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The Fantastic Four, Captain America, Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, Howard the Duck, Supergirl... wich is the worst of the worst and wich is the best of the worst comicbook movies ever.

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Catwoman sucked pretty bad. So did Steel and Batman & Robin.

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the justice league tv pilot... the worst Superhero adaptation EVER!!!

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I like Howard the Duck...

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All pale before the awesome suckage that is Tomb of Dracula.

Josh

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ARE YOU GONNA EVEN TELL ME THAT YOU COULD SIT THROUGH SUPERMAN 3 BEFORE SUPERMAN 4?DON'T EVEN KNOCK SUPERMAN 4 WITHOUT TRASHING CRAP LIKE SUPERMAN 3 FIRST,BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WORST ONE OF ALL OF THEM.

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(I think you left your caps lock key on.)

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Are you fine, you need some pills... Superman 3 was gr8!

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I saw Superman 3 in the theater and loved it. And I would rather watch it than Superman 1. I have never made it all the way through Superman 4.

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Generation X, a TV movie made in 1996 and based on one of the lesser-known of Marvel's X Men spin-offs. Clearly a post-Batman Forever superhero adaptation, with the same garish colour scheme, similar music, and Matt Frewer doing his best Jim Carrey impersonation. The effects were very ropey - one character, for example, could stretch his body like Mr Fantastic, leading to a number of "rubber hand on a stick" moments. The storyline almost completely bypassed the themes of prejudice and alienation from the comics and focussed on some load of old nonsense about a mad scientist trying to access the "dream dimension" (using mutant brain fluid (!?)).

The tradgedy of it was that if the makers of the film had waited a few years, until Bryan Singer had made X Men, they could have copied that instead.

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Generation X, a TV movie made in 1996 and based on one of the lesser-known of Marvel's X Men spin-offs.


I vaguely remember that one and yeah it was pretty darn bad.

IMHO there isn't any movie, "superhero" or otherwise, that tops [or bottoms?] 'Batman & Robin'. I won't bore you with why; if you've seen it you know what I mean. They had all the money and resources in the world [unlike some of these other travesties] and the result is an orgy of excess.

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"IMHO there isn't any movie, "superhero" or otherwise, that tops [or bottoms?] 'Batman & Robin'. I won't bore you with why; if you've seen it you know what I mean. They had all the money and resources in the world [unlike some of these other travesties] and the result is an orgy of excess. "


Partly because it was an anticipated sequel and that always means with all that studio money they have an opportunity to over-produce and over-promote with product placement and cameos. And of course, they had to make it campy and it has to appeal to kids so they'll go to McDonald's and BK to get the latest product tie-ins and buy the soundtrack. Is it any wonder Hollywood receives fewer and fewer Academy Awards every year ??

I thought the FOX version of Nick Fury: Agent of SHEILD was really bad. It gets my vote for the worst and Daredevil is the worst theatrical release.

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something really funny, can't remember whats its called, but that massive ass book of film reviews you can get hold of (its literally huge)was lying around in my grandmother's house.

I was decidedly bored so i decided to look up some of my favourite films. Superman: The Movie got "*" Superman 2 got "nothing" and Supergirl was given "**"

what the hell is up with that?

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Was it Leonard Maltin's book?? He don't know what he's talking about.

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no i don't think it had a psecific author. More a gigantic compendium of short movie reviews.

Dman it, this is killing me i can't remember what it was called!

AAAAAARGH!

- Quietly beautiful, like a turd in a lake.

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While the Superman 2/ Supergirl score difference was crazy, I actually liked SG, it seemed more camp than crap.

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video hound.. movie watchdog?

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Halliwells?

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Actually I never saw that pilot, but I remember seeing an ad for it, and at the time it struck me that the design of the characters was such that I think the idea was that it cameout almost in prallel with the comic. When the pilot tanked, they changed the comic design as well.

In my opinion, the worse I have seen outside of other considerations is the Captain America film. B & R was bad, but had some redeeming qualities, and was damned mainly in comparison with its predecessors. Corman's FF was pretty bad. Lets not forget Lundgren's Punisher from the list...

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Can made for TV movies be considered? If so, THe Doctor Strange movie was bad, the two Captain America movies from the 70s were far worse than the 1990 version. Spawn was horrible, and if you're throwing Batman and Robin under the bus, then we should also include Batman Forever which was the worse of the two in my opinion.

