Hando vs. Derek


For those who have seen both Romper Stomper and American History X, I wanna know who do you guys think delivers more menacing gesture? Is it Hando or Derek?

I guess I'll put my stake on Derek, despite of his later consciousness. It's the way that he spoke that makes him a convincing yet dangerous Skinhead rather than Hando with a more erupting way. I guess it's the viciously smart type like Derek that we really should aware of. But That's me.

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True, Derek was a very smart person, which makes him even more dangerous. I don't think Hando was stupid, but he obviously wasn't as smart as Derek was. Plus Derek did do the curb stomping as well. It's hard to say, I think Hando would seem much scarier face to face, but Derek is truly someone I wouldn't want to run into. Plus, at the point in the story where Romper Stomper picks up, there were some weaknesses within Hando's gang.




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hando without a doubt, he was much more of a lunatic than derek and would never turned his back on his aryan beliefs, totally fearless. and he wasnt stupid, unlike his gang who were merely racists, he studied the whole ideoligy of it all.

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Hando and Derek are two different species.
On one side we have Hando : the smart ape, a somehow Homo Sapiens among apes, based on his insticts and from this point of view, a pretty impressive primitive intelligent guy. He reads books like Mein Kampf, but he understands it from the prespective of a primitive. He is mesmerized by it like a monkey is mesmerized by fire.
On the other hand we have Derek: A very disturbed lad, but still, a Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Derek is just angry. By his fury he's able to create an ideology. But he's no primitive. He is nothing like his followers. His actions are a psychological refection of his anger.

I'll put my money on Hando in a fight arena. Although Derek has his charming style, there is nothing like the primitives.

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I think Hando was much more menacing.

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Hando never uses a gun;he keeps it Skinhead.

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You are trying too hard. Fail.

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"On one side we have Hando : the smart ape, a somehow Homo Sapiens among apes, based on his insticts and from this point of view, a pretty impressive primitive intelligent guy. He reads books like Mein Kampf, but he understands it from the prespective of a primitive. He is mesmerized by it like a monkey is mesmerized by fire."

Your comment reminded me of the scene just before Hando smashes the display window to get Gabe's jacket, when Hando and Davey are, ahem, monkeying around in the mall hallway. The sounds they make are clearly simian in nature; they sound like a couple of whooping orangutans.

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Hando is a psychopath...Derek is a whiny lower-middle class kid with a chip on his shoulder. Let's end this debate...who do you think you are likely to get away with f ucking up the arse? Hando or Derek?

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Hando is a psychopath...Derek is a whiny lower-middle class kid with a chip on his shoulder. Let's end this debate...who do you think you are likely to get away with f ucking up the arse? Hando or Derek?

Well said, well said.

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well put. hando would win now but remember derek's build. however, derek used his gun whilst Hando kept it strictly old school by

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Hando. I don't see Ed Norton making' movies, writin' songs and fightin' round the world. Eh, Tugger?

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Im pretty sure that Derek was scarier. Despite him becoming good in the end, the curbstomp thing took badass to a whole new level. I know so many kids who saw that film young (Thanks to older brothers) and were forever scarred by that scene.

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Granted the bite the curb scene was ok,however im wondering are we all talking bout the same 2 films???
Hando vs derek, simple....Hando by a rather long way im afraid,my reasoning, simple, Derek wasn't smart he just grew up and embraced the pussy he is!!!
Hando was just plain HARD!!
in fact of the 2 films "AHx" was soft!

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Definately Hando.
Like others have said, he seemed more crazy when he became violent. The way he just layed into that young Korean kid at the beginning of the film, and then the other fight scenes you see him in.
A one on one fight with no weapons - Hando to win

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Well it's kind of obvious really, Derek without a doubt. If I had to choose, I would fight Derek, cuz I think Hando is more of a fighter than Derek, but Derek is so much more dangerous than Hando. Those who does not understand in what way, study up on history and you'll see what I mean.

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i felt hando was a more evil and violent person. He was a monster with no regard for emotion.

