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Bloody Americans


Why, dear god, why?

Why must you take something, so precious and valuable and pure and corrupt it with bad acting, poor re-writing and abismal casting.

Point in question. Red Dwarf. The US Rimmer...Wooden...The US Lister...Too Pretty.
The only good thing was the original Kryters and Jan Leves wasn't too bad as Holly.
Other Bad remakes include Step-toe and son, Coupling and I'm not too sure about the office. I hope Gervais keeps tight reigns on it.

The US networks should try using only one or two writers for a sit-com instead of 20. that way only one style of humour comes through which means storylines gel better.

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I have just finished watching this,and I didn't think it was too bad!Ok,so i've heard the jokes before,they pasted in loads of shots from the BBC series,ok so the cat wasn't a patch on Danny John Jules,but aside from that it wasn't that bad!It's sure better than anything that came out of season 7 of the BBC series!
Hey,does anyone know if the second pilot is available anywhere?

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Where did you get the first one? Id like to see it!

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i'd like to see it too, can sombody point me in the direction of a copy of this please?

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I went to google and put 'red dwarf usa' in inverted commas and outside that download. It gave me a site to go to which had a further link. I think the site is call white hole.com. Anyway the theme music and both pilots were there to download although I suggest you have broadband as they are big files. The second one isin't really a pilot, it's just Lister describing the show with a few animation, clips and recreated scenes. There are some jokes such as Rimmer 'helping' lister with the camera and two scene featuring the female cat.

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Bloody Americans......

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That's way it never made it past the trailer. Be thankful ;)

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*beep* americans. so selfish, always have to have it their own way. they can't accept other peoples excellent work, so they decide to copy it, and turn it into complete drivel. shame shame shame, to borrow a line from an australian personality. i don't know why they can't accept how good the original series is and just leave it. i agree with the original post - bloddy americans

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We did leave it at that. It's why the original version is the only one on TV over here.

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I dont like it when a show is remade but there are valid reasons. The main one is because ceratin things dont travel well - jokes, references, humour - they need to be localised to sell well. Anyway - its only tv not art.

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oh you bloody uk'ers *rolls eyes* it didn't make it past pilot so chill the hell out..

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*beep* americans. so selfish, always have to have it their own way. they can't accept other peoples excellent work, so they decide to copy it, and turn it into complete drivel. shame shame shame, to borrow a line from an australian personality. i don't know why they can't accept how good the original series is and just leave it. i agree with the original post - bloddy americans


***looks like someone's still mad about the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812... MUAHAHAHAHA

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oh, brother...I hate when the american people as a whole get blamed for NBC...Listen, I'd like to own a major company, bu, alas, I do not, so don't blame me

I worry about this younger generation...
I LOVE MY CAT! HE'S 19

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I've noticed a fair few Americans that seem to claim we care about Revolutionary War or something when most Brits just learn it a little in history in school then forget it, its not something anyone particularly cares about or lingers on, we certainly arent bitter or angry about it, lol.

God Americans make me laugh.

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The revolutionary war...what was that exactly....The British Army fighting against British Citizens in a British Colony.....That means it was a Civil war....We kicked our own arse!!!
Rule Britannia!

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I just watched the american pilot and, so help me, i actually laughed out loud on several occasions...however that is not why i am responding to your post...

Steptoe and Son remade as a bad american show?!?! HAVE YOU SEEN SANFORD AND SON AT ALL?!?! Sanford and Son is a classic of American television. one of the greatest televion shows produced at all, anywhere. the big difference between the two being that Steptoe is nowhere near as likeable as Fred Sanford is, and i think that has a lot to do with the way that Redd Foxx played him. Sanford took the original idea of Steptoe and expanded it, added characters, gave the show heart, and mass appeal

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Completely miss the point why dontcha!

Steptoe was supposed to be a b**tard- You laugh at him more than with him.
He was a racist mysogenist b**tard.

To make him likeable is to change the whole program!

