Really really dissapointing


I went into this expecting quite a lot, and it was just terrible, a really vile film, the black humour i had heard about was crass and unsophisticated, the message is practically non existant, the only point i can find in it is about the impossibility of reporters completely detaching themselves from their subject, its not a very interesting or worthwhile point to make and as a result to film is just boring for the most part, and repellant in others. If you're undecided on seeing this, my advice would be dont bother

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Well, taste is subjective.
One shouldn't expect a sophisticated piece about a moral dilemma though, for me it lives from its absurdness.
Oh, and i liked the cheesy black humour also ;)

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Thats quite condescending of you, in what way did i misunderstand the film?

I think theres a hole in this bag, i aint dead yet

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I understood it fine, it was just mostly boring, and violent for the sake of it. What the filmmakers want you to think is point of this movie is that violence isnt glamorous, like its usually portrayed it films. The thing is, thats a really obvious point, you dont need to sit through 90 minutes of rape and murder for that. The actual point of this film is simply violence for the sake of violence, transparently attempting to get the film famous due to its graphic content. Dont act all smug and superior trying to rationalize liking a film that isnt very good.

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In my experience, those who enjoy this kind of "humor" for its message alone, those able to look past the emotional response that a visual experience of horrifying violence can cause, and are able to see the movie as a whole for what it ultimately is saying, are a certain kind of person.

In my personal opinion, the people I'm describing are usually one of two types. Either they are very clever and very innocent - being that violence of that kind has never touched them very closely. Or they are very cerebral and somewhat emotionally detached and insensitive in general, with somewhat Sociopathic characteristics. That's just my tableside psychology.

And I would never suggest that movies like this create personalities, but I think they may encourage people to build a thicker skin, especially if they were told this was a popular comedy.

I think that if something like this disgusts you, as it does me, then you should go with that and not try to "get it." It's just not who you are.

I feel the same way about A Clockwork Orange. And this gets me a lot of criticism. I understand the point of the movie and story and though I've never read the book, I think it's a wonderful idea to explore - the nature of free will and the manipulation of mankind - an idea that goes so far back in the history of philosophy. But the movie was graphic and stylish and did more to glamorize and entertain the violence than to try to understand the larger message.

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It's ridiculous that you think you can define glamorization of violence so neatly.

I agree with MinnieBegosh's assessment of A Clockwork Orange. I can't comment on Man Bites Dog as I haven't seen it, nor do I want to.

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"I can't comment on Man Bites Dog as I haven't seen it, nor do I want to. "

Then how this is happen that you're on that board? :)

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Very reasoned and eloquent assessment of the various types of people who respond in different ways to violent films.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might find you get what you need.

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MinnieBegosh makes interesting and challenging points. I am cerebral and able to emotionally detach, mostly, but not sociopathic, and I get the fine distinctions of the latter pathology. All people have their places they cannot go whether on film, in literature, art, theatre, or any other medium. But most people have developed a way of approaching dreadful things, i.e. places difficult to go, with a type of humour called 'gallows humour'. It doesn't stop the terrible deeds, it doesn't heal the pain of those deeds, but it's a way of dealing with something awful with the only dignity available. I think films like this are funny to those in whose families exists a long line of trauma, of which my family are one.

The film shows the extent of a thief, his vile rationalisations, which provoke laughter, and the mundane nature of evil that invites a crew of seemingly ordinary men to engage with the thief in his crimes because they begin to like and/or identify with him. Ultimately the film has a very scary message that is hidden beneath the rich and frequent humour. It's the reason Nero can fiddle whil Rome burns and people laugh in the face of tragedy and death. Is it immoral? In some hands undoubtedly. For others it's a life saver.

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This is the french equivalent to STALKER.
Makes you question human nature in the same way.

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I'm with you on NBK. Terrible film, pointless, and far removed from the ideas written in the original script by Terentino.

Man Bites Dog was not about the glamorization of violence - one of it's many ideas was the mundanity (not a word?) of violence. The violence was not shown with any context, it just happens. The story is the character, not the killings. The only scene where the death is drawn out is the rape scene near the end, where the crew joins in.

One of the other points is how the crew starts to become accomplices. They step over the line a little too freely, and then find themselves in more and more compromising positions, until they just aren't shocked anymore. They become very desensitized, and so does the audience, until, again, the rape scene, where you find yourself just wanting it to be over, and you see that same look on Remy's face.



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I'm with you on NBK. Terrible film, pointless,


It isn't terrible and pointless just because it appeared so to you. I found it to be pretty amazing but of course it is appalling.

and far removed from the ideas written in the original script by Terentino.


Tarantino and also, that's most likely a good thing. Thanks for pointing it out though, I'll gladly read the script if I can find it.

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That was my point exactly. Pot calling the kettle black. Neither of them are right in my opinion anyway. The news probably causes far more ideas than video games or movies ever do.

