jonathan brandis
I am sorry to hear he passed away.Will miss you.
shareHe more than just "passed away". He killed himself. Too bad he decided to ruin the lives of everyone around him. What a waste.
shareUm. Roscojim, it isn't clear how he died yet. . . .
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and also, u have no idea what was going on with him...its kind of overused but really true: u don't know what someone else is feeling unless u walk in there shoes.....so please don't be ignorant and say something like that
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It wasn't a shame when Hitler died.
People who kill themselves (minus the elderly & Hitler) are extremely selfish, but they are also screwed up in the head.
It's still very sad and I hate when people sh*t on someone else's lamenting.
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Well alot of people think that the eldery or terminally ill should be allowed the right to end their lives. (I'm kinda divided on the issue, myself).
But, I personally think it's sad and frustrating when someone especially young, who still has life ahead of them, takes their own life. I also think it's selfish, too, but mostly sad.
And it angers me when someone doesn't allow sadness over it because it was a "suicide", and because a person took their own life, their death doesn't deserve lamenting, just anger.
I agree with MisterLJ...people who commit suicide are selfish. ILL people who are dying pray to live longer, while these people who are on drugs or just "depressed" kill themselves.
Being a millionaire and having anything he wants must've drove him over the edge.
Being a millionaire and having anything he wants must've drove him over the edge.
Wow, you suck. You've got a lot of nerve to judge people that you don't even know. Sure, I don't agree with suicide either but you don't understand people's conflicted emotions when they're at that point of giving up so you have no right to say things like that. share
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how can you compare Hitler to Jonathon Brandis?
people are messed up.
Um, I wasn't comparing Hitler to Jonathon Brandis.
You need to reread the message along with the one who posted above me.
Yeah, his post had nothing to do with comparing Hitler to Brandis...don't you love it when you mention 2 things in a post that have nothing to do with eachother but someone has to make a post about how sick you are for mentioning them, eventhough one has nothing to do with the other? I love idiots.
shareI heard Jonathan Brandis hated Jews. And that he loved Wagner.
"I want everything I've ever seen in the movies."
-Leo Bloom, The Producers
guido!! you crack me up!... anyway, i just wanted to ask if there was an actual website or article that said the events in which he died. i looked around in my areas, but i couldn't find anything that mentioned it. (then again i wasn't looking too hard...) cause maybe that would help solve a few arguments around here...
shareOne of his best friends was Jewish.
shareUm. I can understand why you say that but a lot of suicidal people think they are doing someone a favor. They also think they are a huge burden to everyone around them. And screwed up in the head? It's an illness. I think you need to get your facts straightened out.
shareWhat are you talking about? Screwed up in the head is the same thing as saying they are mentally ill, we're saying the same thing.
And whether they think they are doing other people a favor at the time, I don't know, we can't put ourselves in their shoes, but overall, from our perspective, it's selfish. It's sad and I wish people could get the help they need beforehand. I understand how sometimes the world can be too much for someone, but we have to get through things in life. Sometimes they look for other ways to get the help, like drugs (IE Elliott Smith, who I will miss forever). Ultimately, they don't really think how their action will effect the people who ARE living. I think these people get lost inside their own heads too much, and I'm speaking from experience, of being suicidal/depressed.
You know what mister littlejeans you are exactly right. We cannot put ourselves in other people's shoes, therefore,since we can't how can you possible say that this boy's actions were selfish when you have no idea what was going in his life or through his head at the time. Don't get me wrong I feel that there are other alternatives to suicide and deep down I wish someone could have reached him in time to prevent this tragedy. But I wouldn't dare pass judgement on him when I don't know him or his situation. How can you be angry by his death? This young man is now deceased and it doesn't matter if he commit suicide, died in a car accident, or of natural causes his death should be mourned. You said that you were speaking from experience of being suicidal/depressed, well congradulations I am glad that you were able to overcome this illness but you must remember that everyone is unique and different and not everyone is as strong as you are. Man I am not trying to attack you at all, so please don't take offense, I just hope you understand where I am coming from.
"Judge not unless yee wants to be Judge."
R.I.P Jonathon
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem...
shareWhere did I say I was angry?
All I've said on this board is that A) It's terribly sad people kill themselves and others should be allowed to mourn it (I said that earlier, because someone was putting another person down).
And B) I do think it's selfish and I'll continue to stand by that. I'm not at all angry, just frustrated if anything (which I've already mentioned, I think). Whatever was going on his head or Elliott Smith's or Kurt Cobain's, etc, it doesn't matter. I think it's tragic that they could not get help and yeah, we can't stand in there shoes, but from MY point of view, of someone who IS living, I think it's selfish because they couldn't get outta their own heads, they were only thinking about themselves, not how their death will affect others, which they had control over (it's not like someone hit them with a car or they died in a plane crash, they controlled this, they killed themselves).
