Although I thought this was one of the few post-Beverly Hills Cop I-Eddie Murphy movies worth watching, the premise of it was total bulsh@t. Although women, particularly hot females like Robin Givens, may try to manipulate men for money, jobs, or other things, they don't manipulate men for sex. No heterosexual man would feel violated or "played" if an attractive female used him as a sex object. It just doesn't work like this with men.
shareThe point is he decided she was the one he *wanted* for a serious relationship and she didn't care.
Men like Marcus are used to getting their way, so if they decide to turn a frivolous romp into a serious relationship, they expect it to happen on their terms. They also enjoy knowing that a woman they are using for sex really "wants" them for something more, even if they know they'd never see her that way -- his ego likes to believe that all his options are still open, regardless of any future intent.
Usually if a man wants to use a woman for sex, he introduces that element (and makes sure its really good) early on so he won't waste time and money appearing to "court" her; he just wants to slip into "booty call" pattern ASAP. besides which even most men won't admit, but if they spend too much time working at getting her in to bed, they might actually end up developing real feelings for her too, and "alpha"-type men don't like to admit that a woman they pegged as an in-bed-only partner somehow crept into their psyche and became more of an emotionally and intellectually bonded connection, which is exactly why some women play hard to get, though they fail to realize that if his ego falls in love with the chase, once he gets her the chase is over and he's not in love anymore.
However, Givens' character Jackie played Martin by first leaving him wondering if she even wanted him that way, flirting, borderline teasing and tempting, finally giving him some, then putting him off again. Men do the same to women to get them hooked, constantly dangling a carrot and stick, subtly fostering confusion, keeping her wondering on the edge if there is something really worthwhile there or not, giving her just what she wants just when she's about to give up and then recycling their (selfish) B-S all over again. That's exactly what Givens Jackie did to Martin -- strung him along and played him just enough to "F" with his emotions and feel like if he hung in there he might still have a chance.
Given's character wasn't trying to use Marcus for sex -- making him wait 3 weeks after they finally had their first big night together isn't consistent with "F"-buddy role. She was just messin' with his head because she could -- she knew he wanted her badly and she enjoyed the control and attention. self-centered, selfish, egotistical men can't stand a woman doing that to them because they are convinced that they should be the ones in control and all their tactics that worked on other women to get her right where they want her are supposed to work like a charm as they always have. especially for a woman who they've decided is -- above all others who they can get -- one they decide worthy of genuine sincere treatment -- she's supposed to fit right in to the scheme.
Besides, no amount of liberation or equality has ever changed that women do not handle emotionally-disconnected sex as well as men do, courtesy of the bonding hormone.
PS - I agree on BS that Marcus would have gone back to Angela. If Jackie had wanted him back he probably would have rejected her to prove he could. But a nice girl like Angela wouldn't have been enough of a challenge for him -- for men like that its always about their ego and an easy catch doesn't make them feel like they've pursued and conquered
Same unrealistic pandering to the female base in Jerry Maguire. Miss soft-spoken, perfectly-feminine-balanced Dorothy would have more likely been trampled on like a doormat used and discarded by someone like Jerry, even if he had grown a conscious. he might not have wanted the tough-as-nails fiancee back but a woman who wears her genuine and simple sincerity on her sleeve does not usually appeal to slickster types
Damn mswoc. You should write a book or something. Well said!
sharemswoc- well put- all of that made great sense.
shareI disagree, and frankly, I think what "mswoc" is saying is a crock of bullish!t.
I totally understand that Marcus thought that Jackie was "special" or "the one," but regardless of how special a man thinks a woman is, there's no way that he would feel as if he's been "played" or used after he has sex with her.
One of the most unrealistic and ridiculous scenes in the movie is when after Jackie stands Marcus up at the theater, Jackie pays him a visit at his apartment (a "dick call" I imagine), and the two subsequently "get busy." Upon waking up after the two have sex, Marcus sees Jackie putting her clothes on, she thanks him for "relaxing" her, and she proceeds out of the apartment. Marcus curls shamefully up and softly says, "call me," as if he had just been used, violated, or made into a fool.
It just doesn't work like this with men, folks. No man is going to feel as if he's been used after he has had sex with a woman. In the case of unrequited love (by men), women will use them for money or other things but not sex. Women tease men in such situations with the POTENTIAL of having sex and not with sex itself. I'm sorry but I thought that it was very unrealistic.
I think it the fact she had left $200 on the nightstand like he was a prostitute on top of everything else that made him feel used
shareIf I got with a beautiful female like Robin Givens and on top of that she gave me $200, well, if that's manipulation, then please use the hell out of me!
I'm not sexist, but a woman in such a situation is a prostitute, but a man in this situation is a gigalo.
This post is old as crack but you seem to be reading the responses. So I'll chime in. I've always been told that I date like a dude, in the sense that I have used a couple of dudes for sex. Not intentionally, it just went down like that. My first "boyfriend" was that case. He actually asked me why I never cuddled after... Well cause I was done, his task was complete. Do you know that over a decade later he reached out to me and said that I was the one that got away. It was a surprise to me since he'd been married (but divorced by this time). Very attractive successful author that has a mostly female fan base. Another guy I dated mainly for his package stalks me till this day, he's a pretty successful music producer (locally, not nationwide, but still paid), again big female fan base. The point is, any human can be used, not just females. I guess I have that golden garden, idk. Lol. Actually I think it's more of people not getting what they want when they're used to it being thrown at them.
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