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Every once in a while, I'll catch this crapfest on one of the chick channels. What always strikes me about it is, how pissy all of the charcters seem to be to one another. Like the oldest daughter ignoring that the little girl was upset over the kittens (and what was up with just throwing the little things in the trash can because they were deformed?)and shoving her freshly birthed spawn into the child's face...the whole flick is just weird from beginning to end. All the scenes are disjointed and none of them seem to match.

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The real person the dad's character was based on was nothing like that. He was fully aware of and aknowledged all the freaky stuff that was going on.

What really freaked me out was the shadow people they would see darting in the hall. Ugh.
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I agree and that's a really good point. I know I don't like being mocked and treated like I don't know what I'm talking about. I can't see that aspect of my personality changing in the great beyond.

The book also went into the theory of posession of spirits and people. They started getting the sense that maybe demons or the devil was responsible. Now *that* really freaks me out.

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They started thinking it was both, that evil forces were tormenting the spirits which were in turn tormenting the living. The book just got stranger and stranger towards the end.
I hope you can find it and read it. The copy I obtained was through the local library.

It's been a while since I've seen Grave Secrets, so I can't remember if they touched on family members and neighbors literally going insane, cussing and beating the crap out of each other for no reason and with no prior history of that kind of behavior. That sure sounds more like demonic posession than just haunting to me. How freaky is that to have both things going on at once? -Gulp-




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"They believe that its demons imitating the dead"

I'd never heard that theory, that *really* scares the crap out of me. :-O

I bet that's why so many people freak out messing around with ouija boards.


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Okay, I caught this movie this past weekend. I'd also seen it a loooooong time ago but had forgotten about it. It's kind of along the same lines...

The Haunted (1991) (TV)

Really freaky! :-O

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Yes, the Poltergeist film came first, but it sure is a strange coincidence.

Wouldn't that be awful, to move (which is very stressful and expensive on it's own) to get away from something like that and have it follow you? Ugh:-(
I've seen at least two shows on the Discovery Channel about that happening to other families. That sure sounds like more than just a haunting to me!

Demon stuff scares the crap out of me, I *STILL* freak out every time I see the Exorcist :-O

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I know, it is nice to have a conversation about the paranormal without being labled a kook :-)

In the book, the constructions workers did know that those were graves and one of the grave diggers tried to tell the developers what they were building on. Needless to say it fell on deaf ears (never under estimate the power of the almighty $$$).

One of the construction workers also hinted to the family before they moved in what was going on, but he apparently had a drinking/drug problem and the way he interacted was off-putting, so they chalked it up to his problems talking rather than reality.


All of the Exorcist movies freaked me out (even part two). Especially the way their eyes looked, EEEEEEK! Something about those eyes really got next to me. They say the eyes are the windows to the soul, so I guess it would make sense. Have you ever noticed someone with "dead eyes" or "mean eyes"? And it's not just humans. I had the misfortune to see a rabid racoon this past summer and I will *never* forget the look in the poor creature's eyes. This kind of sick insanity...and sadly I've seen that in human eyes, too. :-(

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I'm sure the developers will get theirs if they haven't already. I've seen rotten people get their come uppance. And I've had my own, to be honest. Something will happen and I'll stop and think, "maybe since I did that, this is happening to me, now. Wow, I sure won't do *that* again" LOL:-)

That's a really good point about all these books and shows etc. being so popular, but if you bring up anything about the paranormal, the sound of crickets, blank stares and everybody backing out of the room happens. Obviously someone (besides us) is reading these books and watching these shows or they wouldn't be produced.

I've read the Exorcist and I've seen documentaries about the actual case the book was based on. It was actually a 12 year old boy who was um, "unusually close" to his aunt who then died, if I remember correctly. I've also seen and read some articles about Annaliese, who the Exorcism of Emily Rose was based on. The sounds that girl made and the photos really freaked me out. It sure didn't look like just epilepsy and anorexia to me.

I'd like to read the aticle you found so please do post that link :-)


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The documentary never came right out and said what unusually close meant, but it was implied that there was a sexual nature to their relationship. I don't know if they actually had intercourse with one another or some other inappropriate interaction. They also talked about the aunt's preoccupation with the supernatural and her introducing the boy to that. It's been a long time since I've seen the documentary. TLC/Discovery will probably trot it back out on the air again. If I see it's coming on, I'll let you know. I think National Geographic also made something about the case, too.
I seem to recall that the boy had absolutely no memory of his ordeal, that may be why he feels no fear? I don't really know. Some people are just better at blocking things out and never letting them back in than others. If something like that happened to me, I'd probably be in the loony bin for the rest of my life, eeeek! :-O

Thanks for those links, I'm going to check them out! I've done other research on the prairieghosts site, so I'm familiar with it and have always enjoyed it in the past:-)



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Okay, I just finished reading the article and wow. Just wow...

They didn't mention anything about an inappropriate relationship between the boy and aunt, but I swear on that documentary it was mentioned, albeit briefly.

When I read this part I nearly jumped out of my chair and ran from the room:

He said that the boy glared into his eyes. He said that at that moment he was terrified and that some of the boys began saying aloud the Lord’s Prayer and Hail Mary. He said that he was so frightened by the boy's eyes that he could not sleep for many nights.


There were things the article discussed that the boy could do that I consider supernatural. For example, I know I don't have uncanny accuracy when I throw up, LOL. But seriously there were so many things that can't be explained away. And if this was all just some sort of mental illness or pyschosis, it wouldn't just go away and stay away without lifelong medication and constant medical monitoring.

The other freaky thing was locking the room in the hospital and never using it again or even opening it until a wrecking crew was demolishing the building. (how would you like to buy *that* furniture at a yard sale?) That's something else that's always weirded me out. Locking up or walling off rooms, halls, wings of buildings etc. while the rest of the structure is still in use. Knowing it's still there, still usable, but it's not being used. That just sounds like ghost city.

I thought of yet another movie along these same lines that was based on a true story *and* scared the crap out of me, The Entity.




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Yes, that would be pretty heinous if it was true. I wasn't personally trying casting shade, just relaying what was discussed on the documentary. Maybe they were implying that if that was going on it may have set the stage for the posession?


I don't know if he told his kids or not. How would you bring something like that up? "You know, back in the day I was possesed by the devil". That's a lot to unload on a kid. They may have no idea their dad was the child the Exorcist was based on. I don't think I would tell anybody about something like that :-(



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I was tooling around in the prairie ghosts site yesterday, (I hadn't been there in a while) and found a lot of great info/leads on different topics. I'd forgotten how nifty that site is.

Another one is ViewZone. Granted, they're kind of whack nutty along the same vein as Fate magazine, but they still have some pretty interesting topics that I wouldn't have known about other wise. I'll see something that catches my interest read about it there and then start researching other places. I use it almost like a "gateway site". You might find it of some interest, too :-)

http://www.viewzone.com/


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Ohhhh, the Jersey Devil is an excellent one and there's a lot of info about it online. I've also seen several things about it (once again) on TLC/Discovery channels. Evidently the Pine Barrens is a freaky place to begin with, but throw that critter in, eeeek!

Spring Heel Jack is another strange story kind of along those same lines. Mothman comes to mind as well.

Anything about haunted houses and my interest is there! Summerwind is the latest I've researched a bit. This is their official site:

http://summerwindmansion.com/index.html

ViewZone also should have a story about an Elgin Illinois haunted house archived somewhere. Now *that* was another strange story. There was supposed to be a book about that coming out, but I've yet to find it.

Bigfoot fascinates me, too.

I know, I know, I sound like a total whacknut, but I'm really not. I've always been fascinated with the paranormal. Do you remember that old show, In Search Of? I watched that show religiously as a child, that's probably what sent me in the paranormal direction.





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Oh my gosh, I look at that New Jersey site all the time, too! And that state does seem to have a lot of interesting things and places going on. I also like looking at the sites that explore abandoned places (Lost Destinations is a great one and is jampacked with things about New Jersey). I think it's because it's A)a very old state with a lot of history (compared to other states) B)so varied in it's geography and demographics. It has wilderness *and* very urban areas. It's coastal and has mountains, swamps etc. Just a little bit of everything...

I have no idea what on earth the Jersey Devil could be, that one stumps me. The story of it being the 13th child of a colonial woman sure puts it back a ways though. It would be pretty old if it's the original creature.

Sci Fi's new investigative show (can't remember the name) recently did the Mothman. You could tell right away who had really seen it and who was full of crap-ola. I don't know wht scares me worse, the red glowing eyes or the gi-normous size the thing is supposed to be. But the people who had really seen it all the way back in the 60's and 70's were still scared half to death of it.
I've seen a few episodes of the new In Search Of and have really enjoyed the ones I've seen.

Spring Heeled Jack was a booger man that terrorized London for close to 100 years. He could supposedly jump over fences or buildings at great heighths (hence the nick name Spring Heeled Jack). Anyways, he got into all kinds of mischief and was never caught. That story always kind of reminded me of the Jersey Devil because they had similar modes of transportation.

