calculation and brutality.

Sh!tkicker from Finland

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While Stalin really did refer to himself in third person and was in fact no all right in the head, this film WAS advised by Robert Conquest, who is a very prominent critic of communism and Stalinism. So naturally there's going to be bias.

I know this is a couple of years late, but if you haven't seen it yet, you should. Robert Duvall was absolutely amazing.

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No, still haven't seen it and have absolutely no interest. It looks ridiculous.

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This is superb.

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I have in fact read speeches in which Stalin referred to himself in the third person, such speeches where he referred to himself were mostly speeches in which he needed to defend himself.

However this movie is an over dramatic, and and AWFUL depiction of Stalin overall, much like in the film ArchAngel. They're just trying too hard to depict him as a madman or a psycho that they'd include a line such as "I know what you do, who you see, what you say, who you screw. Stalin knows."

Oh please.

Btw I can't help but notice how embarassing my posts were in 2008, sheesh!

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"They're just trying too hard to depict him as a madman or a psycho"

How terrible because of course he was completely sane!!!!

A man who committed murder against his own people. Removed people from photographs and stated they never existed. Held show trials that were nothing short of farce and had the defendants shot immediately. Tens of Thousands of his soldiers who had fought bravely against the Germans and been captured and consigned to concentration camps, after their release were deemed traitors by Stalin and put into Gulags. He even had quotas for executions that each district had to meet. Oh yeah these are the actions of a level headed and sane man. And by the way your defence of communism is admirable however the principal is completely lost when the head of state is Rich and all Powerful. Where does equality come into that equation, when one man holds life and death over a nation.

As George Orwell so aptly wrote: All men are equal but some are more equal than others.

Stalin was a sadistic, cruel, maniacal murderer who hid for a week in his Dacha when he heard of the German forces invasion. This same butcher who siogned a pact with Hitler pre war. Had it not been for Hitler's invasion he would have been no Ally to the Allied forces.

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I love your analysis Big al-41...Stalin was all of those things and more. I don't know why the OP is praising him so. The thing is they could have overthrown Stalin after Hitelr's invasion but did not do it. Missed opportunity. Stalin was no more brilliant than Hitler or any other tyrant to rules with an iron fist.

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he refused to believe that Hitler was going to attack,even when he was told by the spy Richard Sorge before the attack


You still cannot really blame him for the deaths that were caused due to that poor decision, though, that rests solely on Hitler and his party. That is the thing I hate about rabid anti-Communists, rather than sticking to logical criticisms of things that were true, they start to jump to illogical arguments based on bias propaganda from hacks like Conquest. Stalin only killed more than Hitler if you blame him for many deaths caused by the Nazi war machine and the Great Soviet Famine (which luckily my country doesn't accept the illogiocal anti-Semitic-inspired idea that the ''Holodomor'' was man-made) which is preposterous.

This same butcher who siogned a pact with Hitler pre war.
- Big-Al

Again an illogical criticism influenced not by logic or truth but by extreme anti-Communism. Molotov signed a non-aggression pact that threatened war with the Third Reich if they crossed over into areas that Soviet claimed where their sphere of influence. Ignoring the fact that the USSR suggested a war with Nazi Germany years before the actual war started, they were not the first to sign neutrality pacts. Poland was the first (which didn't really help them) but another country that signed a neutrality pacts was the UK who also pretty much sold Czechoslovakia to them.





Formerly KingAngantyr

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How about the secret protocols in the Molotov-Von Ribbentrop pact that split Poland between Germany and the USSR, before the Germans invaded? And that after this pact was signed, they negotiated other pacts. Then there's the NKVD and the Gestapo, touring one another's gulags and concentration camps (although it is true, Hitler learned more from Stalin than the other way around, since the gulags began in the late 20s.)

And you don't 'believe' that the Ukranian famine was manmade? What hellhole of a country ARE you from?

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The most monstrous tyrant in human history.

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