I don't know if im the only one who thinks Randy actually loved Slade and wanted to be felt loved too. I think he was disappointed that his uncle who he looked up to had become a lost soul and he was just venting out of anger. Also add to that the fact that slade said he should go down on his wife.
shareWell I'm not sure. By his own admission Frank has never been any good and I wonder if Randy actually ever knew a lovable side let alone any qualities to look up to.
I've had a lot of sobering thoughts in my time Del Boy, it's them that started me drinking!
What I didn't like in the scene is that the boy's starting to defend Slade, who's being 10000% dоuchebag аsshоle with no possibility of redemption. Randy's reaction was MORE than appropriate. Defending Slade in that situation was not fair.
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What I didn't like in the scene is that the boy's starting to defend Slade, who's being 10000% dоuchebag аsshоle with no possibility of redemption. Randy's reaction was MORE than appropriate. Defending Slade in that situation was not fair.
Yeah, the Colonel I know wouldn't have attacked Randy. They should've had him take his medicine like a man.
shareFrank does "take it like a man." He only attacks Randy after Randy unrepentantly disrespects his friend ("You get the point.... Chuckie?")
shareYes, absent Slade's much worse offenses, Randy would be considered a dick. But Slade brought that on himself. A real man, with real character, would've admitted it, and apologized to Charlie for bringing that on, not that Charlie was even offended. Instead, Slade physically attacks his own nephew in his own brother's home. Slade said it himself when he left, "I'm no good." He meant it. He couldn't help himself. But that was true of the situation had he limited his offenses to mere words. I would've liked to think of Slade as at least being decent enough not to get physical like that.
shareSorry just to clarify are you suggesting Frank's behaviour towards Randy justifies Randy's impertinence to Charlie and Frank was therefore required to apologise to Charlie?
We have to show the world that not all of us are like him: Henning von Tresckow.
Justifies? No. But it's understandable. And pales in comparison to Frank's boorish behavior. The bigger man pulls Charlie aside and apologizes for pulling him into their issues. Both men owed him that.
shareI understand your point I'm just not sure I agree. Frank was ready to leave and Randy decided to continue provoking him. In fact up until the time Randy disrespected Charlie for the second time Frank seemed quite placid and even came across defeated.
We're all responsible for our own actions; maybe Charlie should have minded his own business?
We have to show the world that not all of us are like him: Henning von Tresckow.
Charlie wasn't even offended. And, if he was, Frank is the last person at that table to do something about it. His offenses were far worse. Yet, everybody else acted like an adult. But at the very first sign of pushing back, Frank gets physical. He can dish it out but he sure can't take it. That is one of the worst traits a man can exhibit. Sure, Frank was an ass, but until that point, a lovable one.
shareHe can dish it out but he sure can't take it.But at that point the insult was being directed at Charlie what has Frank 'not taking it' got to do with how Randy was treating Charlie? Frank wasn't obliged to take it. I think Frank is as you say an uncouth, boorish man. Randy had no reason to take that out on Charlie. I'm sorry I'm a man on man kind of guy. Randy was using a poor kid he didn't even know, a guest at his fathers table, to get at Frank. That makes him a bully and that's the worst trait a man can have. I'd take a boor over a bully any day!
Yeah, I'm not so sure that Frank's attack wasn't more about the truth Randy was getting to than his disrespect to Charlie. After all, the worst Randy did to Charlie was to call him Chuckle. A dickish move, to be sure, but hardly a bully. Especially when Charlie proved his mettle by not taking offense. Charlie saw what was going on and he knew it wasn't between him and Randy. Nobody at that table felt for Charlie, nor did they need to. It was Frank the boor and Frank the bully. And we expect that. And if it was some stranger truly disrespecting Charlie then I would commend his behavior. But not at that table. That was low even by Frank's standards, which he even admitted to leaving. I just wish he wasn't quite that low.
shareNonsense watch the scene back. Frank didn't give two hoots about Randy's version of the truth and by his own admission he knew he was no good. But at this point we're starting to see Frank's growing respect for someone. By the way Randy called him Chuckie, not chuckle, a name many consider a condescending term for Charlie unless between friends.
Frank had already conceded, he asked Charlie the time and was prepared to leave. Randy wouldn't leave it. Even when he called Frank a 'blind a55hole' (after his dad told him to leave it) he just sat there and took it. Frank had already reminded him not to disrespect Charlie by calling him Chuckie but Randy chose to do so anyway. He wanted to provoke!
Have you ever known somebody who's suffered from depression so badly their only thought is of liquor and suicide? Somebody who's seen kids blown up in front of their eyes? I'm not excusing his boorish behaviour but he was willing to let things set until Randy wouldn't let it drop and stuck on Charlie.
I'd have broken his neck!
We have to show the world that not all of us are like him: Henning von Tresckow.
Oh, Frank cared about the truth. He hated being blind, and he hated himself for causing it. Randy's words cut Frank deep. Well, of course, Frank wanted to go. He had met his match. Frank was suddenly exposed, and none of his boorish antics could return the cover. Frank had no recourse but to take it. But Randy kept twisting the knife. Frank had no use for proper names in dealing with Randy's wife, but call a Charlie Chuckie, and look out! No, Frank manufactured that offense so that he could lash out at the guy telling the room how it really is. Frank's respect for Charlie showed up at Baird in the showdown with Trask. It was glaringly absent at his brother's house. That was Frank at his worst.
shareFrank had not met his match. he took Randy's insults because he hated himself but Charlie was his friend, someone that Frank had actually started to respect, so he became angry at Randy. It often happens that someone can take an insult if it's directed at them but if the insult is directed at a loved one all hell breaks loose.
"I will not be strong armed by threats against my laundry"
I tend to agree with that. It still doesn't excuse Frank's actions. He should've let Charlie fight his own battle. Short of that, he could've used his words with Randy. To resort to violence as a retort to the very same thing he was dishing out was cowardly. Frank is a lot of things, but I just didn't him to be a coward. Not like that. On facing his disability and loneliness, sure. But not in dealing with another human being, and family, no less! Frank's supposed to be better than that.
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