To make a program for the american audience they rather cynically add 'heart' as you put it, and try to make the characters more appealing.

Sadly for us UK viewers, we have seen the original and when we see the b**tardised remake it just grates. That you enjoyed it means the producers got something right, but it will never be close to the original for us.

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Bloody Brits, with your good shows... >:(

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actually the vast marjority of british shows are a steaming pile of turd. we just very occassionaly churn out a rare good peice of comedy, such as red dwarf or the office. and even rarer a decent drama, such as This Life or Teachers. But most british shows are total junk!

you yanks turn out far more and better drama series thats exported successfully worlwide. eg. 24, the west wing, house, the shield, the wire, NYPD blue, deadwood.......

oh yeah we're terrible at making police shows(the bill anyone?). ours are bland and boring where as alot of yours are top notch.

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Yeah.... but I am not entertained by drama as I have too much of it in my life already. I prefer comedy, and Brits are good at it. :)

...and the cop show thing is probably because American cop shows are completely rediculous and unrealistic. About 95% of police officers in the U.S. are corrupt. That is hardly EVER depicted on T.V., but is common knowledge.

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That's a good point, ransax.

Actually, very little is said about police corruption on British TV, either. Although everyone in Britain knows it goes on, and that false confessions are extorted, etc, especially since the rash of vindications of people convicted of notorious murders and IRA bombings, who were proved not to have done it. (In America, of course, many would have been executed before their innocence was proven.)

The Bill has in recent years - say for about the past five years - GOT a bit more realistic, I find... or at least it was a couple of years ago, I've stopped following the show, I'm not so interested in TV since I really got into the Internet - because they showed things like policemen being tempted to get into corruption, and that Sergeant whateverhisnamewas, getting into hot water over it, and of course more affairs... THAT component seems to have gone up a bit, in British cop shows. I expect they were belatedly scrambling to keep up, with shows like NYPD Blue.

Yes, I'd say that American cop shows WERE unrealistic, nowadays, particularly, perhaps... they seem to have gone unrealistic, over there, in a "right-wing", rather than an "idealistic" kind of way, now, if you see what I mean, ransax.

The "model" in Britain has hitherto been for the "cosy cop show". I think this goes back right to the first one on British TV, Dixon of Dock Green, forty years ago and more. Even since the TV powers that be started commissioning more "realistic" cop shows (ie, ones actually based on police procedure) in the 1980s, such as Juliet Bravo and The Bill, the "basic attitude" has been that the cops are fair and decent, do a difficult job, etc, etc. I used to quite like Juliet Bravo: it had a woman police inspector in it or whatever (she was uniformed), and the shows were quite "grim", in that shabby way that some of our "gritty soaps" are, ie "Eastenders". The grinding shabbiness of tower-block land could take it out of you after a while. But I liked the character, in my teens. But although this show displayed social problems (one episode that REALLY stuck in my mind was when a guy was PROVED to have committed suicide because he'd recently lost his job, and "Juliet" (not the officer's name!) berated his employer SOUNDLY for it - now that was an anti-Thatcherite message!) it never showed the police being anything less than honest, if not perfect.

Anyway, THAT is the basic "idea" of British cop shows. Tea and biscuits; decency and fairness. Emotionally reserved but well-intentioned.

It's not a bad "idea". Pity it doesn't mesh up a bit more truly with real life!

I have recently read a lot of autobiographies by articulate working-class criminals, some of whom went on to be successful armed robbers. Eg, "A Few Kind Words and a Loaded Gun", by Noel "Razor" Smith.

Without exception they have stated that they were beaten and ill-treated by police officers during their youth, simply because they grew up poor on poor estates. The above author was in fact the subject of a frame-up attempt when he was aged about 11. Because he was intelligent enough to prove that the police were telling lies, the police persecuted him for ever after that, and virtually pushed him into a life of crime.





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Blame the American TV channels for treating their viewers like idiots. Most Americans are fully capable of watching a comedy from another country, and appreciating it for what it is..'a foreign comedy' rather than demanding that it is immediately remade in America with American actors / actresses.

