Giant Plot Hole (SPOILERS)


Was anyone else disappointed or disgusted with the giant plot hole at the end of the film? The one where the boys return to Detroit from Canada without the drugs or the money and they (according to the voice over) simply move on with their lives -- no consequences at all.

Even in 1975, that would have gotten you killed real quick.

Not even an explanation in the closing voiceover -- which still should have been done by Josh Charles and not the director who sounds nothing at all like him. I'm guessing it was an ego thing.

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Not at all , it was a test , more less to see which direction their lives would go in a sense . If you listen to Tim explain that he would be afraid to get through because he would do it again , and again and end up dead . Mort goes on to become a full-time student and hence the writer of this awesome flick . At that age you are either in school , or stuck in a rut it seems like the story says . But are you doing what is really important ? What makes you happy ? Maybe that takes more risk and courage .

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I think you missed Explorer's point. He's saying that simply ditching the car at the border wasn't going to get them out of trouble. Whomever gave them the money in the first place was obviously a very serious drug dealer - and he's going to want either the drugs or his money back.

And as soon as they show up back home with neither, then lights out.

Like Greedo told Han Solo as he shoved a gun in his chest, "(Jabba) has no use for smugglers who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser."

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As much as I love Josh Charles -- I couldn't do that.

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Yeah but they could have come up with some story that they got caught.And I think the one that would end up screwed would have been John.Remember he was the one that asked them to the favor for him anyway because he was worried about getting caught for going over the border too much.Then again wasn't it all for him anyway?And I've heard people say well the car would trace back to them.Wrong.If you listen to Mort he tells Danny the car wasn't registered in anyone's name that would trace back to them.

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Not really. Remember, virtually no-one had seen them before. Also, this was the 70's, where tracing a car was much tougher then it is now. They left the car behind and left the everything behind. There was little that anyone could have done to find them.

Pie Iesu Domine, dona eis Requiem.

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But tracing a car wouldn't be too hard for the border patrol who we should assume would discover the drugs. Also they leave the car and go to the walk in shed...and noone notices they abandoned the car? I thought it was a good film, but yes, an inconsistent ending.

Play the game existence 'til the end...of the beginning...

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I don't think it was the authorities they really had to worry about. It's the drug dealer who gave them the money in the first place...and is now waiting for his big package of heroin. We never met that character, but it was whomever David Schwimmer (the coughing joint smoker) hooked them up with. And he'd have no problem tracking them down. And not that I've ever trafficked drugs before, but I'm pretty sure that there's only one acceptable excuse for returning with no money or drugs - and that's being busted and thrown in jail. Whomever that guy is, he's going to go after them to get his money back. Maybe he'd kill them, maybe he wouldn't...but either way those guys had BIG problems when they got home.

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you know, last year I was at the US/Canada border in Detroit, and I didn't see any kind of walk-in shed like they had in the movie. In fact, there is a sign there that says "no walkers". Is it possible that people can no longer just walk across?

I am assuming that they would have halted the walk-throughs as soon as the empty car was discovered, as they would not have just figured that someone just decided to park it there and then leave. So I am wondering how they would have been able to make it across the border anyway

but to answer your other question, the car was not registered to any of them, so tracing it back to anyone would have been next to impossible, even today, much less back in 1975

but yeah, I am sure that drug dealer will want his money or the drugs, so they did not get off scott-free, unless that pot smoking guy(the one who was coughing) paid off their debt to the dealer or something, who knows?

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Personally I don't think he ever existed.I think it was for Schimmer's character all along.

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Like I mentioned in a previous answer just before they get out of the car Mort says to Danny the car isn't registered in any of our names.

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The car wasn't registered in any of their names.Remember when Mort said that to Danny just before they decided to ditch it?

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Voyageur's[sic] point is still valid, at least as far as there being a plot hole.

No drug dealer is going to look the other way when it comes to their product. Even if the border guards couldn't trace the drugs or the car back to the three boys, the drug dealer would easily be able to track them down. No doubt he would have wanted his drugs, or the money he was going to make on them.

That is a pretty huge plot hole. It leaves the movie off on an impossible note -- that everyone went on with their lives and they just drifted apart, despite the fact they just, essentially, wasted a drug dealer's heroin shipment.