But again, I think they deserve mourning, of course I do. They are gone from our lives, and that's awful, no matter what the circumstances as you said. And no offense taken, I just hope you understand I'm not being cold-heart or anything, it just seems we have a difference of opinion. :)
Having had these thoughts several times throughout life, I can tell you that, while actually selfish to those who care, it is rarely the perspective of the person considering/committing suicide. I concluded, myself, that it wouldn't be fair to parents or true friends...however, that's one of the only reasons I'm still here to talk about it. Being subject to over-analysis, and having looked at suicide from many angles, I can tell you that there's nothing very logical about it. While the mentally-sound people surrounding the troubled ones may try to make sense of the suicidals' thoughts, it is a pointless endeavor. It becomes a moot point, then, to call suicide "selfish"...if the suicidal person does not realize that others will be hurt at least as much as her/himself, I'd question whether it truly is still selfish. I have tried to analyze the causes/sources of suicidal (depressive) thoughts and still come up empty. They occurred in spite of the fact that I had plenty to eat, reliable shelter, friends, a caring family, etc. I avoided doing something unfortunate for two main reasons: 1. I do care about those around me 2. I believe that I'm meant to do something important in life. Most do not consider point #1 because they have too many confusing/conflicting thoughts in their heads and few are as stubborn, or overly-analytical, as I am. I'm still depressed, probably clinically (as it's been 3+ years), but I am hanging in there.
As for the snide comments (made by others) such as "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem..." and "they are messed up in the head", these people show a distinct lack of imagination and good sense. Yes, it often is a temporary problem...but, not always (and, consider how serious a root problem must be for someone to resort to suicidal tendencies). Generalities are especially dangerous in these situations. "Messed up in the head"?!? Of course they/we are! But, what an insensitive way to put it!
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thehotttrock, you may be the BIGGEST idiot I ever encountered on imdb in the past 6 years since I'm using it. congrats!
"Empire Records, open 'til midnight".
Um, what have you contributed here except to "insult" me?
This conversation is 5 years old, done and over. Please don't bother me (including sending Private Messages.)
1. People come here to read what great minds such as yours have to say, not only to 'contribute'.
2. Yes, your commentaries are 5 year old. I can only hope you've evolved since then though I wouldn't hold my breath.....
"Empire Records, open 'til midnight".
one it wasnt a shame hitler died it was a good thing. hes is lucky he killed himself cause he should have gotten worse. and its not selfish to kill yourself. obviously there is something wrong with you if you kill yourself. there something not right in your head. you would have to be in so much pain and agony to kill yourself so how could that be selfish to, who would it be selfish. its their life they can do what they want to do.
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How is it selfish to kill yourself? You're ending your life. You'll never see your family, friends or anyone ever again.
Sounds pretty self-AGONIZING to me.
Anybody who says suicide is selfish and people shouldn't be mourned if they killed themselves has never experienced severe depression or suicidal ideation.
You haven't felt it. So don't you dare label it. You have no right to call suicide ANYTHING derrogatory.
(This remark is for mister littlejeans and his first posting. You know, the JERK).
I have NEVER heard such a STUPID remark!
Yeah, maybe they are "screwed up" in the head, but selfish? Wow, you are a VERY ignorant individual. So just because a person commits suicide, they are selfish? Oh, wait, only if they aren't an elderly person or Hitler. Tell me, mister littlejeans, what qualifies as an elderly person? Because it looks to me that with your VERY low maturity, you will never grow wise enough to become a wise elderly person. Or you may never live to see those days because of your snide remarks. It's because of people like you that many suicides are over. GET A LIFE!
Um, why are you attacking my maturity level when it's obvious you don't understand what I'm referring to? How does maturity level even factor into this? Stop making assumptions. And how can you say I need a life when you are replying to a message I posted months ago?
Regardless, there are some people in this country who believe assisted-suicide should be legal (it is legal in a couple states, already, I believe). Some elderly people reach a point where they are extremely sick and in pain and don't believe they have a chance to get better and want to end it by their own hands. That's all I was referring to. I don't even know if I agree with it. But I was just stating it.
I don't think I was being snide at all. I think you misread my posts because I was actually DEFENDING someone's right to mourn Brandis' death. I think it was terribly sad this happened. And guess what? I still think it's selfish (if you read through my other post, you can see my explanation).
But why do people on these web boards feel the need to attack someone personally if they don't understand or agree with another person's opinions?????!
Sorry (really, I am), I was just trying to get your attention, which I did! Wow, what a jerk I look like now! Maybe I should take my foot out of my mouth....
I don't think you're stupid, I just was trying to make my post sound "stronger," if you know what I mean.
Why would anyone leagalize assisted-suicide? I don't agree with it. I don't agree with suicide either, but I certainly don't think of suicidals as being selfish. Maybe I did misread your posts because I got the feeling you were saying that it's not such a terrible thing, what happened. I was just being defensive because I know people who have committed suicide. I thought I did understand your posts, but I guess not. But now, you've made yourself clear and I can see your point.
Yeah, I think suicide a horrible thing; I was really bummed out to hear he died and I don't think suicide makes anyone less deserving of a proper mourning, that it makes a person less worthy.
I guess I'm just arguing over the action as being selfish or not. And believe me, I seem to entirely be in the minority. :) I brought this up again with a friend of mine tonight and we both got into a heavy discussion about it. He completely disagreed with me.
How freaking rude, you must not understand suicide, you're a waste.
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