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Serious errors - SPOLIERS


This movie had some of the dumbest mistakes I have ever seen in a movie. One has to overlook these things in order to enjoy an Argento movie, granted, but this movie goes too far, even for him.

The characters constantly refer to Aura's anorexia, but we see her throwing up right after she eats. Surely she has bulimia, not anorexia. That said, she also starves herself. So does she have both? Is that even possible?

Secondly, I find it hard to believe that the cops wouldn't have found out pretty quickly that there was a clear connection between all the victims - it wasn't exactly a huge secret that these people had once worked together and the cops would've known that almost immediately after the second murder.

It also made me chuckle that Rydell's character was so determined to catch the killer himself instead of just giving the information he had to the police. We were given no reason for Rydell's supposed altruism at all.

Nor was it explained why this 20-something newspaper cartoonist (or whatever he was) lived in a house with a huge garden backing onto a lake - how does he afford that?

Then there was the scene where he and Aura returned to her parents' house THE DAY AFTER two murders took place there and there were no cops anywhere, just a measly 'do not cross' tape across the porch. That place would have been crawling with cops; crime scene workers, forensic people, criminal psychologists...

Perhaps the worst bit was immediately after they escaped the mental institution where Aura was being held. Rydell saw two of the dead bodies right before they left ("you did it, you did it..."). In the next scene they're watching the news back at his place and there's a report about the murders and he's like "Look, there were murders at the hospital", like he didn't already know. What's with that?!? I have heard that there are lots of scenes cut from some versions of this movie, but I can't imagine how that could possibly be explained.

Besides that, the script was sooooo bad. The dialogue was so clumsy and obvious. One has to wonder what the hell Frederick Forrest, Brad Dourif and Piper Laurie were thinking when they signed up for this movie...

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I agree with most of your observations for I haven't noticed them and I'm pretty observative.

But I want to let you know something, 10 years ago my mother was murdered in my own house, and I was the one to have found her. Not only did they leave tape over my door the next day and were absent but I had to clean up her brains and fluid in which I couldn't, my sister had to. -True Story.

Also, the part of the mental institution: I understand what you're saying for it seemed that way but I thought Tydell was surprised that the murders were linked as supposed to them being unfortunate acts done by the insane at an opportune time.

I don't think the script was so bad. It was vintage Argento c'mon. And these Actors either were apart of the movie for that fact and or they needed work and sometimes professionalism isn't defined by skill but humility as well.

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I think Aura was anorexic. In the beginning she has two bites of food just to make David happy, and when she throws up after she didn't gag herself, I think it was because her body wasn't used to food.

And then in David's house, I think she tries to start eating but again it doesn't work.

And I think the reason the police didn't find a connection between all the deaths is because Aura's parents were mediums as opposed to doctors so they had seemingly no link at all.

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Anorexics do not throw up their food because they don't eat. Bulimics binge and then throw up their food. Take another look at the scene where David Parsons gets up at night and searches the house for Aura. The kitchen is a gigantic mess. There is food everywhere like a bunch of wild hogs went crazy, then Aura is found retching in the toilet. There's definitely some confusion as to which disorder she suffers from.

The whole anorexia subplot was awkward for me. When first watching it I thought it was as though the entire movie came to a halt and we were watching an ABC After School Special. The scene with Parsons' co-worker/friend preaching about the symptoms and dangers of anorexia was just weird. Then driving down the street staring at all the skinny girls...I was really confused until I came to IMDB and saw that Dario Argento had been touched by anorexia on a personal level. Still, I think taking time out of a gory, slasher type film to discuss an eating disorder is just strange.

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All this talk about serious errors and not ONE mention of the single most glaring error of all, the one that almost made me turn this movie off.

When you make any sound with your voice, be it speaking, screaming, or just gurgling and wheezing, does anybody know what is actually making the sound?

I'll answer for you. It is air propelled from your lungs over your larynx (voice box) and then expelled through the mouth, where it can be formed into sounds and words by using the tongue, teeth and lips.

So my question is this: How in the name of everything holy can a severed head scream or talk? SERIOUSLY?

We will notice that the protagonist has some pretty sweet digs for his expected income level but not the fact that SEVERED HEAD CAN NOT MAKE ANY NOISE!!!!

Sorry for the rant, I just couldn't believe that wouldn't be mentioned in a thread for errors in this movie.