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Okay here is the deal. The David Schwimmer character explained that he couldn't go over the border anymore because the authorities were too familiar with him. Now if you know anything about the narcotics trade, it is full of middle men. That said, if you consider the credibility of Schwimmer's character, it would be logical to assume that any "big time" drug dealer wouldn't give him the time of day, let alone large amounts of money to do a drug deal, especially because he can't cross the border "safely." In the narcotics trade, everybody gets a piece of the action. The David Schwimmer character isn't going to cut in Danny, Mort and Tim and give them all the money and he isn't going to leave himself open to be ripped off. So theoretically, let's say that Schwimmer is keeping half of the money that he collected from various sources and used the other half to buy the heroin in Canada. He is allowing Danny, Mort and Tim to split the profit three ways, once the product is sold. If we remain in this logic, it is reasonable to assume that Schwimmer collected money from multiple sources and over charged them for the going rate of heroin so that he could easily make his cut off the top. Anyone investing a large amount of money (as stated in the movie) to buy heroin, while not being directly involved with the transaction AND trusting a character like Schwimmer to take care of it for them is ignorant, a complete novice, not a big time drug dealer and an utter fool. So since the three ditched the car (which is unregistered, as stated in the voice over in the first 10 minutes of the film - and in 1975 the DMV was on a card and file system - very slow and time consuming to sift through) only half of the money was actually lost. Now, if and when the Schwimmer character finds out that the deal didn't go through, he isn't going to go look for Mort, Danny and Tim because he is has already covered himself when he over charged the people that he collected from to buy the heroin in the first place. He isn't going to go look for the three, he is going to split town and the people he collected from are going to be looking for him and not Danny, Mort and Tim.

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Dude, that's a pretty solid explanation.

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Yeah, man. I love this film. I am a writer, so this stuff is easy to sort out. That and I know a lil bit about the drug trade from back in the day.

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Zep that is a good theory, but ... Did you see how much money that was in the briefcase? It looked like a lot of cash. It was one hundred dollar bills bundled (each bundle appeared to be fifty single one hundred dollar bills, I have worked with putting together stacks of one dollar bills and they come in fifty singles to a bundle and those were the same size as the hundred stacks in the brief case) the stacks are least five high and as wide as would fit into a briefcase.

Schwimmers character would not have been able to put together this kind of a deal. (staying with your logic) You give him no credit among smart drug dealers but you give him credit enough to go to a lot of different dealers and put together what had to be fifty to a hundred thousand dollars in 1978?

That is a job by somebody with some mental sharpness. And he offered the boys thirty thousand to go through with it. His cut would have to be enormous for him to make a profit.

If, if he could pull all this off, I don't think he would let the boys off so easily even if he was the only one who knew they were involved.

Now, I will concede that Schwimmer was the only one that knew about the boys. At best he was killed by one of his money men before he could tell them about the boys or get to them himself.

This is all a leap. They would have had some consequences and that is a big hole in the movie. Along with the dialogue. It was a bit lame most of the time. It did show some realistic insight to post high school life for kids that do not have the means to go to college of the want. But the dialogue was sophomoric at best which is why this movie never received more attention.

Good acting, poor writing. Good ideas, lazy execution.





"Sit down Waldo!"

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That pretty much sums everything up.

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I've been watching a lot of Locked Up Abroad lately, and I feel the same way as the OP; when they got back they would have been VERY luck if they had not least gotten a very good-ass kicking, let alone death for all the missing heroin/money.

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While everyone is explaining the consequences of coming back with no money or drugs, they missed some other obvious plot holes. It is true on the actual smuggling trip their behavior around the car was highly suspicious. It was in sight of the Border Guards and was enough that they would be held and the car thoroughly searched. However, it is unlikely they would have gotten that far.
During the dry run, the Border Patrol did not ask for registration when they asked for Drivers license and ID. Stolen cars are one of the things commonly smuggled so registration would be an issue. No paperwork on car results in jail on preliminary charge and no car. The car would sit in impound until the right paperwork was shown and arrangements made to get it out. (I have been told that these days proof of insurance for driving in Canada is also required just to drive into Canada, I am not sure if that is true or when it may have started but it is also a consideration.)
Check points are a two way thing, both in and out of Canada. They are worried about things being smuggled both ways. Their paperwork would have been required to enter Canada. So they would not have made it into Canada the first time. This means the plot line based on the smuggling would likely end at the dry run because after that they would be known at the border, their names, pictures, and fingerprints would be in the database, and they would have a real reason to be paranoid.


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