I think Big Foot is very real. Man hasn't chopped down every single forest and satellites can't see every inch of Earth at every moment. I mean look at the Kimberly Plateau in Australia. It's not even been explored yet. No one has any idea what all is there. And I read something in the Smithsonian a few years back about explorers still finding unknown waterfalls, creeks and rivers etc in Yellowstone Park! Not to mention the Amazon. If Big Foot is even remotely intelligent (and I think he probably is) he's got plenty of places to hide and not be found. The Big Foot legend is on *every* continent, just like every culture has a great flood story. There is something to it all.
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I could spend hours looking at all the abandoned builings/houses etc. sites on the internet. They call it "Urban Exploration" although there's a lot of rural places to explore, too. Abandoned houses in the middle of nowhere fascinate me also. Sometimes I'll have dreams about wandering up to some enormous abandoned mansion in the middle of nowhere. Probably feuled by all the abondoned sites I peruse, LOL. I'm too old and chickeny to explore much myself, (getting arrested for trespassing at this age, not a good thing) but I dabbled a bit in my youth when the opportunity arose.

If Big Foot has any intelligence,I'm sure he/they go off to die somewhere remote and nature takes care of the rest very quickly. For all we know, Big Foot may even have burial rites amongst themselves.

I think the last sighting of Spring Heel Jack was in the 1920's?

Sure Nessie could exist, too. They find fish and other marine life in the deep sea that was thought to be extinct all the time. Some species survive cataclisms, so I don't see why a dinosaur like creature couldn't. Especially if it was small and in a remote area. I believe the creature you're referring to is in Africa, I've read things about that. (How insulting to the natives, like they don't know a croc or alligator from some other creature.) That area of Africa once again, has barely been explored. It's densely vegetated and swampy. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility for prehistoric creatures to live undetected. If all of their needs are being met in the enviroment in which they live, why *would* they come wandering out of the swamp? Animals don't typically suffer from wanderlust if they have plenty to eat and drink where they already are.


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I think Nessie has been sighted as far back as the Middle Ages, so she would have to be very old, indeed. I wonder how long a dinosaur's life span was? I guess depending on the critter. I've read all kinds of things about anomolies being found, human foot prints dating back 10 million years, tools and stuff like that dated to an era humans weren't even supposed to exist. Really strange stuff.

I suppose humans and dinosaurs could co-exist if the humans had a cave or something they could run and hide in. I've wondered about what the world would've looked like too, then I freak myself out and try to stop thinking about it. :-)>

Ressurection Mary, is that the one where she's hitchhiking, a car stops to pick her up and then disappears once she gets in the car? That's supposed to be an urban legend, *BUT* I've been driving and seen someone walking down the road, looked away a split second and looked back and they were gone. And there was nowhere for them to have gone. Really strange.

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*300* years! Gulp. Now that blows my mind :-0

I've always felt sorry for them going extinct, too. (Of course a T-rex running around today could sure ruin the 4th of July cookout, LOL)

Nessie has also been seen walking on land, not just in the water and if I'm not mistaken some of those sightings were in the Middle Ages. I'm trying to think of any books I've read on Nessie, but nothing is coming to mind. I've read various articles and of course seen shows on the topic, but I can't think of any books.

I'd love to see a link for Resurrection Mary, it's a really interesting topic.:-)



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Some of the land sightings have been as recent as the 1990's, I believe. People have seen the creature crossing roads and scurrying down banks, diving back into the lake. I know a lot of the water sightings are blamed on waves, drift wood and the like. But seeing Nessie cross the road can't be mistaken from anything else.

I've heard of the sea monster in the San Francisco bay. There's also a creature in the Great Lakes. I saw some footage of this guy water sking and this *enormous* snake like creature swims just beneath him. This was shot before digital cameras, photo-shop and all of that kind of stuff was available, so if it is a fake, it would've been a pretty expensive one to make.

Not long ago I saw a show on sea creatures and evidently hundereds of people in Baltimore saw a huge sea creature "frolicking" in the waters. And this was hundreds of people all at the same time.

I'm going to check those links out right now, thanks!


I live in the South East in the mountains, which have many legends and myths of their own :-)

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I think they're left from the dinosaurs, too. A creature that can live in deep water and caves could survive some cataclysmic event like an asteroid smack-down or super volcano blast if they were far enough away from the event.

I checked out all of those sites and they were great, I even read all the other stuff on them :-) That ghost pic from Bachelors Cove Cemetary has always intrigued me. There's no way a rank amatuer would get the clothing and hair from another era that dead on (pardon the pun), plus the girl/ghost looks like, I don't know, a real person instead of some actress putting on.

I live close to Tennessee and Virgina. There's lots of Cherokee legends and unsolved mysteries around the area. But I love to read about history, legends and lore from any state and other countries. Speaking of which have you seen An American Haunting, yet? I haven't but I've got it on order. The story of the Bell Witch is really scary. I know some folks from that part of Tennessee and they say it's all true, plus lots more that other people have never heard about.


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Maybe creatures like Nessie were able to survive off of deep water plankton that didn't require much or any sunlight to grow. And I know that caverns can stay the same temperature year round, even in the dead of winter. So maybe a couple of those critters got lucky and were in the right place at the right time? If the asteroid smacked down in the gulf coast, it might have been far enough away for Nessie ancestors to survive in an isolated area.


That is one of the best ghost pictures around, IMHO. She doesn't look like she's aware that the camera was around, she's looking off in another direction and she does look very sad. That pose she was in wasn't a typical pose from a "formal" picture in that era, so I don't think they photo-shopped an old photograph onto that background.


I read a lot of panning by the critics on that movie, but I still want to check it out. I worked with a man about 10 years ago who grew up in and around that part of Tennessee during the depression. Apparently there's a cave on that property which wasn't well known (I saw that fact on a show about the Bell Witch many years later, so I know he wasn't full of crapola)and people would drive their cars down by it to looksie loo. Their cars would just stop running for no reason and then they would hear laughing and disembodied voices, crazy stuff like that. He also said a reporter for one of the big TN papers tried to stay the night in it to debunk the whole story. Evidently he wasn't able to stay the entire night, he wouldn't say what happened to him and was never "quite right" again. The way the reporter was described to me, it would be the equivaltent of the Amazing Randy (pyschic/paranormal debunker extraordinaire)getting chased out of there, today.


Yes, I actually live in the mountains and it's fairly rural, although developers are taking care of that fast :-(

I've seen some great web sites on the paranormal in Kentucky. What a coincidence! I've been researching the photographer Ralph Meatyard. He photographed a lot around rural Kentucky and used abandoned homes and farms as a back drop. Really interesting stuff:-)



These links may interest you if you haven't already seen them:

http://www.abandonedbutnotforgotten.com/Kentucky.htm

http://theshadowlands.net/places/kentucky.htm

http://www.waverlyhillstbsanatorium.com/

http://www.geh.org/ne/str085/htmlsrc8/meatyard_sld00001.html

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I'm sure they did, until the bodies became so rancid they were no longer edible. I recently read the Neanderthals practiced cannibalism during times of enviromental stress. All creatures do for that matter, so I didn't really understand why that was such a revelation.

I've always wondered why ghost would hang around in a grave yard, too. But maybe that's not the only place they appear. I'm sure ghosts can travel just like the living, so maybe it's not just the graveyard they haunt. Especially if they didn't understand they were dead. The girl in that picture not only looks sad, she looks lost, too.

Some of the shows I've seen about the Bell Witch suggest she was an old girlfriend of the father, who was "thrown over" for the current wife he had. Hell hath no fury.... and all that ;-) Maybe she's just seething with so much anger and hatred that she can't let it go. I've heard people who have a deep hatred for someone say they didn't particularly feel any less angry with a person after they died.

The old man also told me freaky stories about an old witch that lived near his farm when he was a child and all the weird stuff she would do to freak the kids out eeeeek!

I've not been to Waverly Hills, either. I've just seen goo-gobs of shows and web sites about it. TB is a nasty, subversive disease and it's making a come back with more drug resistant strains.


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I don't think I've ever heard about Kate Batts, I'll have to research that.


What the man told me was she did practice some form of magic. She made potions and such and that she could see the future. The freakiest story was how he and his siblings were walking home and they ran into her at the head of the road they were traversing. She laughed and stared at them and disappeared. By the time they got to the end of the road, she was sitting in her old rickety rocker, staring and laughing. Evidently how the road was set up, it would've been impossible for to have beaten them to her house and they would've seen her running ahead, which they did not. He said she was always popping up at freaky time and places like that. Oh and she had strange eyes. Something about his stories really freaked me out, I can still remember them just about word for word to this day. :-O

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Now that you mention it, I think that does sound familiar. I think you're right, that sounds much more plausible than a "scorned woman" theory. ANd it would jibe with what my former co-worker told me, it seemed the witch was very "territorial" and haunted accordingly.

I respected him immensely and still do to this day. He was 77 years old back when I worked with him. He'd seen a lot and had been everywhere in this country. He also wasn't prone to exaggeration or flights of fancy. He told me all kinds of interesting stuff about his stints in New Orleans and that whole scene, back in the day.

I've read some about Carlos Casteneda, nothing extensive. Just enough that I know who he is and the experiments he performed. Dean Koontz has mentioned him several times in some of his novels, as I recall. And Clive Barker has had some influence as well. The thought of being able to astral project and such fascinates me. (But I wouldn't want to use the hard core drugs Carlos was known to experiment with, to do it, though)

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I don't work at the same place anymore and I don't even know if he's still alive. THat was almost 10 years ago. Geesh, where does time go? :-(

If the whole Bell Witch thing was because the old lady was mad about property, I'm sure she would hang around to chase off other "interlopers". I know how mad I get when the neighbor's dog poops in my yard or some drunken cretin throws a beer can on it, LOL :-)>

Carlos was into some pretty interesting stuff as I recall. If they could take the hard stuff and were able to achieve what they set out to do, I'll not cast shade. I just know how high strung I am and don't think I could handle that hard stuff. I never fooled with it in high school or college, I was always afraid of the stuff. :-O



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No, unfortunately I lost touch with him. Even though I never clapped eyes on the old lady he talked about, I swear I can see what she looked like for some reason. :-(

I understand the use of peyote etc. for vision quests and stuff like that. That was their original purpose, not the recreational use that some people use it for now. I think that's part of the reason they get into trouble with it. They're abusing it. There's no ceremony or rites or anything, so they go on "bad trips". I can freak myself out just fine with out the help of pharmaceuticals, LOL

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I always thought the movie Altered States was in the "Carlos territory" and then I read here at IMDB that a lot of the movie was based on his and a professor's in the 60's work with isolation tanks.