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Great point. Most of the others (save "Howard The Duck") were hampered by lousy budgets (Superman IV) and recuts by the studio (Supergirl), but Batman & Robin had all the money, resources, and talent in the world, and they still blew it.

I still can't believe that Joel Schumacher directed "A Time To Kill," and yet turned out utter crap like "B&R."

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Don't forget that Akiva Goldman, the writer of A Time to Kill was also responsible for B&R.

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like someone else said that Justice League Pilot may just be the worst thing I seen. Gen X was better than that, and that was pretty poor itself.

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Gen X wasn't bad for a made for TV pilot.

FTW: Finola Hughes dressed as Emma Frost.

The guy they had playing Banshee made him seem pretty tough, so that was a win as well.

Remember that pilot had about as much money to do special effects as you spend on groceries for a week and it was way before CG was widely available.

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SPOILERS WITHIN FOR THE UNINIATED:

The 1966 Batman movie is fun to watch, because it's hilarious to make fun of...bat-shark repellant anybody? Although in the form of a serious adaptation it tanks considerably. Oh, and mentioning tanks...Tank Girl as the worst, anybody? Vampirella? Barb Wire has probably been overlooked because we've been looking at Pam Anderson for too long on the unrated DVD to notice the drastic flop of a film it is!

Back to Batman though, the movie is tolerable...recently watched the two parter where the Green Hornet guest stars...and it's not even so bad it's funny, it is literally intolerable to anybody who can think with a high school education. Adam West techno-babble is either a disaster or a form of rare art in disguise...the art of nonsensical techno-babble about trivial devices that doesn't further any plot, doesn't make technological sense, and makes you feel sorry for whoever wrote such atrocious dialog.

Back to bad superhero films.

Fantastic 4 1994: I'm not even going to get into special effects, that is moot. They made Reed Richards a cradle robber to justify his gray side burns...Sue's in grade school when he's in college...there shouldn't be that much of an age gap between them (not saying older people can't date younger people, but with the way the movie presents it...it's weird, and of course it doesn't stay in line w/the comis etc.). Then you have a guy who looks like Mole Man, acts like Mole Man, but he's the sinister criminal called...the Jeweler? If you had rights to the name Dr. Doom (in classic comic costume...which as a fan is a plus, as well as the Thing's representation too) you could've sprung for the name Mole Man. At least on some level, it did try to appeal to the fans...unlike other films more recently.

Captain America 1991: You have to give them props for at least keeping the WWII origin. Sure, a plastic surgery fixed Red Skull is less intimidating, and frankly Ronny Cox shouldn't play a president unless it's an alternate timeline...he's the last cinematic heavy, constant we love him to be the bad guy actor...ever since Robocop! Yet 1994's Forever Young did the whole WWII cryogenics and look up your past thing infinetely better...but then again it had Mel Gibson as the lead too...so better acting camne a bit more naturally. I still think this cap film is cool to watch, although it could've been better if set completely in WWII.

Superman 3: It plays like a bad episode of the New Scooby-Doo Movies. Superman meets Richard Pryor! For a decade everytime this film was on TV I fell asleep before the end. I wanted to see the end so badly, but then when I saw it...finally seeing the conclusion with the bad attempt at creating Brainiac...well, let's say when I fell asleep prior to that it was for the better! Superman 1 & 2 proved that unknowns could make superhero success, and bringing in Richard Pryor and Robert Vaughn didn't help Superman 3.

Batman & Robin: The worst movie with the best cast. Uma Thurman. Arnold Schwartzenegger. George Clooney. How their careers survived this movie is the greatest mystery of the 20th century...move over Jimmy Hoffa! Bat-nipples. Click your bat-heels to release your bat-skates. Batman fights the Hockey Players of Doom. Bane, the villain that braks Batman's back in the comics, the villain he didn't initially defeat, is a waste of villain and time as a glorified henchman. Adam West and George Clooney become interchangeable in this film. Yet it's a guilty pleasure...the film you love to hate but when you're bored out of your mind you watch it...or the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers movie...or if you're in the 10th level of boredom...Meteor Man. This is the only film that the director apologizes to the audience in the special features...at least he's admitted his sins and asked for our forgiveness, yet there are some on this earth that are truly unforgiven.

But what is the worst of the worst? Something that transcends pathetic and brings us only pain and suffering to even attempt watching no matter how much we want to like it?

