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How would the characters of Batman Returns have voted in the election?


I'd ideally like answers for all the main characters, including Bruce, Oswald, Selina, Max, Alfred (assuming he was now registered as a US citizen), Commish Gordon, the new Mayor, the Ice Princess, Chip, Josh, Jen, and the Red Triangle Circus Gang (assuming they were registered to vote in the US).

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I think Selina Kyle would've voted for anyone Max Schreck was against, because whoever he backed had to have been bad news from her point of view. He probably would've voted for Donald Trump, leaving Selina Kyle no choice but to vote for Hillary Clinton.

The Penguin probably would've went along with Max Schreck's vote, and therefore Catwoman would be sour on both of them.

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Good answer. What about the other characters?

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I'm not really sure about Batman. I suppose he would sympathize a little more with Catwoman than Max Shreck, though I don't think he'd vote for either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. I think he would've prevented both of them from coming as far as they did, if anything.

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I see Bruce as a typical centrist Democrat who nevertheless has problems with the system. I see Selina as a centrist Democrat too, prior to her 'murder' at which point she would have moved to the far-left, probably becoming a Green supporter, or a Bernie, or most likely Liz Warren, Democrat. Max would be a former centre-rightest who didn't get his way and so moved even further to the political right by backing Trump (but a lot would depend on his own personal business interests and which candidate was facilitating them - Hillary might have been good for his retail business, but Trump would be better in terms of getting his power plant off the ground).

I should make it clear that I don't really see Hillary as a true liberal Democrat in the socioeconomic sense.

I see the Penguin as an anarchist who despises the rich, but nevertheless ran on a populist right-wing 'law and order' campaign in order to get into power. How his alliance with a staunch capitalist might have worked out I do not know, seeing as it was anathema to everything his anarcho-communist allies, the Red Triangle Circus Gang, represented. I wonder if he was even aware of Max's power-plant plans.

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Bruce-Trump, prioritizes security and generally doesn't mind some brutality to achieve it.
Selina-reluctantly Clinton from thinking a woman would be at least a little better and really disliking Trump for his sexism and egotism.
Alfred-Clinton because he would consider Trump distasteful.
The Mayor and Gordon-Clinton-would be more likely to give them more resources and not demand accountability.
Josh and Jen-Trump out of blind partisanship.
The Ice Princess-probably wouldn't vote since she would like both for being celebrities.
Oswald-Clinton because he resented Trump's inherited wealth.
Gang-unknown but would probably just back whoever Oswald favored.
Max-would give to both but probably vote for Trump because he would think he would be more friendly to corporations and especially against energy regulations.

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Very good answer. Thank you.

I guess Chip would be a Trump supporter. Chip reminds me of a young Trump, or one of his sons.

I'd like think the Ice Princess would be too, but she's probably be too dumb to even know that there was an election going on. I know a lot of actresses are Democrat, but I don't think she was a proper actress, more a z-list celeb like a Khardashian or Paris Hilton, who only aspired to be taken seriously as an actress, so I like to think she was a Republican who voted whatever party rich people supported.

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I think the IP would be murdered before getting to the voting box. She'd pick Elmo if she made it.

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That's funny. But I doubt she'd be murdered in that situation.

And was Elmo on the ballot?

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In her retarded mind, She sees what she wants to see.

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Shrek-Trump

Penguin-Sanders (wanted to change Gotham, threw tantrum when he did not get his way, promised liberation of City in retaliation when he did not get his way. Ugly older man who had not done things for years and appeared out of no where--attracting young supporters who saw him as a cool role model.

Selina--Hillary. She is mad how society treats her as woman and is 'playing' woman card.

Bruce. Hillary. He wants justice in the City, but likes Capitalism. Thinks that Shrek and Penguin are crazy.

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Bruce would not support Trump. He had a problem with corrupt elections and mystery candidates. Wanted women included as part of system. He would support Clinton.

