school ties vs dead poets society
i like them both, they are both well writen, acted and shot.
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would have been cool if they could so a swap, lol i can dream hahaha
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I think DPS was a little better because it didn't go for the happy ending but the life goes on ending. This film had to have justice prevail the right way.
shareDead Poets Society annoys me. Especially the scene where Sean William Scott kills himself. It's like "Oh no, daddy says I have to go to med school and I can't be an actor. My life is over! I'm going to off myself! It's the only way." Really? I wish I had problems like that.
shareLuckily, we know he never killed himself, but had to go back to high school in the 90s under the alias "Stifler".
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It was Robert Sean Leonard who played Neal in DPS. He killed himself because he felt he couldn't stand up to his dad demanding that he become a doctor.
shareYeah I meant that guy. They both have Sean in their name and get billed with their full name. So anyway, yeah you proved my point. He felt he couldn't stand up to his father demanding that he become a doctor, so he kills himself? Are you serious? These are the problems we had in the 80's? I can see killing himself if his father continually beat the crap out of him, or molested him, etc. But daddy says, you're going to become a doctor so you kill yourself? Unless you are rich and white, you cannot possibly sympathize with his character. Which is why DPS is a BS film.
shareI don't think it was just because he couldn't be an actor. It was the whole way his father kept controlling his entire life. He told him what classes to take, what extracurricular activities he could be a part of, where he was going to school, what he would major in...everything. And when he pulled him out of a school he loved just because he had been in a play, he couldn't take it anymore. I didn't think it was to unrealistic. I knew a kid in high school who killed himself because he didn't get into the college he wanted. Neil was a troubled kid with an unhappy home life.
shareSorry I replied again. Forgot that I corrected you before.
share"These are the problems we had in the 80's?"
DPS was set in late 50s, buddy. I was their same age. Life was beautiful and full in those days, But parents expectations were more respected then than now.
DPS is not BS, rather you are.
Gott ist tot.
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Nothing to do with being an actor, and everything to do with the fact that his father micromanaged his life to the point where he literally could do *nothing* other than what his parents told him he was going to do.
shareThat was Robert Sean Leonard, playing Neal in DPS. The reason he kills himself is that his father destroyed his dream of wanting to be an actor and he couldn't stand up for himself so he decided to destroy his father's dream of him becoming a doctor. I wish you did have problems like that and you killed yourself.
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Hey now, play the ball not the man!
I think both movies suffered a little from heavy-handedness. ST had an obvious, if laudable, anti-bigotry message. In DPS as at least one critic pointed out Neil was a straight-A student so his father could have no rational objection to his extracurricular activities: it was an obvious bit of manipulation (not that it couldn't happen but it established the baddie rather simplistically).
I wondered a bit about Mr Keating: Mr Carpe Diem doesn't do much to stick up for his student when the chips are down (saying to one of the kids "Don't make it any worse than it already is" seemed a cop-out especially given what happened, not that he would know it was going to).
What about "Scent Of A Woman"? That also took place at a prep school.
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While David does triumph, I never really got the impression the "ending," which in a way was a beginning, was all that happy. Yes, his name was cleared but he will still have to face the same hostility from the same students. And now some of them might even be more irrationally hostile because he's still there and and Dillon is gone.
It is happy for him because his honor is re-established for him and he determines that he doesn't care about all of them. He's there for an education and, by golly, he's going to get one.
There's something here that doesn't make sense. Let's go and poke it with a stick.-Doctor Who