I wonder if it was rated what it would be?
I havn't been able to find a rating most just say it a NR (not reated) but i wonder if it was what it would be?
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In the US, one min. of sex scenes between Irons and Binoche were cut out to ensure the R rating. Dont know if it was a full scene or 2 cut, seconds of scenes scattered throught out cut, or combination of the 2. Also dont know if it was presented to the ratings board as it originally was, then the cuts happen, or if the cuts were a preventative measure pushed by the US distributors, Miramax. Never saw what was cut either.
This film is the last of a Malle retrospective being screened in NYC in July. They're showing only the US cut.
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lol america is so prudish it's quite funny
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compared with the UK though, generally they are. The porn industry has no bearing on that. When we see American TV here we laugh because they cover up everything, the even slightest suggestion of a breast is fuzzed out. On things like americas next top model its purely comical, like all 20 yr old virgins which frankly would be a rare occurance here. It's just very different.
"hope can set you free"
"compared with the UK though, generally they are."
Or Canada. I can get both Canadian and American TV and Canada censors much less than broadcasters in the States.
And there lies the irony.
The only time Americans see sex or nudity is in the context of crude, debasing pornography.
Can't be healthy.
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I'm generalising, but it's true isn't it?
If American culture removes nudity from mainstream films (which it did a long time ago... how many Hollywood films have full frontal nudity, from either sex?) then the only time that American teenagers see a woman naked on film is in the context of porn.
Any questions?
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<the only time that American teenagers see a woman naked on film is in the context of porn >
thats so not true, their are many movies and hbo/show time type shows that have naked women not having sex don't talk about things u don't necessarily know about.
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In my experience we europeans tend to be more clued up than americans.
This is the general view of people here and of some people over there.
As I said, I live in a border city and can get Canadian TV.
Canadians tend to be "oh, a bare bum, a pair of boobs, big deal. Is Hockey Night in Canada on?"
With us...especially with the arch-right-wing Bush administration...well, I'll just say two words: Janet Jackson.
"In my experience we europeans tend to be more clued up than americans."
I am sure that is true. We americans have a lot of issues about our bodies and sex.
Well, in truth, you do have to give some Americans credit. There are far more Americans than you think who find it absolutely absurd that a pair of breasts is much worse than seeing someone's head get blown off. The American Film industry has challenged this stance numerous times. Most Americans are perfectly okay with showing sex on television. It's the higher ups (the politicians mostly) who have the problem with it. They're the ones who made it a taboo subject.
If you watch some Indie Films, though, you'll see quite a bit of sex that isn't in pornography in any way.
I hear that some European Films have also had problems with graphic sex and the argument over whether or not its "Porno" lands in those shores sometimes as well. Certainly not as much as it does in America.
Still, there are things that Americans are thinking that are not shown on television, you know. If you read the opinion columns in the paper, read books on the subject, look at surveys etc., you'll see that America has very few issues with sex. The MPAA is especially guilty for making American film makers who show sex cut so much of it. They're also guilty for cutting a lot out of European Films that come this way as well. The problem is that most people don't want to read all that stuff and the news does a very bad job of reporting it. Instead they'd rather show you something else and make you believe that most actual Americans would rather have Johnny watching Saving Private Ryan than a film like The Dreamers or Damage. In truth, most actual Americans are pretty liberal on sexuality in movies and on television. More so than people think.
I would agree that America is behind developmentally than Europe, but they are starting to liven up at least. If only we could get rid of the NC-17 rating being applied to any film that has male nudity in it.
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>>It's the higher ups (the politicians mostly) who have the problem with it. They're the ones who made it a taboo subject.<<
Ever so true. For those who don't live in this country, the Republican Party (the party of George W. Bush) has been on a so-called, self-proclaimed "moral crusade" ever since Ronald Reagan became President in 1980. For nearly any Republican politician to win elective office above the local level, s/he has to pander to the so-called "values voters" who would like to eradicate depictions of any kind of sexuality in the public sphere, including sex education in the public schools.
If you're familiar with Pat Robertson and the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, you'll know what I mean.
Lest you think I'm an anti-religious bigot, I once considered studying for the Lutheran ministry and am still active in that faith. I just don't believe in shoving my faith and values down anyone else's throat.
Many of these people are just fine with a very violent war/crime/Western movie or TV show, but let Janet Jackson accidentally(?) show her nipple at halftime during the Super Bowl and the Federal Communications Commission lowers the boom for "indecency."
"Saving Private Ryan" is a well-made movie that shows all too well the horrors of war - real human suffering and death. However, I do not feel young children should be watching it, at least not without parents right there to explain that what they're seeing is not actually happening; it's a dramatic re-creation of historical events, but that real war (like in Iraq) is really like that - violent and bloody.
Living in a border city as I do, I notice a night-and-day difference between Americans and Canadians on the subject of sexuality - in fact, several years ago, a group of women in Ontario sued for the right to go topless in public, saying that allowing men to do so but requiring that women not do so was a double standard under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
And they won.
However, I've not seen it being put into practice any of the times that I've been there.
yeah i've found this, Europe is far more liberal about sex, not always in a ood way i mean he uk has massively high teenage pregnancy rates etc...but like mainland europe is rampant! I fear for my knickers when i go haha, they have a great attitude!
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What, full-frontally naked, or just the occasional breast/arse?
I'm interested, please go on.
Oh and by the way I'm Australian not European ;)
Your Commonwealth friends in Canada have much more freedom to show explicit sex on TV than broadcast channels here in the U.S. do.
Mostly just the occasional breast/arse, but I have seen brief full frontal on Canadian TV (usually late at night). A couple of months ago I watched some sort of cop/crime drama on a Canadian station that showed two women having sex.
A few years ago I saw "Less Than Zero" (which was fairly explicit) on a Toronto TV station and they showed it uncut.
I've never seen it, but I hear French-language broadcasting in Quebec is even more explicit.
Here in the States, you hear more profanity than in years past, but nudity is still mostly for pay cable channels.
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Ok. Back to the actual ? at hand: I ordered this movie yesterday and it said it was rated R. I'll post more of what I see when it comes.