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I agree. I think Bruce would be a Clinton supporter, albeit one with a very tough position on law and order (much like Hillary's hubby in fact).

Who do you think the Ice Princess would support? She strikes me as the very anathema of feminism, and it's a shame that a scene in which she appeared alongside the Penguin on stage during his mayoral campaign, was omitted prior to the final shooting script.

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No one. She's dead!

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I mean if she had lived.

Also, maybe she survived. Selina survived an equally long drop.

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No. It was FULLY implied she was dead from the fall. She didn't have awnings to break her fall like Selina, and she fell through an electrical box.

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Her I could see either Trump (because he promises to economically support her) or Sanders (who promises her new opportunities).

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But isn't she already a rich celebrity? Wouldn't she back a candidate who'd lower taxes for the elites?

She doesn't strike me as a Sanders supporter at all. I think she'd be scared of socialism, like a lot of stupid people often are.


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She's only an 'ice princess' and Gotham is not icy year round. She would not make a lot of money being an ice princess. She would need someway to pay her bills, anyway.


She is not particularly bright--which would appeal to both the Sanders and Trump campaigns.

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I agree with the last point (although I disagree about Sanders - most Sanders supporters are very bright, since they care about a system that represents everyone, rich and poor).

But maybe the Ice Princess gig was a hobby or a stepping stone to becoming an actress. Maybe she was a model during the rest of the year, or had a rich daddy paying for her lifestyle. She's a very tanned white woman, in the middle of winter, which suggests to me someone who can afford a life of leisure and to go on many holidays abroad.

Also, why wouldn't the Ice Princess job warn a lot of money? It looked very glamorous and she even had her own bodyguards. Poor schmoes don't have bodyguards.

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looking glamourous isn't the same as being independently wealthy. Those were not necessarily her personal body guards.

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Glamour usually requires some wealth/money (e.g. clothes, jewellery, makeup, tan, fur, etc), unlike natural beauty.

And whose bodyguards were they? They didn't go to the mayor or Max Shreck's rescue when the Red Triangle Circus Gang attacked the tree lighting ceremony, and they were under far more threat than the Ice Princess. In fact, the mayor didn't have any bodyguards, not even when he was joined by his wife and baby son the following day (hence why it was so easy for the clown to snatch the latter), and Max only had his son to defend him (oddly enough, his wealthy son had no one).

Personally, I think the Ice Princess is meant to represent everything Selina is not, hence her part in the film, and Catwoman's initial lack of conscience about kidnapping and 'scaring' her. If she'd empathised more with the Ice Princess, she might have felt less easy about the plan.

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And you think too much about the IP. She's not important. No one cares about her to the extent you do. She's eye candy and nothing more. You're assuming a lot just because she has a sparkling bathing suit. You know what that makes you.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Robert Vaughn. RIP Carrie Fisher. RIP William Christopher. 2016 is the worst!

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Perhaps, but aren't you obsessed with a character in Halloween II just because she goes nude?

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Hardly obsessed. I don't talk about her constantly or have books, or posters or whatever you do. And who doesn't like a nice pair of tits anyway?

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Don't you think the IP has a great body cjh8504? And there's no special book. There's simply an interview with the actress in the Making Of Book. Is the nurse in Halloween II considered important enough to have a page dedicated to her character in the film's Making Of Book?


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Is the nurse in Halloween II considered important enough to have a page dedicated to her character in the film's Making Of Book?


Like I said before, Nurse Karen's scenes could have been cut from the film entirely and the only difference made would be that the film is a few minutes shorter. The plot wouldn't change, and nothing that happened before or after would change at all. She was simply there to add some T&A and pad the body count.

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Bruce - Hillary
Selina - Bernie
Shreck - Trump

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That totally makes sense.

And it pretty much represents a brilliant summation of each character's status and philosophy.