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Derek was just as much a follower as the rest of Handos gang was. Derek beliefs were simply handed down to him from his old mans preaching whereas Hando's seem to form from his own opinion by the state of the world around him. Derek should of been smarter, he was afforded a decent school education but an Aussie can tell from his speech, mannerisms Hando would of been housing commission bred and yr10 educated at the most.
In short I'd rather face Derek. Eg there would be no negotiating over a basketball court with Hando, it's his by right and will die defending it.







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"In short I'd rather face Derek. Eg there would be no negotiating over a basketball court with Hando, it's his by right and will die defending it."

Exactly. And then he'd be dead, while someone a bit smarter might figure out it's better to remain an active influence in the bigger picture than go out over a piece of blacktop.

For fear of pure physical violence, Hando is clearly the less stable of the two, and therefore the more frightening in a dark alley. However, it's people like Derek (as another poster mentioned) who are far more dangerous due to their ability to slither around influencing youth -- not just brawl in pubs and railway stations.

The effects of Hando's rage are severe and immediate; the effects of Derek's have the capacity to be far-reaching and much more insidious.

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The pro-Derek camp keep referring to his kerb stomping - let's not forget that he was hiding behind a gun when he did that. Hando never used a gun.

I would say that Hando was much more dangerous than Derek for two reasons. Firstly he had a much shorter fuse, secondly he saw violence as Plan A (it was definitley a Plan B for Derek).

There were strong similarities between the two characters, they both had that brutal charisma and in their own ways they were natural leaders.

I do not agree that Hando was less intelligent than Derek, he was just much more impulsive with a shorter fuse.

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The key to winning any fight isn't physical strength it's how far you are prepared to go to win and whether you have regard for the consequences of what damage you inflict. Who cares if Derek used a gun? That just shows he was prepared to use any means necessary and he had zero regard for the kerb muncher. Anyone who is prepared to go that far is very dangerous in a fight. I don't care how big the other guy is, a broken bottle in the face will bring him down. Derek had that cold centre of danger and ruthlessness that Hando doesn't have.

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http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llbow7YTGh1qajs6do1_500.png - After this moment it has to be him, you can never forget that stare he does during this scene, so derek has my vote.

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Hando would have raped derek in jail for pussying out of his beliefs, you cant stop a steam train with no breaks, a racist skinhead steam train that is.......

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also i dont remember derek ever being outnumbered, and still kicking arse, hando through the pub chase scene was whipping gooooks in the head with chains to the end, he aint goin to prison either, its death of mein kampf for hando wereas derek needed to find a way out for his brother who was still being a little twirp, handos little mate copped one ion the head from the cops and he still keeps his *beep* going

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would be a great fight though, derek would just end up crying after Hando smashes his balls off in a footscray bulldogs t shirt, Derek would not have even been allowed to be in handos gang, hando would have smashed a garbage can over his head for not applying his beliefs and smashing his mums jew boyfriend....... end of story russell crowe fightin round the world

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just like Chopper would have destroyed Bronson. for a man to cut his own ears off and still be smiling, thats a tough bastard, only similarity i can think of......

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How can ANYONE even entertain such absurd comparison?

Hando hands down!!!
1.- Who would you be scared off more? NOBODY can deny Hando after the beach scene, where he's drowning the girl and screaming his head off, sounding truly possessed (if that exists).
2.- When outnumbered, who came on top, and who got raped?
3.- Derek is a suburban wonderbread (see The Sopranos to know what that means) white boy who is acting out on his racist dad getting killed, and whose belief system was handed down and cannot stand a prison stretch.
4.- Hando is clearly nobody's follower (meaning his belief are truly his own), nobody alive that is. And when outnumbered and facing death didn't budge an inch.
5.- Anyone who thinks Derek's speaking skills make him more dangerous failed to see his followers/gang: bunch of losers and screw-ups. I sure didn't see anyone with an IQ over 85 being swayed by him.

Case closed.

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