I've seen The Legend of Boggy Creek a couple of times and it scared the crap out of me. Especially the scene of a bigfoot smashing his arms through living room windows, yikes! There's a bunch of great sites about Bigfoot. I've heard a couple of different recordings of Bigfoot's screams and they scared the crap out of me just hearing it in the safety of my living room. It doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before. I can see how hikers out in the woods could go into an absolute panic hearing that, let alone seeing one. As a matter of fact (Once again on TLC or Discovery) I saw a show that sent the recording to a primate expert. He stated that it was definately a sound made by a primate. But not any primate that he knew existed :-O They also had hair samples sent to a lab and the same results. Primate, but of no known origin. Freaky!



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I think this critter was more aggressive than his Pacific Northwest counter part. But as I recall, the local yokels had been out hunting for him and it ticked him off. I've read that big foot and dogs don't get along and that he'll raid chicken houses given a chance. I guess they can get pretty hungry, just like any other wild animal. I wonder if he pilfers through garbage cans like the racoons on my back porch. Those little boogers are diabolical with their little "hands". LOL

I can't remember if bigfoot screams in that movie. The screams that I heard were recorded in Oregon or Washington state, can't remember which. I'll see if I can find that site and post you a link. It's really strange sounding.

I also remember reading about some hunters in a cabin waaaay out in the willy wags, back in the 50's getting attacked by a whole slew of big foots/feet(?). The cabin was built on a slope and the creatures were hollering and throwing enormous rocks on the roof of the cabin. I can't remember what they did to tick the creatures off, just being there in the first place was probably enough. I would be scared _ _ _ _less if something like that happened to me:-O

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Here's a pretty interesting link

(listen to the Klamathe recording, eeeeek!)
http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/sounds.php


There tons of sites out there on this topic, you can even look up the history of sightings in your state and county!
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I'm not sure where you can read about the hunters experience, I'll have to snoop around and see if I can find that.

I'm sure there have been sightings in Kentucky, there's a lot of wilderness still around for a bigfoot to wander around in.

I wonder what a bigfoot's life expectancy is and how far they travel. I saw one documentary that suggested they travel hundreds if not thousands of miles in migration, which makes sense. If they are mainly herbivores, they would have to travel North to South between the seasons.
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I don't know if there's any connection with Bigfoot and UFO's, but I've read that a lot, too. They say that there are often UFO sightings in the same areas that Bigfoot has been seen. Big cats, too. Maybe aliens catch Bigfoot and study him? I don't think Bigfoot or big cats are ET's pets going out for a bathroom break or something like that, though.

It's kind of funny you mention arirplanes and the like...sometimes I go to Google earth and look at Washington state or Northern California to see if I can see him running around in the woods, LOL. Seriously, I do that sometimes. :-!

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I've read that too, and thought, eh, whatever.

No, I've never seen anything out of the ordinary. You can't even see "regular" animals. Just tree tops and such. But, I'm not the most patient person in the world. I don't watch for long periods. I can't even watch those online ghost cams for any length of time. I don't know how those guys on Ghost Hunters can do that. Film hours and hours of a room and then literally watch every second of the footage they recorded. I'd be ready for the loony bin, it would seem like torture. :-O

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No, I've never gone out with all that equipment and searched for paranormal activity. I've also just been to places that are supposed to be haunted. I always thought ghost hunting was kind of goofy, because they typically are only set up for one night.What are you going to see in one night? Maybe something, probably nothing. I think you've got to be in one haunted location for a long time to see any activity.
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Oh, no I know what you meant:-)

The freakiest thing I ever saw was when those guys on Ghost Hunters (sci fi channel) went to the Myrtles in Lousianna. They caught some really strange and scary things on film. One of the events reminded me of a scene from Grave Secrets, even. Yikes!

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Yes I have, and yes it is! You can see two small children sitting on the roof of the house in that same photo if I'm not mistaken.

The footage the TAPS group shot was this human-like shadow figure outside a set of double french doors. It looks like it's crawling/slithering on the ground using it's arms and with no apparent legs. It gets to the doors...and starts pulling itself up them. It's got to be the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I swear if I'd seen something like that I would've probably run screaming into the swamp!


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I don't know what *that* was, it looked like a monster to me. It was really freaky.

I've seen a couple of the Dead Famous episodes. Why does the hostess have her head shaved in mid-season?
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I've only seen a few episodes, but that hostess did pop up bald as a cue ball. It was really strange...

I watched a few shows on the Bermuda Triangle this past weekend. They were pretty much a rehash of the same theories, though. I do rmember reading something a long time ago about the triangle being much bigger, like more towards North Carolina coast instead of Florida.

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Pockets of methane gas erupting from the ocean floor can deplete oxygen from water and sink large vessels. But...I don't think that's going to make air planes fall out of the sky. I've seen all kinds of freaky accounts by people in air craft who say the sky turned a weird green, their instruments went nuts and when they could see the ocean down below, it was all roiling and choppy, almost like it was boiling. Some have even said it appeared they were in some kind of tunnel or worm hole.
Maybe a door to another dimension opens and closes there? Kind of on that same note, have you eve been in a dressing room and looked at two mirrors facing each other? It looks like a freaky tunnel with lots of doors stretching into infinity. I always wondered if I could step into one of those mirrors and out one of those doors, what I would see? Would it be another dimension or another world? I know, it's a strange thought, but....

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dont you think they would have found some type of skeleton parts of Bigfoot by now

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Not necessarily. Bear, wolf and other predator bones are rarely found out in the open out in the wild. If big foot has cognitive abilities, he may hide his dead, bury his dead or even eat his dead.

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One theory I've read that's been bandied about that squadron is that they actually went down in the gulf, on the *other* side of Florida. That's getting pretty disoriented, but I don't fly airplanes so who am I to cast shade?

I suppose it would depend on how similar the other dimension was to our own, or how friendly the critters are on that side .

Speaking of that, have you ever seen Event Horizon? That movie freaked me out sooooo bad. Brief synopsis: a deep space vessel disappears after performing an experiment with man-made worm hole travel. The vessel shows back up seven years later....and it's brought something back with it. Freaky!

I've never heard of anyone really stepping into a mirror and going someplace else, but there sure is a lot of lore about it, so it's somewhere in the collective conscious.



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I think they have searched the gulf coast and they may have even found where the planes went down. It's been a while since I saw the show and read some articles, so I'm going from memory here.


I've read some stuff about Stull, sounds like a buch of Urban Legend lore college kids made up. I know the residents there are pretty tired of trespassers at the church and adjoining graveyard. There's always some nit wit that can't just quietly observe and has to vandalize and desecrate.

Hmmm, it's hard to pick just one movie that was based on a true story that scared the crap out of me; LOL, but two do come to mind, the Exorcist and The Entity. Wolf Creek was pretty bad, too. Even the original subject of this thread had parts that really bothered me. Something about seeing those shadows moving around in the hall really freaked me out :-O



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I'll dig around and see if I can find some info about the planes being located in the gulf coast. It's been a long time since I saw/read the info, but I'll see what I can dig up. It does answer the question of that happened to *those* particular planes, but there are plenty of other vessels that have disappeared without a trace that can't be explained. A couple of week aga I watched a show about rogue waves. Apparently they are more frequent (and still as unpredictible) than scientists originally thought. Those things can be monsters, over 100 feet high----gulp----.


Well, I certainly agree that church in Stull looks creeeeepy. That alone gets tongues wagging and interst piqued.

I think The Entity is getting remade in an updated version, I hope they don't ruin it and go all "Hollywood" with the story. I read an article that the entity followed that poor lady when she tried to move away and continues to torture her to this day {:-O

I've sporadically seen episodes of Supernatural (it comes on nights that I have to work)but what episodes I've seen I've really enjoyed. I see those ads for Ghost Whisperer all the time, but strangely I've never watched it. I've seen shows about the lady that Ghost Whisperer and Medium are based on. Now that's some really freaky stuff!



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It seems like I read somewhere that she moved to Texas, too. I hadn't hear dthat she died, though. I hope she got away from that creep spirit wherever she went :-(

I've been trying to find that info about the squadron that ent down in the gulf, but I haven't come upwith anything yet. I saw it on a show about the Bermuda Triangle, but I'll be darned if I can remember which one it was. I'll keep snooping until I ferret it out :-)

I've seen the ads for Blood Ties and it has had some pretty good reviews, too.
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One that comes to mind is Great Southern Mysteries, (two volumes in one). It has a little bit of everything in it. True stories of paranormal events, Native American mythology, geological mysteries, true crime mysteries, and all of them take place in the south. Some of them took place practically in my own back yard, and probably yours, too. It is one of those books I have to read in front of the computer because I'm researching the fascintating topics as I go along. Seriously, it's that good.