Bruce is the establishment and the face of 'responsible capitalism', Shreck embodies the worst and most rampant excesses of capitalism that seeks to hoodwink the masses by appearing to be on its side, and Selina, particularly post-'death', represents the counterculture, anti-establishment left that sees all forms of capitalism, including even Bruce's relatively responsible version, as antithetical to the needs of the most marginalised members of society, and too complacent with respect to Max's nastier form of capitalism.

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To answer your above question, I don't know if there was a making of book of Halloween II, but I bet she would have her own character page. And the IP is okay. I've seen better.

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Only 'okay'? That's madness.

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She's not even the hottest girl in THIS movie. You kidding me?

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And Nurse Karen isn't even the hottest girl in Halloween II.

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Michelle Pfeiffer is one of the most beautiful women ever! But I think Cristi is even sexier here. Her body is more curvy and appealing IMHO.

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You'd be wrong. Pfeiffer is way hotter.

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I'd take Christy Conaway. Have you seen what she looks like now?

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/f/f4/Conaway.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150806102857

Don't get me wrong, Pfeiffer is no slouch, but I've always preferred her sister over her.

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Here are the two of them together in Batman Returns.

I love how cute Cristi looks here:
http://caps.pictures/199/2-batman-returns/full/batman-returns-disneyscreencaps.com-8899.jpg

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What! She's making a scared face and has a cut on her forehead. Oh yeah. Real sexy.

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I could do without the gash on her forehead (), and I generally hate seeing any woman in peril, especially one as lovely as the Ice Princess. But she is so cute and adorable here, with her big wide blue eyes, her round and pink pretty face, and her comical expression. Cristi is playing it more for comedy than horror, and it's only a shame they had to turn kill her character off. 

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You're a freakin weirdo.

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How come?

I thought we were now friends.

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I've told you numerous times, we're okay. I don't hate you, or even dislike you at all. Burn I can still think you're a freakin weirdo. Taking a picture of a girl in distress, and going on about how hot she looks in distress. Cherub pink face and big blue eyes and Whatever else you said. You're a weirdo.

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While we're on the subject of weirdos. You go through entire series of shows and catalog how many times characters names are said. If that's not weirdo behavior I don't know what is.

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Pages, I have.

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I was simply getting a pic where she's besides Catwoman, in order to compare and contrast.

She does still look hot in distress, but clearly I much prefer how she looks when she's happy and safe.

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She wouldn't be safe near you, you perve. Lol.

RIP Gene Wilder. RIP Barbara Hale. You were great in Perry Mason. RIP William Christopher.

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I'd treat her like a princess, appropriately enough.

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She wouldn't touch you to scratch you. Lol.

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Sister? Pic of her?

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Google her. Her name is Dedee.

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All of them would've voted for Vermin Supreme. Hes the only choice.

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Since all the characters in Returns are morons they'd all vote for Trump.

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I guess that would make you a Trump supporter too then.

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You've been spending too much time on the Politics forum with your fellow Trump buddies.

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Fck off troll.

My buddies on the Politics Board are all liberals and progressives.

By the way, cjh8504 is no fan of Trump either.

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The lady protests too much. You are so a Trump supporter. Its why you like DeVito's Penguin. Reminds you of your idol Trump.

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"Protests too much" reasoning is stupid and actually not based in how people really react to things. And from what I've encountered Trump supporters generally are proud of the fact and don't deny it.

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Good to see you found the board Harvey.

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Bruce/Batman- Probably Clinton
Catwoman- Probably wouldn't even bother to vote and would view it as a waste of time, maybe she votes for Clinton out of hatred for Trump though.
Penguin- Hard to even picture him voting
Max- Trump. I mean, aren't they basically the same person?
Alfred- Probably Clinton
Gordon- Burton Gordon seems like he'd be a Republican so he probably voted Trump out of brand loyalty. Nolan Gordon probably votes Clinton, though.

Not going to bother with all the other characters. Most of them aren't developed enough to decipher their political views.

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