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Was this film pro or anti neo nazi?


I'm having a great deal of trouble reconcilling this movie. I am a staunch opponent of militaristic conformity, racism, and unwarranted violence, yet I thoroughly enjoyed Romper Stomper. As hard as I try, I can't seem to find a political agenda within this film. It doesn't seem to support or condemn the skinhead way of life, but rather presents it objectively so that the audience may arrive at their own conclusions. The plot seems more concerned with human interaction and character development than the obvious moral issues. I respect this decision on the part of the film maker's, but find myself questioning whether or not I'm comfortable with an objective depiction of neo-nazis. This day and age, Can we really afford to depict racism in anything other than a negative light?

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The film, I think, was neither pro or anti Neo Nazi. It used the subplot of the racist Skinhead culture to add to the true plot of the story which was the relationships of people, especially in the case of Davey and Gabe. I don't think that it was the intention of Geoffery Wright to glorify Nazis or to show them as heroic people, but I do think that he was right to show them in a normal way. I mean, despite their ignorance and their disrespect for their fellow man, they are human beings, in a manner of speaking anyway. I think that the film has no real bearing on the day to day world, so I don't think that the possible misconception that this film is pro Nazi has any weight to it at all. The film ultimately showed that Nazis are doomed due to the choices that they make in their lives. They will never amount to anything if they never learn to play by the rules and get along with others. Hate is an emotion that is supposed to come and go, so when you choose to live your day to day life feeling nothing but hate, you're going to burn yourself out.

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"The film, I think, was neither pro or anti Neo Nazi. It used the subplot of the racist Skinhead culture to add to the true plot of the story which was the relationships of people, especially in the case of Davey and Gabe. I don't think that it was the intention of Geoffery Wright to glorify Nazis or to show them as heroic people, but I do think that he was right to show them in a normal way. I mean, despite their ignorance and their disrespect for their fellow man, they are human beings, in a manner of speaking anyway. I think that the film has no real bearing on the day to day world, so I don't think that the possible misconception that this film is pro Nazi has any weight to it at all. The film ultimately showed that Nazis are doomed due to the choices that they make in their lives. They will never amount to anything if they never learn to play by the rules and get along with others. Hate is an emotion that is supposed to come and go, so when you choose to live your day to day life feeling nothing but hate, you're going to burn yourself out."

very well said

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Thanks.

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Indeed. That's more or less what I'd figured, but i wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something. Regardless of one's stand on the issue of racism, you have to credit the director with having balls of steel for making a film adressing such a socially charged issue without taking a moral stance.

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I'd say neither and nor, but towards the end, anti neo Nazi.

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couldn't have said it better myself

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I feel it is true that the film was mostly an interpersonal reflection on the struggle between characters, but we have to look at the vehicles that those characters have been given to express themselves. Davey was obviously the sensitive one of the lot, and the most caring, although he longed for a gruffer exterior as evidenced in his wanted the H Youth knife and in using in the melee with the Asians. But it is also evident that Davey latter regets his act and actions. But let us look at Russell Crowe, both as the actor and as the character in this film, his gruffness is unrelenting, both in the film and off the screen, and it seems this film was a precursor for what his life and personal being would be like. It is rather eerie in a way to see this early film of Crowe's and to see how he developed in many similar roles, rough and gruff, always ready and willing to engage in a knock-down, drag-out brawl to settle any score rather than to negotiate, as Davey might prefer if given a genuine choice. And that is the Philosophical question I think this film intends to raise, for how much do we willingly just go along with the clique in the hopes of fitting in by standing out and being different, if not downright offensive and anti-establishmentarian? And at what price will any of us who join such a group willingly have the courage to break away, as Davey did when we realize that we no longer share the ideals or goals of its leaders? In a sense therefore, this was a quasi-political film, but a political film in a microcosm, and the two societies were those at war, the Skinheads and the Asians, and they might have well been the US and Al-Qaeda for all that matters. The politics of inclusion and mutual hatred are agreed, and the skinheads were shown as being almost, if not perfectly human in this film, except for the character portrayed by Russell Crowe; he was a true little Nazi to the end. He never lost the idealism or faith that he had for the "party" -- you could tell as much when he read to Gaby from "Mein Kampf" it was as if he sought to inculcate those very words into the core of his being. And that is scary, for the Russell Crowe of today isn't much different.