I also recently read a Hans Holzer book on photographing ghosts. It was an older publication but still fascintating and creepy all at the same time :-O

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Oh yeah, suicide would definately cross my mind. I don't know which would be worse; the attacks, or the constant fear of being attacked, never knowing when the Entity would strike. Ugh. :-(


On a happier(?) note, by pure serendipity I caught a show about the Bermuda Triangle this weekend. They illustrated how methane can sink enormous ships very quickly. They also showed the effects of methane on jet planes. It makes jet's altimeters appear that the jet is gaining altitude at a startling rate, making pilots aim the jet down and crashing at the same rate it appeared they were ascending.
Then they showed the effect of methane on WWII era planes and as little as .01% of methane can make those engines just flat out stop and/or cause the engine to explode in mid air. It just so happens that the Bermuda Triangle has several natural vents of methane on the bottom of the ocean floor.

They talked about that squadron found that seemed to crash for no reason. BUT, that wasn't in the Bermuda Triangle (it was off the coast of Ft. Lauderdale, I believe), BUT there are several large mysterious holes on the bottom of the ocean floor close to the crash site. Scientists don't know what these holes are, how they were formed or their purpose. They shouldn't even exist. Freaky stuff!
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It was *a* squadron, but others have also disappeared. I guess the methane would make anything sink directly to the bottom and stay there? I'm not quite sure. It also wouldn't explain the strange color of the sky that some people have reported or the churning of the sea.

I know all the shows that I've watched about haunted domiciles on the Discovery Channel are just awful. I mean the ghosts, demons, whatever they are really torment these folks. And these are just the ones who will talk about it, so I'm sure it could drive people to suicide. I've always wondered about that when someone just ups and kills themselves. Especially when there's no history of depression, mental illness, debt or family problems. They just up and do it.

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I'll check that out, I love true ghost stories and legends books! Some of them are so interesting I'll read them in front of the computer so that I can research as I'm reading along.

Isn't half.com on eBay great? I've gotten so many good books, some that aren't in print anymore at great prices :-)

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Half.com is a subsidiary of eBay, and yes, you have all of the same protections as you would using eBay. I really like it because I can buy books flat out, with out any bidding and there's a full range of prices as well as the condition of the book. You can buy a brand new print or a yard sale condition book, or anywhere in between. My experineces have been good in ones and (so far) all the sellars have been very up front and honest about the condition of the books.
It's been one of my best resources for hard to find and/or out of print books:-)

Okay, I'm going to check out these links!

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I really dug those links, thanks! :-)

I had read the one about the little girl Nena before, but had forgotten about it. And I really liked the site with all the haunted places/stories/legends of Tennessee. I like well organized information, it helps in my research :-)

Hmmm, "The Granny Curse", I don't know if I've ever heard that one.

Oh, BTW I caught some great shows last weekend about the Pacific version of the Bermuda Triangle located off the coast of Japan. The Japnese call it the Dragon's Triangle. Some really freaky stuff goes down there and there are no methane vents on the ocean floor to explain it all away.

I'm also intrigued with the underwater stone monoliths located off the coast of Japan.
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Pretty much the same phenomena that occurs in the Bermuda Triangle. Japanese myth believes that there are underwater dragons that are behind all of the downed ships, airplanes etc.

I even read that a theory that the Bermuda Triangle and Dragon's Triangle are exactly opposite from each other on the globe (don't know if that's true or not) and are considered "poles" that were created when an asteroid/comet smacked into the planet and knocked the Earth off it's orginal axis (yikes!).



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Yes, I've heard about that. To this day trees within an 800 mile radius still grow away from the impact site. I remember reading the few human inabitants said it was an ungodly loud shrieking sound. I hadn't heard about the thing changing course, that's pretty creepy. Other UFO crashes I have read about report the same kind of thing, so it's certainly possible that's what it was. Maybe it was a big flag ship instead of the smaller ships everyone sees. Since it was 1908 there was no airforce and radar to detect something like that.
Here's a freaky thought, what if it was an alien aircraft here to attack Earth and it crashed, instead. Earth narrowly escaping an alien invasion through pure luck. YIKES!

Thanks for the link, I'm going to check it out right now :-)

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I'm not sure about Vampires in the "Dracula" sense, but I do believe in psychic vampires. Have you ever been around someone who just wears you out? I don't mean in a rambunctious bouncing off the wall kind of way, but you can just be in the same room and you feel like you haven't slept or eaten in a week.I think can do it on purpose and others don't realize they're doing it.

Yeah, that really sucks if they shot that "creature", they could've learned if it was in fact an alien and if it was "sentient". It may not have been the pilot of the ship, it could've just been in the hold. But because of those gun happy dumbasses we'l never know :-(
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I've read Hans Holzer and Lloyd Auerbach(not sure if I spelled that last one correctly) books and they're pretty good.
Here's a fun (don't know how scientific, but fun) site you might enjoy, if you haven't already discovered it ;-)

http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/

Don't let the "tour" part throw you off, it has a lot of paranormal investigators along with their bibliographies.
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I'm not sure if I've read anything by them. I've read so much for so many years that I sometimes forget what all I *have* read, LOL. But I'll check them out for sure, thanks.

I know, it is pretty cool that we've kept this thread going that long. Not only that but sharing great info is pretty groovy, too :-)
(I suppose because this movie is considered pretty obsolete we've been lucky to avoid trolling jerks and such.)

Here's a shout out to IMDB and the IMDB message boards for great info!

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Yes, I've watched that and I like it, too. I think that's the series where I first heard of Summer Wind. Now *there* is a creepy story for you!

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Yes, I've been waching it. I've also been watching the meassage board here and made a few comments.
I'm kind of ambivilant about that show. Sometimes it comes across as staged and other times it seems earnest. I also think the mediums they use are..sketchy for lack of a better word.
I didn't like them digging that dead dog up at all, either :-(

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Oh no, that's the worst. It hurts just as bad as losing a human member of the family. Sometimes even more. :-(

(You didn't miss much, don't even watch it)

I'm going to check that link out right now!


BTW, did you see the picture of the Sasquatchy looking thing on Mars? I know it's not a living, breathing critter but it could be a statue. Of course NASA poo-pooed it as being a shadow right off the bat.

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I hope this link works for you; oddly enough it took me forever to find it, despite being all over the news back in January. :-$
http://bp1.blogger.com/_ltMw63Iz07g/R5eZtKQc-yI/AAAAAAAAA7o/a8Kci5wNivc/s1600-h/sasquatchonmars.jpg


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Oh wow, yeah I'm still here, I just happened to check this thread.
I haven't heard another peep about it and it's well nigh almost impossible to find the picture anywhere on the internet, anymore.

Sorry you've been sick, that's never any fun :-(

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I haven't heard of that particular book, but I'll be on the look out for it. I've been reading about this gadget called "Frank's Box" that supposedly allows you to communicate with the dead.

I agree, I just don't think I would have the patience to listen to hours of static on tapes. I think you have to have a computer program to "clean" the sound up to hear some of the voices clearly. At least on all the ghostie hunter shows they all seem to run their tapes through computer software. I have a sound machine that I have set on white noise that I literally can not sleep without (a hold over from living on a noisy street back in college) and I've often wondered if ghosts are trying to communicate with me while I'm sleeping. That's kind of a creepy thought, though.

Ghost photography fascinates me, too. I spend hours looking at and reading sites on the subject. Especially the pictures people have taken in their living rooms (tv off) but you can see faces very clearly on the tv screen. Or in the windows of buildings, eeeeek! I have some photographs that rleatives have taken and caught faces in windows, but I never catch anything more interesting than my pets on pictures I take, LOL. ;-) I keep trying though, maybe some day.....


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I did read about the GA BigFoot, it's now been proven a hoax :-(
What did those bozos think they were going to accomplish? It really does upset people who really have seen those creatures when these jokers pull stunts like that. It makes eyewitnesses less likely to come forward for fear of ridicule.

I've not heard Frank's Box called anything else, but it may be the same thing.I'm sure they're all more or less the same device. There's more information available on line than when I first researched it. If the link below doesn't work, just go to Google and type in Frank's Box.
paranormalinsider.com/2007/10/franks_box

I've not read any new paranormal books lately but I have been snoofing around sources reading about disappearing people and places. There's some really freaky stories about houses appearing and disappearing. Most of the people disappearing out of thin air right in front of others have turned out to be hoaxes,though. The rest are murder or accident victims whose bodies just haven't been found yet.



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I heard a report that the hoaxters were paid big bucks by a BigFoot website, so I guess greed was their biggest motivation. That and pulling a fast one. Guess sociopaths get their jollies in all facets of life.

I guess the most popular theory about disappearing anything is that they go into another dimension. That really freaks me out. What if you were standing in the dwelling,would you go into that other dimension with it? GAH!

I have noticed that about UFO sightings. There have also been big cat sightings in tandem with UFO sightings. Maybe the UFO's are letting their pets out for "potty breaks" sort of like when we travel with with our pups? Just kidding :-)>

This is a true story though...a relative of mine was walking along a country road back in the 40's, it was summer time and dark. She said that a large cat like creature with glowing red eyes and a scream like a woman followed her and her sisters in the underbrush all the way to their home. It then menaced the house for most of the night, pacing around in the woods surrounding the house, screaming. That sounds like it would be a panther or bobcat, BUT, here's the really weird part, she said it hopped like a kangaroo!

Okay, so this story always intrigued me so I started snooping around, researching if there had been other sightings of this creature. There had not only been other sightings, but UFO activity was reported in this specific area around the same time. I believe my relative, she's not prone to lying, exaggerating or hallucinating. She's also fairly religious so it REALLY freaked her out. To this day she doesn't like traveling in that area.

