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"You want me on that wall!"


When I saw that scene again recently, I thought about some of those on the left( Michael Moore, et al)who have criticized American Sniper.

" And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way."

Though misguided is his actions in this incident, I think the point that Jessup was making in his rant to Kaffee was the truth. If you saw this film when first released do you feel differently now since 9/11.

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I think i've always supported Jessup's statement here with the exception of "and then questions the manner in which I provide it". I think it's important to question, to challenge and especially to establish the parameters by which our freedom is established and defended.

After all, I want a babysitter on Friday nights. I NEED a babysitter on friday nights. But I will damn well question the manner in which the babysitter watches my children.
Or the manner in which Hannibal Lecter hosts a dinner party
Or the manner in which the police "protect and serve".






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Exactly. Jessup was there to provide a service to the American people, and if people don't question the manner in which he provides it, you end up with an egomaniac who thinks the freedom of two marines who didn't make the decision to commit the crime is less valuable than his own freedom.

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I think subordinates can question but in the end they need to follow orders. That is not to say the superiors don't always do the right thing...as in this case. However, as a practical matter you need a command structure. In the extreme if every soldier was allowed to question every order there would be chaos. I thought this was a good movie that presented the issues from both sides up until the end. Then it caved. I thought the defendants should have been found not guilty because they followed orders. I think after all the training they had drilling that point into their heads it was unreasonable to expect them to go against a direct order like tha. They should have questioned it..maybe argued...but in the end obeyed.

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I believe Jessup will believe to his dying day that Santiago's tragic demise 'saved lives' which is complete and utter crap IMO.


Yes I agree and not only is it utter crap, it is utter unprovable crap that cannot be justified by common sense or sound reasoning. It's nothing more than rhetoric. Jessep would have been better off taking Markinson's infinitely more sensible advise and moved Santiago off the base. That would have been just as likely to save lives too, and would have at least saved Willie's life.

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I'd have a lot more respect for this speech if Jessup were actually in a dangerous area but he was at Gitmo in Cuba. The Cubans never even looked wrong at a Marine in 30 years let alone fired a shot at one. The base should have been in the Middle East or the DMZ in South Korea

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" And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way."


The part that always bugged me about this speech is that Jessup seems to feel that he is personally responsible for America's freedom. There's too many assumptions here.

Strictly speaking, it's the Constitution and Bill of Rights which provide and guarantee our freedom, along with a government ostensibly committed to following its own laws (more or less) and a staunchly freedom-loving populace who support their freedom and fiercely defend their rights when needed.

One could just as easily argue that it was the civil rights and anti-war protesters of the 60s who did more to "provide" our freedom, since they stood up against the establishment and the government. The corruption, megalomania, and paranoia behind the national security state were bigger threats to American freedom than anything any external enemy could have caused.

By the same token (regarding your point about 9/11), Jessup was subtly defending American interventionism and our alliance system, which (among other things) advanced the belief that people from countries deemed "friendly" to the U.S. could and should be considered trustworthy and given entry and free access throughout the country. It was this misguided perception which allowed the 9/11 bombers to carry out their despicable acts.

Besides all that, from a logistical and geopolitical standpoint, one might question how commanding a base in Cuba actually "provides" freedom for Americans living on American soil. It doesn't even really defend American territory.

When was the last time America's territory was ever seriously threatened with invasion? The War of 1812? Even that didn't work out too well for the invaders. The Civil War might count, although that was American vs. American - an internal struggle for freedom, not a struggle against an enemy from without. Then there was that tiff with Pancho Villa, although that wasn't much in the grand scheme of things. Even the Germans and Japanese during WW2 were not in any position to launch any serious invasion of America's mainland.

During the Cold War, the gravest threat faced by America was from Soviet nuclear missiles, which was more a matter of technology, science, and engineering. In that sense, scrawny but brainy nerds who worked for defense contractors did more to defend and "provide" American freedom than anything Jessup could have claimed. (Notice how Jessup scorned Lt. Weinberg, who was kind of a nerdy geek type himself, not a chest-pounding super jock like Jessup or Kendrick.)

Moreover, Jessup's implication is that he and others like him are indispensable while suggesting that ordinary civilian types are somehow incapable and helpless without them. That's also a load of crap which shouldn't be believed one iota.

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Well said djewell.

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...what the god-damn crap ae you talking about.
What "truth".
There's no "truth", there's just facts.
And here's the fact of you excusing militaristic megalomaniacs' notions and actions under the pretense of "defense".

Hitler himself claimed being a savior of the whole world, while trying to justify his crimes against it.
I wonder if you feel any differently about Hitler since "A Few Good Men" was released.

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Of course a dooshbag doesn't get the point. It's like debating with children.

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...first start dealing with your spelling impediment and then we can talk about "children".

Memory is a wonderful thing if you don't have to deal with the past

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Only the clueless wouldn't not know why I spelled it that way. I'll clue you in genius so you'll know. It's the poster's way of getting around the censorship by the site monitor. If you spelled it correctly, they censor it by adding stars. For example, washcloud is a d**chebag. Now do you get it Mr Clueless?

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Cuba wants to take our freedom? The cold war is over.

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