I paid $20 for this DVD, and eventually it came down to under $2 brand new, 2 disc special edition, at Wal-Mart. It wasn't even worth $1 but even that would be reasonable.

Ang Lee's The Hulk.

The acting was better than most the films I've listed, and of course the special effects were unparalleled. Mutant dogs are not an option. Hulk as Son of Absorbing Man? Ludicrous. Hulk smash sand, Hulk show green men can jump, Hulk bore you in desert!

Here be SPOILERS too:

The Incredible Hulk though, was simply INCREDIBLE. Hulk fights Abomination. That sequence alone was worth the price of admission. Seeing Hulk clap out the flames brought a tear to my eyes, and by the time I heard "Hulk Smash!", it was so beautiful I couldn't help but weep with joy of seeing the Hulk of the comics, the REAL HULK, on the screen for the first time done the way it was supposed to be. The film pays homage to the TV show, sticks true to the comics, brings in more of the Marvel Universe, and literally makes up for the disappointment that Ang Lee gave us.

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Exchronos

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It might have been because I was a fan of Batman at the time it came out and was really disappointed, but Batman and Robin is the worst, in terms of being a let down... I just wouldn't have expected much from the rest (other than maybe Superman 3 but I was young enough to enjoy that)

And the bat suit had nipples? What I want to know though is why Bat-girl's bat suit didn't!

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The un-released Fantastic 4 movies wasnt bad really. But was very very unfinished and so what you find on sale suffers for that.

Worst adaptions in my book to date are...

Man-Thing: gaaah! that was bad.
Elektra: Aside from the names of characters, allmost un-recognizable.
Superman: Doomsday: Gawd how could they have botched it so badly???
Iron Man: Animated: Cheap CG and a totally botched Mandarin. ugh!
Doctor Strange: Animated: Starts out good then progressively derails.
Aquaman: in name only.
Smallville: The rest of the planet may love it. I hated it.
X-Men 3: Not too bat till they kill off Cyclops and Professor X and then absolutely botch Phoenix.
Spiderman 3: There is just so much gone wrong with this one.
Superman Returns: one screwup after another.
Fantastic 4: Silver Surfer: boy did that one fail to deliver. Galactus is a cloud? Yeah... riiiight...
Batman Begins: Everyone else may go ga-ga over this. I just did not like it.

Its amazing just how often stuff like this fails. How hard is it to read a comic and plot things out using it as the basis for the storyboard? Apparently its nigh impossible for Hollywood.

And of course what I detest someone else likes and what they hate maybee I like. Such is entertainment.

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When you say Iron Man: Animated do you mean Iron Man from the 1990s cartoon or

Iron Man Armored Adventures because I kind of liked that one

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If we're just going with movies - 'Superman IV' still gets my vote for crappiest movie of all time, though I never did see 'Howard the Duck'.
'Superman Returns' was pretty crappy.
'Supergirl' was actually fun in a campy sort of way.

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WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS DUMP ON SUPERMAN 4?AT LEAST YOU CAN SIT THROUGHT THAT ONE.SUPERMAN 3 WAS THE WORST.DON'T FORGET TO INCLUDE BATMAN AND ROBIN,ELEKTRA AND THE GREEN HORNET WAS PRETTY BAD TOO.

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turn off caps or STFU!

SUps 3 better then 2 and 4 for sure!

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If you mean Corman's Fantastic Four, I have not seen it. The rest of these picks, well, I would go with Howard the Duck which is unwatchable. Superman IV is a campy and entertaining movie that was severely screwed up by a lesser budget - it is a hell of alot better than Superman III. Captain America isn't bad either, but again, a lesser budget limited the movie's strengths, and it lacks a coherent screenplay. Overall, Supergirl is a fun movie.

Batman and Robin is among the worst of the worst.

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I don't think you can lump Adam West's Batman into this category. It was designed solely to be an absurd comedy. It was never meant to be taken seriously. for a 1960s film and TV show, it's actually quite well done when you compare it to the production quality of other shows like Star Trek and whatnot.

Batman and Robin is the absolute worst. Like other people have said, there's no excuse for it to suck that badly. Somebody somewhere should have recognized what they were doing was awful and tried to change it.

Thankfully, I can't think of any aside from Catwoman in the 2000s that have sucked on such an awful level. A lot have failed but I don't think any are truly legendarily bad.

Superman III and IV are bad, as are a lot of these low-budget, forgotten ones like Generation X and the Captain America films.

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