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Lies,lies

posted 18 years ago by nenue
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This movie is such a crock. It tries to make the Americans look like a bunch of jack-booted thugs and falls on its face, if you know anything about the incident
For instance, it shows pictures of a single corpse from different angles to "show" that hundreds if not thousands were killed in the invasion. There's one shot of a decomposed body which the narration states was of a person run over by a tank, and then a half-hour later they show the same body and say that it was dug out of a mass grave. There's also mention of people being taken away "by soldiers" and later found slain, implying that the soldiers were Americans, when it was a fact that many Panamanian military units wore uniforms and equipment identical to that wore by US fighters.

[–] will7370 18 years ago

A much more honest and informative documentary was done by PBS on their NOVA TV show sometime in 1990. I cannot remember the name. Good luck finding a copy of it, though. NOVA used to list a synopses of it in their web page program archives, but it has since been removed. Perhaps too many Panama vets were requesting copies of it. It's really strange because they list a synopses of every other show they have done clear back to 1974. If anyone remembers the title of this NOVA program on Just Cause, or knows how I can get a copy of it, please email me at [email protected]

[–] Blacky2 17 years ago

Perhaps the problem is more that no journalists were allowed to take any footage of the victims, during and after the invasion, so of course some of the footage is repeating itself. It does not take much to understand what is happening. This documentary is simply amazing; no wonder why it was ban to be show in the US. No madder what you may think, at the end the US government succeeded and today the Canal is now under total US control, and Panama is one of the poorest country in central America.
BRAVO!

[–] Gurnir 17 years ago

Panama is not one of the poorest countries in central america, if im not wrong i think it is the best one financially

[–] jeannine615 17 years ago

panama is actually one of the richest countries in central america.. and the canal is under panamanian control..

[–] xavi918 17 years ago

"No madder what you may think, at the end the US government succeeded and today the Canal is now under total US control, and Panama is one of the poorest country in central America. BRAVO!"

You crack me up dude. You're retarded. Panama ain't the poorest and the canal is under Panamanian control.

Shout out to my baby girl Brittany! I LOVE YOU!

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[–] xrongor 17 years ago

you're 14. so you werent even born when the invasion happened. the history you have been taught is the one forced upon you by the american installed government. the same pack of lies the american people were/are told.

if panama is so well off how come you only cite how american businesses are expanding there?

since panama has no army since the invasion by the US, it controls nothing. especially not something as important to world trade as the panama canal.

"in this world there's two kinds of people ... those with loaded guns, and those who dig."

[–] augusto-sellhorn 17 years ago

"if panama is so well off how come you only cite how american businesses are expanding there?"

There's plenty of non-US businesses flourishing in Panama. There's also a lot of Chinese involvement, which was pretty controversial from the point of view of the US.

"since panama has no army since the invasion by the US, it controls nothing. especially not something as important to world trade as the panama canal."

The Panama Canal is completely controlled by Panama. The US actually did a great job of mixing US and Panamanian employees years before the transition, and it went by smoothly. Heck, the US was upset because the contract for the ports was given to a Chinese company instead of the US, and you are saying the US still has control of it.

"in this world there's two kinds of people ... those with loaded guns, and those who dig."

Best thing that happened to Panama was to get rid of its military. It's not practical and the whole fiasco with Noriega happened because of the military overpowering the civilian authorities. Just like Costa Rica, Panama can do well without having to have a military in place.

[–] xrongor 16 years ago

i just dont believe that somehow american business comes in = well off.

as for the control comment, i meant it in a more general sense. to say panana controls the canal would imply that they could tell the US they couldnt use it if they wanted to. that they could stop and search american ships using it. things like that. that would be real control.

i certainly wouldnt argue that panama should have a military. but imho the transfer of the canal to panama is just a paper certificate and has no meat.

"in this world there's two kinds of people ... those with loaded guns, and those who dig."

[–] CoSMiGoNoN 13 years ago

I'm from Panama and was 15 when the invasion ocurred. That said, I think Panama is the richest country in Central America. It's not only Americans but Chinese, European that are investing heavily in Pma.

Panama does control the canal, I'll tell you how:

There is nobody from the US calling the Panama Canal Authority and telling them what to do. The canal is run by Panamanians and all the profits go to the Panama. In fact the Panamanian voted and decide to build an third set of locks, and all the work is being done and directed by Panamanians.

Regarding the US, the canal treaty has a neutrality clause that compromises both Pma and the US and Panama to guarantee it, meaning that if the neutrality of the canal is threatened, the US must intervene to save it, since let's face it, Panama is too small of a country to try to stop any foreign invasion, so the US is in charge of that.

You should try to know what you're talking about before posting, it kinda helps.

[–] Brendan3 17 years ago

It wasn't banned in the US. It was released theatricly in the US and later on home video. Why would you make that up? Sort of like the film makers who twisted facts of regarding the invasion just to fit their preconceived notions.

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[–] Brendan3 17 years ago

Strange. I had replied to a comment written by another poster who had claimed the movie was banned in the US. I guess things got shuffled around by the moderators on this board. The thread accusing the US of banning the film seems to have been deleted and my reply comment written back in May was moved here out of chronological order. My comment was not directed at you or any one else in this thread.

[–] gekarlin 17 years ago

Noriega worked as a career soldier and a CIA asset even though he commited crimes on a large scale, crimes the CIA had to know about. He supported pro-american troops in South America (many of whom where later found to have commited huge atrocities) and USA didnt respond until 1989.

[–] tomx1000 14 years ago

the CIA probably worked with him because bad people tend to know about the whereabouts and activities of other bad people. If the CIA only associated with decent folks, it would fail flatly.