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a fair amount of british shows are turd I agree. But "the bill" isnt a police show as such, its a soap. Have you seen any amercian soaps, all the actors are drama queens and the soaps hardly win any awards over there. (poor actors)
Also Big brother was british and they sold the idea to everyone around the world...Even though it is 100% the *beep* thing ever...all reality TV is.

Best show outa america, is definatly family guy, you can laugh for hours. How ever they did steal material from 2dTV on a few episodes, but is was to piss in Bushs face then crap in his mouth...that makes everything okay to me because i hate capitalist governments.
*Thumbs up*
I also agree its not so much the americans, because they watch our tv shows, and some of them even like them...its just hollywood like to take things over then make people believe they originally created shows and try to claim all the fame through the americans. with is being a huge country and all.


i only wanted to say a couple of words..lol

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Um, I agree, the US Red Dwarf was nothing compared to the original. And I'm American. So don't blame me.

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Hollywood decided to do a remake of the show, not Americans. Hollywood is not the same as the U.S.; it's its on little world-and all it cares about is money. Please do not confuse Hollywood and the U.S.A.

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I just watched it, wasn't half bad actually. The Original was fantastic but never did like Craig Charles much, people in this country are to quick to claim something as perfect and a classic. Whats wrong with making another version, confusing that they missed a few of the best jokes, Rimmer in the exam ect, lister getting his photo developed with the cat etc.

Still worth watching.

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I would have to agree with you on this. I'm actually not sure why they insist on trying to take absolutely good British comedy and make it American. At best the humor doesn't translate and it ends up as complete and total rubbish. I just hope they leave the other shows alone!!! Imagine an American version of Black Adder or The Young Ones!!

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I'm a Persian-American actress raised in TX and I grew up watching British and Irish comedies.

I was confused when I saw an Americna actor listed as "Rimmer". Huh? Then I read the rest of the cast list.

**I wasn't even aware Americans had this show re-made. I loathe when people make remakes (most of them - ahem Dukes of Hazzard - RUINED - thanks a lot Hollywood - making it trashy, same with Yours, Mine and Ours - politically correct multicultural crap that's not even remotely close to the original which is BASED ON A TRUE STORY). Ugh.

Well, you'll be glad to know, the class Americans who know good Brit comedy never heard of it. I don't even think it aired.

I love the original "Red Dwarf". Oh, when I was studying acting at Central School of Speech and Drama 2 summers ago, a Brit friend of mine got a part in the British version of Sex in the City (never watched the US version either - too slutty) - so "Bloody Americans" arent' the only ones making remakes.

Americans did a successful remake of the UK show "Man of the House" or something . . . "Three's Company Anyone"?.

I'm also glad the American version of "Coupling" didn't make it. I can't even stand the BBC version. A bunch of friends who've slept with each other and switching significant others? Um, no thanks. BBC America does show some good shows though. I love Black Adder (PBS) and the other Brit classics "Thin Blue Line", "Chef", "Mr. Bean", "Father Ted" . . . and my Brit friend bought me the Season One DVD of "The Office" and also the scripts to both seasons. Now I have to buy the 2nd season and Christmas episode.

You will be glad to know I've NEVER seen the stupid American version. For shame. Stupid Networks. I know Mr. Gervais allowed them to make an American version, but um it's not funny. I'm sorry, but Brits master the dry sense of humor".

Please don't say "Bloody Americans", but "Bloody American TV Moguls". There are Americans who appreciate good British programming. I'm actually horrified they attempted an American version.

--Beeta

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I think that everyone can agree that it is extremely hard to make a good second version of any T.V. show from the world. Red Dwarf didnt work as an American show just like The Simpsons or other American show wouldnt work as an Australian show or an English show or Irish show (well you can see where i am going with this)

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It's not the first thing they've remade and made a mess of. I wish they'd stick to remaking their own movies and TV shows, they're quite good at that. It's when they remake other people's movies.



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