There have also been BigFoot sightings in and around that same area. And while it is wooded and mountainous, it's not full of drunk "hillbillies" and the like. As a matter of fact I think it's full of luxury vacation homes, now. I wonder if the hoity toitee's have BigFoot swimming in their pools, now? ;-)

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I did my research waaaaay before there was even such a thing as the internet and now I can't remember the book. I haven't seen anything on the news, but that doesn't neccesarily mean that there haven't been more recent sightings. I'll snoop around on the net and see if I can find anything.

There have been BigFoot sightings more recently, but big cats with red eyes and hop like a Kangaroo, no.

I wonder what BigFoot was doing in that bubble. I definatley think they are more cognizant than they are given credit for.



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I don't know what that critter's motivation was. It was either terrorizing them for grins and giggles, or it was keeping them away from some other activity that was going on. Sort of like a guard dog.


Atlantis is a really interesting topic. I've seen a lot of different shows about all the different places it could've been located and each had compelling evidence. I've kind of come to the conclusion that Atlantis was a state of mind. There were "advanced" civilizations in ALL those places and something happened that set them all back and we had to "start all over" again. As to what that event was, I don't even want to think about it, it just upsets me too much.

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I remember that,too. Was it giants? Or the children of Lillith who then mated with the daughters of man? I can't remember the exact details, either. I think there's something to it. It's too much in the collective conscious to at least have some basis in truth. Plus we have to try to think in terms of the ancients. They explained what they saw to the best of their ability. For example, if we see an astronaut in a space suit, we know what that is. How would someone from 10,000 years ago describe what they were seing? To them it would be some strange being from the heavens.

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I'm not sure what any of them were. I'm so clueless I couldn't even venture a guess.

Sort of on the same topic, have you ever read about anachronistic archeological finds? For example, human foot prints (with shoes on!) in rocks that would've been sand tens of millions of years ago? I think they've found metal tools from that long ago, too. I wonder if it's time travelers or aliens that visited that far back. That *really* blows my mind :-O

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I've read a little about those giants and have seen shows that touched on the subject, too. The Cherokee also believed in a race of giants, I bet there are other tribes that do, as well. Now why would so many tribes, so far apart from each other have that same memory? There's something to it.

I'm trying to remember the lake in Wisconsin that when the water is clear (which isn't always) the tops of pyramids can be seen. The lake is quite deep so the pyramids must be huge. I'll snoop around and see if I can find that article again and post a link for you.

Then there are those underwater "ruins" off th coast of Japan. Some scientists try to argue it's a natural formation, but I've never seen that many right angles in those formations in nature before. It definately looks like something giants would truck across.....

Okay, here are some links on the subject of the Wisconsin lake:

http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/1998/Winter/Aztalan/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Lake_(Wisconsin)

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"Giants" of today don't typically live to old age, you never hear about an 80 year old "giant". Most are lucky to make it past their 30's, late 50's at most.

The Sioux can be pretty fierce, so I bet they did put a-hurtin' on rivals. Giants or know. Speaking of the Sioux, I read somewhere a long time ago, that all of the Indian trbes in the US can be traced back to earlier ancestors from Asia. Except for the Sioux. It's a mystery as to where their origins are from. I only read about it that one time and can't find that article anywhere.I can't even remember what I read it in. But it makes sense, they really don't look like any of the other tribes when you think about it. I've read that they may be descendants of the survivors of Atlantis.


Oh yeah, I think the ancients were a lot more traveled than we give them credit for. I've read about ancient Egyptian mummies having traces of nicotine and cocain. And these weren't modern made mummies that were trickled into private collections in the late Victorian era. They've been carbon dated and other dating techiques and they're ancient. They're even discovering that during the last ice age Europeans made it over to North America in the East while Asians were trekking over the Berring Straight in the West. That would explain all these "European" looking mummies/skeletons being found buried in the Native American way in the South West. These are things that I've read in archeology journals, not Fate magazine. (Not casting shade on Fate magazine, I used to read that all the time).


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Oh, wow that really sucks :-(

I pop in from time to time to check on this thread, just post when you can, our convos are always intersting :-)

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I have heard of those and I think they're very real. I saw something that looked exactly like the the sightings in Wisconsin. I don't know if they stay like that all of the time or turn back and forth.

It seems like very culture on every continent in the world has BigFoot, werewolf and vampire legends.

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I think Werewolves go back even further than Christianity, it's a totemic belief.

I've read about that French case. I've also read one theory that it was a villages way of explaining the work of a serial killer in their midst. "Surely no one in the village could do something like this, it must be a monster!" Especially if they were experiencing multiple grisly deaths.


Silverbullet scared the crap out of me, too. I read the novella first, Cycle of the Werewolf and it also scared the crap out of me. It was even illustrated, EEEEEEKKK!

I'll private message you about my story, it's not something I tell everyone for obvious reasons, they send the men in butterfly nets and white coats after ya'! ;-)
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Okay, I sent you a private message with all the spooky deets...
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I often wake up scared at those times of the night, they can really freak me out. I think from midnight on until dawn ahs potential for a lot of different things.

Someone told me once, never write any important documents, correspondence or anything like that at night, because it can influence what you're doing in a negative way. A lot of creative types and inventors are often night owls. I don't know, maybe barriers between this world and the next become thinner during those times. Most people are asleep and may be dreaming so they're already in an altered state, that might be floating around, too.

Even the most innocuous things can become surreal at night. Unless someone is working a third shift job, they really don't have any business out and about at that time and are usually up to no good.
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Oh I understand all about insommnia, I suffer from bouts of it, too. I meant people out lurking around, outside of their homes at night are usually up to no good.

It's been years ago since I was told that about writing, if you're writing something creative night time can be great, but anything formal or for business is best left for the day time. I guess because we're tired and sometimes feel more emotional at night, it may come across in a professional document. It may come from the saying to sleep on something first. He also said to not write love letters or anything like that at night, too. Maybe they would be too sappy? LOL

But I do know from personal experience back in college, research papers I wrote during the day typically received a higher score than papers I wrote at night. Of course that could've been old fashioned fatigue, but still...

I have heard of ghosts/spirits using things like tv's, computers and telephones to try to communicate with the living. Something about needing the energy they can draw from those things to communicate. I've said before I wonder what might try to communicate through my sound machine(I leave it on white noise)when I'm sleeping. I don't see why they couldn't use a powerline for the same purpose or to travel. Maybe it's like us using an escalator or one of those moving sidewalks.

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I don't think evil has any limits as to when it could strike. Evil things happen in the daylight all the time. If anything I would think it would be *more* likely to strike because you wouldn't be expecting it in broad daylight. It's probably more to do with our primordial fear of the dark.

I think ghosts could probably travel by any means they want. Who's to say they don't hitch a ride with us when we commute to work? Great, another backseat driver LOL ;-)

Are you referring to Carver? If so, no one has ever been able to find a connection with him or the entire state of Wisconsin, let alone Summerwind. It's been a bone of contention with skeptics and critics of Von Bobber.

I think what fascinates me is the claims that the house would changes it's dimensions when carpenters would measure rooms. I just read that about somewhere else not long ago, but I can't remember where it was, demmit.




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Sure things are scarier in the dark when you can't see them as well. That's why haunted attractions are done in the dark. You can't quite be sure what you just saw.

They're probably feeding off the psychic energy everyone is giving off while they sleep.

As for the Carver stuff, apparently after Von Bobber's daughter fled the house, the family started monkeying around with hypnosis. Under hypnosis, Von Bobber claimed that Carver had contacted him and told him about a land deed that was supposedly hidden in the basement of Summerwind. (It was never found, BTW). I'd like to the read the book, "The Carver Effect", but the dem thing is 30 bucks and I have my doubts if it's true or not. I *DO* believe that house was haunted, though. It drove everbody that ever tried to live in it batshiz crazy.

I have a fleeting knowledge of Ol' Green Eyes. I'm going to check out that link right now. If Civil War soldiers saw it, how could some turkey in the 50's claim he made it up? See, that pisses me off to no end. That's like these jerkwads that make up fake Saquatch stuff and then no one believes people who *really* saw Sasquatch. Grrrrr....






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Okay, I checked it out. Oy vey but that font is hard to read. I had to cut and paste it to Microsoft word in a different font so I could read it.

Ol' Green Eyes sounds like a Japanese Oni from the eye witness descriptions. It was probably snoofling around battle fields eating the dead, blecth. It's definately something sepereate from battlefield ghosts. Disgusting factoid: Civil War battle fields could be smelled up to five miles away, after the carnage and dust had settled. It's no wonder that would attract nasty things of this world and the next, (like ghouls and demons and such).





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Onis are ancient, I would think. I wonder what the Native American's take is on the critter. Sort of like the Wendigo or the Thunderbird?

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Oni do all kinds of nasty things. I guess they're like the thugs of the supernatural world.

I didn't think the critter *was* the Wendigo or Thunderbird, I just wondered if the Native Americans has their own myth about. Either way, I wouldn't want to run into that thing, it sounds ghastly :-O

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I'm reading Stolen Innocence by Elissa Wall. It's about the FLDS, Warren Jeffs, all that rigamarole. It's scary in a whoooole 'nother way :-O

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I don't have Escape, but I know the book you're talking about and I've seen Carolyn Jessup interviewed. Pretty sad, scary stuff.

I think I heard that one time about Jeffs and it "disappeared" from the media. It certainly wouldn't suprise me, dirty old creep.