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It was neither (as described by other in this thread).

What I want to say though: why can we not depict racism in an objective light without taking sides? I think this is the way it should be portrayed(difficult as it may be sometimes). Let people make their own moral decisions.

If the filmmaker takes sides his story in a way becomes propaganda.

Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

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"why can we not depict racism in an objective light without taking sides?"
because the side of "racism" is obviously wrong . duh .

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Can we really afford to depict racism in anything other than a negative light?


Yes, we can.

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The film portrayed neo-nazism for what it is and how it actually occurs on the streets and lets us make up our own minds as to whether its good or bad.

I think the vast majority of people will come away with the conclusion that neo nazism isn't all that sexy, but for people who already believe in the philosophy of neo nazism may well come away with their views affirmed. The people in the second camp aren't going to suddenly change their minds and give up their beleifs simply because some indie film preaches that neo nazism is bad.

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no we cant

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LOL!
ashley2887, you're a pretty sad being. But you probably know that. That's why you became a Nazi and desided not only to *beep* up your own live but the live of others as well, if needed. Good job. Your parents should be proud of you.

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well I remember the filmstart and I must confess that I lost couple friends after it ( they went to the neonazi scene ) I would rather prohibit such kind of films simply because 13-18 years kids would misunderstand the simple ideas provided by the film :-/

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Thats why the movie should be not shown to minors. Goddamn.

The whole plot would have worked too with any other subculture (for example punks ) but none of them has the same violent touch like the skinheads. Though i hate that in most movies skinhead are used as archetype for neonazism...everyone who knows a little about the history of the skinheads knows that a "real" skinhead cannot be a racist. Well...everyone whos is interested can find more then enough material on skins on the Internet and who the whole thing went down the drain.

enough said. The movie at all is neither pro- nor anti-nazi....its just a damn good piece of work and in my eyes even better then American History X...where a 100 % Neo-Nazi is "rescued" from the dark side of the force.... this does not work this way....at least when his brother gets killed by the kids in school he will return in his old behaviour......but thats another story

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I'd hardly regard 18 as too young, since the highest rating for a film (in this country at least) is an 18. If you're still that easily influenced by a film at that age then perhaps there's no safe age.

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Neither, just happen to be about them

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There's no e in Nazi's dumb ass. And by the way, is it possible for you put up a post with out obscenities?


"Buy the ticket, take the ride!" -Hunter S. Thompson

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is it possible for you put up a post with out obscenities?
Only when she's posting spam.

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The movie takes place in Footscray, a suburb of Melbourne, Australia.


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Thank you, gonzoforsherriff. That was well said.

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You're welcome.


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Of course this film is anti neo-nazi, because its made obvious that their actions, motives and lifestyle can't sustain itself. Just because the director didn't ram anti-nazism down our throats for 90 minutes doesn't mean that the film is completely void of opinion. The characters (Hando and friends) are portrayed in a very humanistic way, and we feel bad for them, sometimes laugh at them but their actions are certainly not portrayed humanistically and rightfuly so, because their whole attitude is horrible. The director relies on his audience to be intelligent enough to understand that. The neo nazis in the film are as human as we are, but what they do is unacceptable and unsustainable. I thought the message was delivered well.

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I need to watch this again, because I was really expecting to learn a lesson from this movie and the objectivity really made it hard for me to focus on the other elements which deserve more focus.

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spot on

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happyheads right, asians are here and so are the skinheads, movie just showing how they interact

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By saying you want to depict racism only in a negative light, you are exhibiting a disturbingly fascist trait for one who claims to oppose such things.

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You are 100% right chowdhmi, there's nothing worse than an anti-fascist fascist because they are the ones who make nazis think they are right.

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