A body of black
that carried no reflection
defying it's own room
un-earthly eggs of decreation

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I've a few answers. 1: Her dad wasn't killed inside the house. 2: A severed head can talk if it is just a horror movie, right?

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2: A severed head can talk if it is just a horror movie, right?


Nope

Maybe they don't show up on infra red at all.....

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It was not an error since it was made on purpose! Its unrealistic, but anyway...

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I think it just adds to the charm of the film. I love Italian horror movies for their wonderfully random "So what if it doesn't make sense, imagine the audiences reaction!" attitude.

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Yep. And you're being too kind even yet - how about the fact that the nurse's severed head adjusts its postition on the floor so better to speak clearly?

Those are some impressive neck muscles!

Takes me right out of the movie. Otherwise, I can even almost overlook Dourif's death if I tell myself it's a Vertigo homage.

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The distinction between the diagnoses of anorexia nervosa, bulimia nervosa and eating disorder not otherwise specified (EDNOS) is often difficult to make in practice and there is considerable overlap between patients diagnosed with these conditions. Furthermore, seemingly minor changes in a patient's overall behavior or attitude (such as reported feeling of 'control' over any binging behavior) can change a diagnosis from 'anorexia: binge-eating type' to bulimia nervosa. It is not unusual for a person with an eating disorder to 'move through' various diagnoses as his or her behavior and beliefs change over time.

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(OP) "The characters constantly refer to Aura's anorexia, but we see her throwing up right after she eats. Surely she has bulimia, not anorexia. That said, she also starves herself. So does she have both? Is that even possible?"

When someone hasn't eaten in such a long time, their body is not used to the intake of food and will get sick. She was not making herself throw up so I wouldn't say she was bulimic.


(OP) "Rydell's character was so determined to catch the killer himself instead of just giving the information he had to the police. We were given no reason for Rydell's supposed altruism at all"

Rydell had Aura in his home, if he went to the police they would take her away.


(OP) "Nor was it explained why this 20-something newspaper cartoonist (or whatever he was) lived in a house with a huge garden backing onto a lake - how does he afford that?"

This does not need an explanation whatsoever. A million reasons can justify this. Inheritance, funds from family, rent... You are just nit-picking now!

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One thing I don't get is why in the world Laurie's character killed her own husband even though he had nothing to do with a death of their baby. He was just there to support her as a father of the baby. Also, why she did killed him when she killed him, instead doing this some place else, where she wouldn't have to play hide and seek with her daughter?

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These so-called "serious errors" are bollocks.


1. From Wikipedia: "Some individuals may tend to alternate between bulimia nervosa and anorexia nervosa." and "Some sufferers of anorexia nervosa exhibit episodes of bulimic tendencies through purging (either through self-induced vomiting or laxatives) as a way to quickly remove food in their system."

There you go. Before complaining about things you don't know, do some research.

2. After the 2nd murder? That would have been the mother or the father. How could they make the connection? The police's part wasn't pivotal in that movie. Obviously it wasn't theirs to solve the mystery.

3. "We were given no reason for Rydell's supposed altruism at all."

No reason? He liked the girl. That was pretty darn obvious! He protected her, didn't want her to be taken back to the clinic. Clearly talking to the cops wasn't an option.

4. "How does he afford a house like that?"

Perhaps he has rich parents? an inheritance? was lodging at a friend's home? For Pete's sake, use your imagination. They're not going to spend 1 hour explaining why such character has this, does that, etc.

5. "THE DAY AFTER two murders took place there and there were no cops anywhere, just a measly 'do not cross' tape across the porch. That place would have been crawling with cops"

Really? Do you think cops stay all day and all night on one crime scene? I've never seen such zeal, even in American movies.

6. In Italian he doesn't say "Look, there were murders at the hospital", he says: "Aura! Aura! Come here! They're talking about the Farraday clinic! Look! Look!" and Aura replies: "Ah! But this one, this one! It was my nurse!" It was awkwardly done, ok, but nothing inherently wrong per se.



None of these were serious or even errors. They were just pushing suspension of disbelief too far and too often, or were too careless, which is rather typical of later Argento's movies. He became sloppy. The talking heads, yeah, that was peculiar... but fun also! For me, the worst bit was that the police identified the wrong body as the mother's. That's one hugeass mistake. The pathologist just lost his job. Forever.

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