Just like those two lunatics that kept vicious dogs in their apartment in San Francisco. They set them on a tiny neighbor lady and she was literally ripped to shreds. Anyway, I heard exactly one time that the couple had taped themselves having shall we say "relations" with the dogs. Then I never heard it nor read it nor could find it again. Things have a way of "disappearing" from the news, like that. Sure it was gross, but if it was true then they should've been charged for that, too.

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The more I read this book, the creepier Warren Jeffs (or any of those creepy old men)gets. I am really suprised he didn't take the Jim Jones rounte and probably would have if the fuzz hadn't been so hot on his trail.

The whacked out stuff that man would come up with...and people would just blindly follow along.

One passage I found funny, they popped pop corn and munched away while awaiting the world's end on New Year's Eve, 1999. Everyone was perplexed as to why it hadn't come. Wiley old Jeff's response, "you've been given a temporary reprieve". And those fools swallowed it, hook, line and sinker. Another good one, the "prophets" would tell the children of wives that were placed with new husbands that their blood and DNA would "magically" change from their biological father's to the new husband/father's. Once again, these fools bought every bit of it.

I was suprised that Elissa Wall's father was a college educated engineer and hadn't grown up in the FLDS fold. And he was falling for this stuff? Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers I guess....

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Check out this fantastic website I just found:
http://www.ghosttheory.com/


This is an interview with Doris Bithers' (The Entity) son.

http://www.ghosttheory.com/interviews/the-entity-interview-with-doris-bithers-son/


How did I miss this website?

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Oh, hail nah! But I grew up with a narcissitic sociopath and a miserable alcoholic for parents, so I'm not easily manipulated. I can clock a shyster from 10 paces.

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Even though I was only a young child when the whole Jim Jones thing went down, I remember seeing him on the news and he acted exactly like what was going on at home.

He was also a narcissistic sociopath and somehow I was able to read that just from news clips on the TV. I guess when you see it every day, you know it when you see it somewhere else. :-(

But anyhow, I watched a two hour documentary on Jones Town on the History Channel last month. I really delved deep into the subject. They interviewed the few survivors from the cult and the politicians that survived getting shot at. It was miracle they even made it out.

I really hate any kind of cult like that because they inevitably start dragging kids through it. It's one thing if adults want to act like idiots, but don't drag children into it.

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I have zero contact with my remaining "parent". The other died years ago. I know that sounds awful, but it's for self-preservation. Trust me, they are a sociopath in every sense of the word.

The thing about sociopaths is that they fool everyone (a la Jim Jones) until it's too late. They're literally like snakes in the grass, to the genral public. But, in their private lives the mask comes off and the monster that looks like mommy or daddy appears. It's very frightening. I think that's why Jones Town struck such a deep chord (and still does) for me.

I imagine your town wouldn't want to discuss something that awful. That whacknut Marshall Applewhite worked briefly in my town back in the 60's. Of course our famewhore newspaper splashed it all over the front page...like that was something to be proud of? GAH!
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No, I was an only child, so I got to bear the full brunt. I don't know if a sibling would've helped much, though. They could've been just as looney. I guess the only benefit of a sibling would've been verification of, "yeah they acted like that in private". The few people I ever told about how the "parents" were didn't really believe me or thought I was over exaggerating because it was so horrific. The public mask was so good, they had (and still do) everybody fooled.

That's probably why I have such an interest in the paranormal and the supernatural. I saw the real "boogey man", so not much seems inplausible to me. I definately believe in poltergeist activity, I think it occurs when someone feels helpless and is under duress. That psychic energy has to go somewhere.



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Thank you, I really do appreciate that. It *was* very frustrating and still is to this day. I learned a long time ago to not try to "enlighten" people on the outside who thought my "parents" were just the greatest thing. I've mastered the frozen smile and "uh huh, what ever you say" tactic in dealing with anyone who still approaches me about them.

I think I have read excerpts of that book, as a matter of fact. I also think the author has written books on sociopaths. Wouldn't that be a horrifying thing to have to deal with for the rest of your life? Knowing you barely escaped that horrible fate. Talk about survivor's guilt, ugh .. :-(

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I keep in touch with some family on one side and hardly any on the other side. And only when I absolutely have to. I've made a life for myself, by myself. When you're an only child with fruit cake "parents" and allowed no friends you will either go nuts or become super self-reliant. I chose the later.

I'm almost finished with Elisa Walls' book and the paralelles between Jim Jones and Warren Jeffs are striking. I am really suprised Jeff's didn't try to take everyone down with him, Jim Jones style. He got nutty in exactly the same way. I really hope he's somebody's prison bitch at this moment. He pretty much tortured Elisa and she was just a little girl, I really hope he's getting that back in spades.

I feel sorry for all the victims of Jim Jones. They were stuck in the middle of a jungle and couldn't get away. The only person I don't feel sorry for is Jim Jones, himself.

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Okay, I checked that article out, it was really interesting, thanks for posting the link. Poor guy, sounds like that poison is reaching into his life, still after all these years.

I just finished Stolen Innocence today. And yes, Warren Jeffs was accused of not only molesting a sister, a daughter AND a brother. EGADS! I hope that creep gets shanked in prison. I really do.

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No, I don't mind answering questions, at all. I understand it's so alien to a lot of people and they want to ask questions.

I've heard part of that tape. Nothing suprises me about that whole scene. I do believe the brother could've been forced to drive the vehicle. How was he to know what was going to happen?

Exhaustion really does make people do strange things. I myself don't handle sleep deprivation very well, so I can imagine being exhausted and starving, harped at day in and day out over a loud speaker...I probably would've gulped that Kool Aid down, too.

I was curious as to what was left of Jones Town today, so I looked it up. The jungle has pretty much taken back over, but it's said that the barrel that contained the poison drink is still there, laying on it's side. I don't know how anyone could substantiate that, but it's still a creepy thought. I wonder if it's dead silent there like the concentration camps in Europe are. I had an aquaintence visit Poland and Aushwitz was on the itinerary. It was high summer, with lots of birds chirping, insects buzzing and people outside doing their summer thing. Except....when they arrived in the camp, it was dead silent. He said you could hear a pin drop through out the whole place.Even the pictures he took creeped me out. They looked for lack of a better word, dead silent. GAH!

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Okay, here's what Wikipedia has about the site today:

Now deserted, the compound at Jonestown was first tended by the Guyanese government following the deaths.[170] The government then allowed its re-occupation by Hmong refugees from Laos for a few years in the early 1980s.[170] The buildings and grounds were looted by local Guyanese people, but were not taken over because of their association with the mass killing. The buildings were mostly destroyed by a fire in the mid-1980s, after which the ruins were left to decay and be reclaimed by the jungle.

During a visit in 1998 to film a segment for the ABC news show 20/20, Jim Jones, Jr. discovered the rusting remains of an oil drum near the former entrance to the Pavilion.[171] Jones recognized the drum, originally adapted for use during meal times, as the drum used for drink mixtures used during the "white night" exercises, and which he believed was used to hold the poison and Flavor Aid liquid used on November 18, 1978.[171]

There is now little left save an old oil tank turned on its side, and very little indication at all of the former settlement, other than aging fruit trees that were part of the Jonestown orchard, the oil tank, and an abandoned truck that was presumably owned by Peoples Temple.[172] The former pilot then led the host of the show to where the Pavilion once was and they found daisies growing where the bodies had once lain. While they were out in the jungle earlier in the show they had found a desk drawer while searching around



I don't know that there would be much left to see, it doesn't take the jungle long at all to grow back over stuff like that.


I guess the combination of millions of deaths plus all the pollution those death camps created has chased any wild life off. Animals and birds can probably still smell those places, today.


I happened to notice ol' Warren Jeff's nephew has written a book about that sicko. Apparently Warren couldn't keep his hands off the girls or boys.


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Oh, sure I get why you would want to visit. I think it would be very interesting, too. Hell, I'd just love to see the jungle anywhere. Until a big honkin' bug falls out of a tree and on my head, LOL :-)>


It's been said that he does, but I don't know how they could verify that without birth certificates, if the children even have any. DNA testing for that many children would cost mucho $$$$. I suppose it could be possible if he had twenty wives and many of them have five to seven children a piece....but I still find claims of 100 children dubious. Ramses the Great is said to have had that many children and he was an old man by the time that claim came to light. Honestly, they would've had to been baby makin' more than leading to make that many kids.




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I would suprised if the area *wasn't* haunted. I was amazed they got the Hmong to stay there. They couldn't have known what had happened there. Asian cultures very much believe in ghosts and won't mess with anywhere they think is haunted.

Even if Jeffs has that many wives, he would have to making time with at least one of them every night of the week, every day of the month. He must've popping some serious Viagra. Or lying about his prowess. ;-)
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I dunno. I would hope he's burning in he11, but who knows. I could see him going all Poltergeist II like that freaky preacher. GAH! Maybe we should contact Ghost Hunters International and see if they would go. I don't know who owns the property now, so I would geuss it would depend on the current owners permission for something like that.

Jeff's wives and children have probably been "reassigned" to other men. I think I remember reading that some of them even flew the coop and don't practice FLDS anymore. I don't think Jeffs is running it anymore, he "abdicated" when he went to prison.

I suppose if everyone was willing and able they could be happy. But people are going to get jealous, there is just no way around that. For me personally, no. Having to bow down and scrape before some dirty old goat would not be appealing. The main reason it ever got started in the first place was a large % of a male population getting killed off (during wars) or for rulers making alliances with foreign nations. Usually the wives (or concubines) just start doing each other if the harem gets too large.