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You might be right about that. I was so disappointed by this movie. I watched it twice and was bored to tears both times. That started me thinking about the last time I was really shocked by something on film and the thing I came up with was a documentary which I can't remember the name of! So Sorry! Maybe someone on this board will have seen it and can remember the name. It upset me to the point that I really don't want to see it again.

The narrator/interviewer was preternaturally calm. I think that is how he got the confessions to come so easily to the fore. The killer-for-hire main character was so cool, as if nothing he ever did was of any importance. But as he continued to respond to the narrator's questions, he appeared to become more nervous and finally could not stop a choking voice and a tear-filled eye as he admitted to killing someone he believed did not deserve it. Only after many years in prison was he able to see the hideousness of what he had done -- for many years, for money. I think they called him the Iceman. That may be the title of the show.

My thinking now is that if you have seen the real thing - even on tape - there is nothing a movie-maker can do that can shock you in the same way. Perhaps there are certain topics that the filmmakers should leave to the documentarians.

Just a thought. I used to think that Clockwork Orange was the most ghastly thing imitating reality that anyone could put on film. But since I've seen the work of the documentary film makers, I have to think the whole subject all over again.

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You ever seen SWEET MOVIE ? If so did you consider it disturbing. If not, you may consider it disturbing. The final scene of the movie is a type of activity that I abhor so that may have tilted it a bit, but there's another scene involving a candy ship that still makes me feel uncomfortable thinking about it.

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This whole argument about violence in films giving "impressionable" people the wrong ideas was the same reasoning behind censorship when film first came about. The film's message, quite obviously, isn't "kill people". I'd understand if it was an argument against certain kinds of rap music that glorify violence purely for the sake of glorifying violence, but should we take out drinking scenes in films so the youth don't drink? or drugs? Then films that are supposed to show the effects of drinking and drugs in an artistic manner couldn't be made either... The truth is, NO ONE who wasn't going to kill somebody before watching this film, is going to kill someone after it. I mean do people really believe that?

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Beniot, the character and the actor, are so completely charismatic that the whole document becomes a surreal poetic meditation on horrible, horrible, horrible things. He's so well spoken, funny, and completely WRONG about nearly everything, and the editing and cinematography are so brutal and stark that you have this vague feeling that it could've happened.

Also, immensely quotable film.

Actually, this is easily in my top ten films, I saw this in high school, bought it on Criterion, and watch it at least once or twice a year.

One of the scariest thought provoking films you'll ever see.

So, basically, ignore all that stupid stuff the people above have been saying.

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I have to say I was disappointed by this film as well. I have no problems with the violence or any of that, that's kind of the reason I saw it in the first place.

I just felt like I had seen it all before. I know that's a stupid comment seeing as it was made 17 years ago, I just didn't really enjoy it. I liked certain aspects of it, but it just wasn't as... authentic? as I had expected. Plus it wasn't half as shocking as I....hoped?

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-We've lost yet again-

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I have to admit that this pretty much sums up my feelings towards the film.
I love foreign cinema and film noir, but this didn't live up to my expectations.

I have no problem with the portrayal of realistic violence, as discussed previously. Indeed, I appreciate that, as with all art, films can be great because they produce negative emotions (for example, Irreversible, Thirteen and Clockwork Orange). However, for me, this film lacked depth and the dialogue/black humour was quite weak. There were a few scenes which showed a glimmer of promise, but overall I did not feel involved or interested in the story.

It may have had a different impact if I had watched it 18 years ago, but I was expecting a timeless classic (despite the age and limited budget).

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I went into this expecting quite a lot, and it was just terrible, a really vile film, the black humour i had heard about was crass and unsophisticated, the message is practically non existant, the only point i can find in it is about the impossibility of reporters completely detaching themselves from their subject, its not a very interesting or worthwhile point to make and as a result to film is just boring for the most part, and repellant in others. If you're undecided on seeing this, my advice would be dont bother


message? sophistication? what the hell are you looking for in a movie?

were you watching this because you really liked amelie and were hoping for some more excruciating cuteness?


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I thought this movie was juvenile. I like the idea behind it but I don't think it was handled very well. It just seemed too self indulgent.

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I agree this was my brief review note written when I saw it on its release-
Excruciatingly boring crap- shot in grainy shaky black & white- a pretend documentary about a film crew who follow a serial killer as he goes about his murders- a prize winner at festivals- oh it’s a "comedy"- CRAP.
It is one of those films that I really want to rate as 0 on IMDB but unfortunately this option is not available.

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1) ahead of it's time for 1992 (i can understand how it can be underwhelming these days)

2) 'homicidal maniac' not 'serial killer'

3) the lead character is the primary target of the film's mockery (see: Alan Partridge, the guy from Eastbound & Down, Tobias Funke, etc.)

4) raised expectations from hype can always bring a good thing down

5) I got nothin', and i was talking out of my ass anyway



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He is literally a serial killer. Presumably you just don't know what the term means, but then why opt to educate others on the matter?

Oh whisky, leave me alone.

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