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I just typed out a response and the internet went out, ARRRGGGHHHHHHH!

Anyhoo, lets try this again...

I'm sure Ghost Hunter International would take a request, that's what their parent show Ghost Hunters does. All of their cases are from people who have contacted them. Shoot them an email and see what they think. It would be a huge ratings coup for that show, I know I would definitley watch that one.

Who on earth in their right mind would still support Jim Jones? I don't want to think about the kind of people a new Peoples Temple would attract.

I've seen every season of Big Love. I saw a lot of parraleles in that show's plots and charcters in the book Stolen Innocence. I think they've drawn source material straight from that book.

I think I would probably be even more mad and jealous if I had to share a young husband. If it was just some dirty old goat, I'd skip every turn I had, LOL. I think polgamy was thought up by dirty opld goats wanting all the of the fecund women to themselves. Notice how those brides get younger and younger as they get older?

I hadn't heard that about using real skeletons in Poltergeist. I would think OSHA would have screaming hissie fits over that. The props look very realistic, somebody probably just started that as an urban legend. It is weird how actors were dying left and right after appearing on those movies. I'll pop onto Snopes and see if they have anything about that skeleton business.




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Peoples Temple started off more as a social movement and at first it probably was a good thing. They took in every one, which is alot more than most churches do. But as they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could still support Jim Jones unless they were off, too.

Rhonda... I wanted to smack that little hussy. She wasn't the only one with sociopathic traits, though. Niki, Alby, their mother and father all show the same charceteristics. You'll see what I mean when you see season three.

If people wnat to live a polygamous life style, go for. I only have a problem when they force little girls into it. Shuffle and disrupt families and kick the boys out so the dirty old goats get all the women. I also have a problem when they apply for governmet assistance. I work hard and I don't appreciate the money I bust my hump making all week going towards subsidizing some old dirty goat's harem and spawn.

I went to Snopes and they had the part about actors dying off left and right being true, but there was no mention of the seletons. I saw that eHollywood True story too, and I vaguely remember something being said about that. I guess it's no different than having a skelton in biology class. Anyone can order a human skeleton over the internet now-a-days. (Most of them are from India, BTW) We used real skeletons in forensic anthropology, we had to. I didn't get the impression ghosts were mad at us, what we were doing was learning how to bring justice for crime victims. But I could see how being used on a horror movie set might piss someone off.

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I remember that Tom Green case, it was strange to go after him when she was 34. why not when she was a child? I've seen a couple of episodes of The Secret Life of Women. I'll keep my eyes peeled in case they run a marathon and see if I can catch that episode.

Here's a strnge fact for you, most of the skeltons used in public school classrooms aren't even all from the same person. They just throw invidual bones in boxes and grab them out for "restringing" when they want to make a complete skeleton, so it could be bones from thirty different people, male and female thrown together.

Working around corpses is not a plesant job, I can tell you that. Especially decomposing ones. I always wondered who had to clean up Jonestown. The bodies are all bloated in the photographs I've seen and they will "explode" on you. And the smell in that heat must have been horrid. I don't know how a mother could do that to her children, especially for that jerkwad. I would've grabbed the children and ran like hell. Of course I wouldn't be in a situation like that in the first place. But I'm very resistant to sociopaths. Their schmoozing a weaseling get no where fast with me.

I don't know if the movie was cursed, but it did seem like a big coincidence for all those actors dying like that. Twilight Zone the movie was plagued with problems and then that horrifc helecopter crash. I've heard about other supernatural topic movies having very strange things going on the set. The Exorcist comes to mind, but that one is kind of a "no duh-er".




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I am not even believing this, I just typed out a response, and the damn internet dropped....again! ARRGGGRGHHH!

I hadn't heard that about the fax, that is really creepy. Recently I was at a car auction and had to drive a jet black Mustang. I swear that car had a mind of it's own and was possesed by the devil. We even joked and called it "el diablo". Anyhoo, when it sold, the amount it went for.....$6,666. I kid you not.

I'm sure that site was a total mess to clean up. I bet those soldiers remember that to this day. A body can skeletonize in less than two weeks in tropical heat like that. You know that site has got to be haunted. I bet there's weird lights at night and stuff like that.

Jim Jones henchmen were probably just as sociopathic as he was. They always seem to be able to find each other. The Manson gang is another that comes to mind.


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Have you ever heard of the evil doll Robert? He's in a museum now down in Key West. It's one of the creepiest dolls I've ever seen. An artist in the early twentieth century owned the doll as a child and claimed Robert moved around and would do bad things. Eventually the artist grew up and his wife was so creeped out by the doll that she made him put Robert up in the attic. Neighborhood children claimed Robert would be glaring out the attic windows on their walk to school. EEEEEK! Now Robert is in a museum and the curators and employees swear he gets out of his case at night and that his expression changes. EEEEK! again.
Here's a link with infor about Robert.

http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/hauntedstates/hauntedflorida/hauntedkeywest/

For some reason, I never associated that object could be haunted until my early twenties. House and places yes, but I just never made the connection....until. A friend of mine was living back home and her parents house was full of antiques. She swore some of them were haunted. I never saw anything strange, but I did always have this weird uneasy feeling around that furniture. The house itself was pretty new and very big and fancy, out on the golf course, so I don't think it was the house. It was that dem furniture. (And no I'm poor as a church mouse, this friend just happened to be loaded)


That's how these cults operate. They isolate and then brainwash. I've read that over and over, relatives don't even recognize their loved ones after a cult has gotten their hooks in them. That's why if a family is lucky enough to kidnap a loved one back, they have to be professionaly "deprogrammed" before they can even return home. Or else they'll just run right back to the cult. Cults are very good at what they do. They can sniff out the marginalized and the vulnerable and cater to the very human need to belong to a group.Once they suck the fly into the trap, they pounce like a spider.

In the case of these polygamous sects, the paradigm is so ingrained in that culture that no one can imagine another way of life. It's very difficult for members to adjust to life on the "outside" and many do go running back. I amdire the ones who can assimilate back into society for thier gumption. Elissa Walls comes to mind.

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I'd heard that about the artist being a crap weasel. Apparently it was a nanny from the Carribean that gave Robert the doll. Maybe there was some voodoo curse on it for the doll to take on the artist's nasty personality traits. People tend to think all children are innocent little angels, but I've seen some pretty nasty tempramented kids, so it wouldn't suprise me if the artist was nasty as a child, too.

You know what's even more funny, I just read about that book over at the Kindertrauma web site the other day. (insert whooooeeeeooooeoeee music)

It's very hard when a loved one turns on you. I know first hand how that one feels. At least Maria had the "excuse" of being brainwashed I guess.

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Kindertrauma is a website about things that scared the crap out of you as a child. Books, movies, toys, you name it. It's very funny (and true)and anyone is invited to contribute a Kindertrauma experience.
http://www.kindertrauma.com/?page_id=2

Jim Jones probably threatened Maria or her family members in some way, if she didn't do what he wanted, would be my guess.She probably saw no way out and just threw herself into it to ease the anomie she was feeling.

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Were these documentatries, or fiction based on Gein and Dahmer? I've seen several documentaries and read books and articles about both.

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Ed Gein's story is freaky in and of itself. The thought of him dancing around in women's skins in the moonlight freaked me out to no end. Still does.

I read in article in Fate Magazine (yeah I know, not exactly a scholarly journal)on a theory that Dahmer was reincarnated from an Aztec priest. They showed sketches he had done of skull altars and what not, compared to Aztec stone carvings and they looked the same. But, he could've just picked those up subconsciously looking at a National Geographic, so who knows.

Henry, Portrait of a Serial Killer is another freaky fictionalized film base on Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole. Most unpleasent little flick, but they were unpleasent men.

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I think Ed Gein's mind was just shattered by that whacka doo mother. Plus he was so isolated. Had he been able to get out in the world and see things for himself, he might have been able to work through the crap his mother put him through.

With forensics today, I'm sure they could've proved he was a necro. I thought they found evidence that he ate bodies? The two girls going missing in the same area seems too much like a coincidence for Ed to have not been responsible.

I think Hnery Lee Lucas and Otis Toole were full of *beep* in regards to how many they killed. They weren't too smart and hideous looking. No seasoned hitchhiker would get anywhere near those two. Not even an amateur either, come to think. Honestly, would you get in a car with those two? The victims they did kill were the type of people who would go around them. (With the exception of Adam, who was most likley snatched up befor ehe could even protest) Does that make any sense? But,that does mean that whoever killed all those people might still be out there, and that's a scary thought. When I read that Henry was from Blacksburg VA, a lot of pieces fell into place for me. That is one of the most evil, skeevy places (along with Christiansburg that sits right next door) I've been unfortunate enough to encounter. It's only saving grace is VT and that took a hit, too.
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I've seen the crime scene photos of Mrs. Worden and it is awful. One of the FBI profiler's that interviewed Ed, said that he used Penzoil to keep the skin of the corpses supple. Ed told him that like he was sharing some kind of helpful household tip. GAH! This profiler had also interviewed Gacy and several other serial killers. The most interesting point he made (but I already knew) was how normal all these freaks seem. But it makes sense in a way, they wouldn't have been as successful if they were drooling, raving lunatics. They're chameleons and can blend in just about anywhere. Now THAT is scary.

That Ed even said the bodies smelled too bad tells me the thought at least crossed his mind. I can see his sniffy indignation for being asked that. "Well just because I dug them up and turned the into furniture doesn't mean I would have sex with them". I guess even serial killers have standards, LOL.

Otis Toole was half retarded, he probably couldn't remember himself how many victims he had. I thought connecting Dahmer to Adam seemed like a stretch. He would've been too smart for that. Murdering transient hustlers and children are two very different things. People tend to get very upset when children are murdered and will use any resources to get the culprit. Otis on the other hand probably couldn't recite the days of the week in the correct order and wouldn't have been able to think that through. The impulse struck and he acted on it.

I had the misfortune of living in Blacksburg for four years while one of my sociopathic "parents" were getting their PhD. The people there were mean spirited and there always seemed to be,I dunno, for lack of a better word, a malignant vibe to the place. And it wasn't just the city folk, even the country people were just mean spirited, angry, always trying to hurt you in some way. Physically or mentally. Of course the sociopathic "parent" thrived there. I almost didn't survive it. Christiansburg wasn't much better and it has a link to the whole Ocey Snead mystery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocey_Snead
http://www.njhm.com/eastorange1.htm

Where the girl's school used to stand is now Christiansburg High Scool and it is purported to be haunted. I always got an uneasy feeling when I was in that area. Still do. I went back about 10 years ago to "exorcise" some demons
(or at least confront a big source of my childhood torment) and that place had not changed one bit. Everyone was still just as hateful and another thing came to the forefront for me....the vegetation in that whole area is just stunted and hideous. As if nothing will grow. I think it's all the hate vibes people put off there, it stunts everything around it.

When that mass murder and that poor student getting her head lobbed off in the middle of a coffee shop at VT went down, the first thought that went through my head was, "I'm suprised it didn't happen sooner". I think that place is double evil for someone who is mentally unbalanced in the first place.


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I'll have to find that book. Jonestown is a topic I never get tired of. I'm amazed that there hasn't been another one. With all this 2012 nonsense I'm afraid there might be some cult that freaks out and does the same thing :-(

I know what you mean, those photographs of Ocey are still compelling after all these years. I'e read that the one who claimed to be her mother wasn't, it was the school mistress "aunt" that was actually her biological mother. She had Ocey out of wedlock and had her sister who was married at the time pose as Ocey's mother. She was the ringleader in that pack's nefarious deeds. I'm convinced she was a sociopathic devil woman.

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I knew that Jim Jones had some politicians in his pocket, but not that high up. It doesn't suprise me, though. I wouldn't have put it past him to have planned to escape, but after the gunning down of Washinton politicians, he probably realized the jig was up at that point. Look how may Nazis fled to South America after WWII (and they killed millions), who is to say he couldn't have done the same thing, fled on down to Aregentina or Brazil. If he had enough money to pay his way off, I think he could very well have done that.

That's appalling about the children, but it doesn't suprise me either. A sociopath can kill a child or use a child with no remorse as quickly as they could an adult.

That 2012 junk is just that, junk. The Mayan calendar was just ending like our calender will end December 31, 2009.... and we'll purchase new ones at the mall calendar kiosk for next year. All those calendar stones were under Mexico city, they just bumbled on that one while doing construction. There's probably a stone with the new calendar under Juan's Taco Shack, it was just never discovered.

I read and article last week about astronomers getting hysterical emails from scared people threatening to kill themselves and their kids before 2012. *THAT'S* scarier than any 2012 hokum. Anyhoo, the astronomers say nothing celestial is going to happen that isn't happening right now. I'd be more worried about climate change, now *THAT'S* real.

The "world" won't end for millions more years, ie when our sun starts to die and engulfs the planet. Humans however, will eventually end if we don't get our shiz together.

I haven't read the book Three Sisters in Black, only excerpts from it online. Why do sociopaths hate anyone? Why did that harpy I got stuck with as a parent hate me? I'll never know, but I did get away from her. Ocey's time was very different, though. Hell, women couldn't vote, own property or use birth control (legally). She grew up in a society of submission, even to other women. It's not like today where we can (and should) say "screw you!" and leave a bad situation and be able to have a means to support ourselves.

I'm sure I've mentioned that there's a high school located over the old school that Ocey's aunt/mother was the head mistress of. It's said to be haunted by that old hag and her sisters and the husband that she offed, too. I know, I know every school between here and Timbukto is said to be haunted, but if one ever was, I'd guess that one would be.
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I knew that Jim Jones had been doing mucho drugs and hitting the sauce pretty heavy, but I don't think I'd ever heard that he had a short time to live. Did the doctor tell him he only had that long to live? Or was it just the, "if you don't quit doing this you'll end up killing yourself" lecture?

Group/mob mentalities are a strange thing, throw in a cult atmosphere, isolation and desperation, people are capable of all sorts of horrid things. Plus, he'd been at them for months, ranting and raving on the loud speaker. I think they were exhausted in every way imaginable.

I was thinking that same thing the other day, not only have we been discussing all sorts of groovy topics for three years, we haven't been trolled or harrassed for the most part. I think because this film is so obscure it keeps the obnoxious twits away.

Off current topic, but did you happen to catch that special on TLC? Discovery? (I can't remember which channel it ran on) about the "werewolf" in 18th century French countryside? Forensic scientists/detctives reviewed the case and decided it was a hunter and his trained dog. The show was two hours long and I was doing other things so I couldn't give it my full attention like I wanted to, demmit. Hopefully it'll come back on. Whoever or whatever committed those murders was pretty prolific with it. Very victim specific, too.



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I would think it if it was a hyena it would be attacking everyone. They have nasty tempraments and they domake that weird laughing sound. It was probably all of those things, thrown into the mix and some copy cats acting out for grins and giggles, too. I was doing a 100 different things when the show wa son and couldn't give it my full attention. I keep hoping it will come back on at a time when I can sit down and watch the whole thing.

I guess the doctor figured JJ would overdose. I misunderstood and thought JJ had some dread terminal disease. I've dealt with junkies, you can tell which ones are circling the drain and which ones will just keep going and going.

I've seen a lot of shows and read some on the Manson gang. A son of his has emerged recently. He was a product of rape and is now in his early forties. He didn't know any of this until recently when his kook mother told him. If she kept it secret that long, why blurt it out now? I dunno, it seemed flakey and cruel to me. But then everybody in Manson's orbit was flakey and cruel to some extent.

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Manson had another son, who either commited suicide or accidently OD'ed on drugs. I can't remember which. This one is a different son. I found some more details and evidently this son was adopted out. But as adoptive children will, he tracked down his bio-mother and hounded her until she told him. I dunno, I think I would've just lied and said something like, "it was the 60's man, I don't remember a whole lot about that time". I'm ambivalent on that one.

I wish that show about the werewolf murders would come back on, I only caught it in bits and pieces because (as usual) I was trying to do ten other things at once. I think it was more than one person doing that stuff, from what little I got to catch of the show. The MO would change from murder to murder too much. But it was so long ago we'll never know for sure. Just like Jack the Ripper, the Black Dhalia and other old murder mysteries. Or even Natalie Holloway and other missing kids. :-(


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I would be suprised if there weren't more children, rather than if there were, considering the times.

I dunno, if it's consenting adults they can do what they want, but somebody always gets jealous and then free love becomes free hate and loathing. I read that the Manson family was eaten up with STD's that they continually passed back and forth to one another and anyone else who joined in on the "fun". That doesn't sound like "sexy time" to me. Plus with all that screwing and drugging, how were they earning a living? Commiting crimes of theft and extortion. Someone else always picks up the tab for that kind of lifestyle.

I'm going to check that link out right now, thanks!

I'm reading The Devil's Bones bones by Jefferson Bass right now. Dr. Bass founded the Body Farm at UT Knoxville and he still does research there as well. And Jon Jefferson is a journalist who covers forensics for various journals and magazines. I haven't decided what non-fiction I want to read next. So many books, so little time :-(

Oh yeah, Van Der Sloot and those two creepy brothers killed that poor girl, I just wonder what they did with her body. Those date rape drugs make people do things that wouldn't do otherwise and they also appear lucid while doing it. I bet she didn't even know she was leaving the bar with those creeps. I can't even imagine the anguish her parents or parent of any missing child is feeling.

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Hachi machie! Sorry I haven't been here in a while, between the weather and the holidays it's been nuts.

Nah, Manson was full of $hit. Self centered psychos can always justify the horrible things they do. That's just a bunch of hippie dippie bull crap he was spouting.

I caught up on the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory show over the holidays. I had heard about most of the things he covered years ago, but it's still a hoot to watch.

I've been reading books on hauntings around my area/state lately. Adding to my library. There's a new one out about Werewolves (in America) that I'm thinking about buying.
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I'm still here..I live, I live! :-)

I believe the daughter and children, but that dad of hers was just sketchy.
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I've been perusing the Werewolves in America book and I've been doing research online of Black Eyed Children phenomena (there's scant info out there, though).

I'm ambivalent about The Amittyville Horror. Butchie was a horrible junkie with mental problems so there's no doubt in my mind he did it. But why was everyone fast asleep after the first shotgun blast? And none of them slept on their stomachs, but that's how their bodies were found.

The Lutzes were in financial straights but why would they leave all their stuff behind including irreplaceable family heirlooms.The Warrens however, are totally sketchy and I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouth. That one photograph they took inside the house (of the evil boy) is obviously Lorraine and the camera flash is glinting off her cat eye glasses.

The house today has either been flat out moved or rotated (I'm confused as to which) so maybe it's not located in a way that evil finds appealing?
Even if the whole story is hokum, it never ceases to fascinate me. Everytime something comes on about it, I'm watching it like a moth to the flame :-)


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