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The Soviets Were So Evil, BTW, this is on Netflix now


What kind of sick minds can do that to so many people, including their own? There is something flawed about Russians in general

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Russians. Right. Keep on learning history from fictional propaganda movies.
Bolshevik leaders and initiators of Red Terror, or mass genocide of Slavs - Jews under pseudonyms of Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Sokolnikov.
Another Bolshevik leader and founder of Cheka - Felix Dzerzhinsky, an ethnic Pole from Poland.
Joseph Stalin (Dzhugashvili) - an ethnic Georgian from Georgia.
The head of NKVD, founder of GULAG and Stalin's right hand - Genrikh Yagoda, an ethnic Jew. As well as all three heads of Gulag from 1930 to 1939: Kogan, Berman and Pliner.
Another Stalin's closest man, the head of NKVD - Lavrentiy Beria, ethnic Georgian from Georgia.

All started as criminals or terrorists during Imperial times. But even all those scoundrels never thought of racial theory and Third Reich. They never tested atomic bombs on hundreds of thousands of civilians, nor they bombed thousands of civilians in Dresden when the war was nearly won. They didn't start the Cold War with a neighbor who just lost tens of millions defending the world peace, nor they ignited the endless war on Middle East. They didn't create Taliban in order to kill neighbor's economy. They didn't bomb civilians in Yogoslavia, Iraq, Syria, etc. nor planned a series of colour revolutions and civil wars all around the globe. Sick minds, really.

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You sound like a typical Russian Red nutjob and bigot, First off, Lenin wasn't Jewish, and while Trotsky was Jewish, he was a Russian too.
Rant about Dresden all you want, but what about all the mass raoes & murders committed, with encouragment from the Kremlin, in not only East Germany but Poland and any other country that had the misfortune to be "liberated" by Red Army. What about how your side gobbled up Poland, after massacring all her officers and middle class with bullets in the head? Yo are the ones who started the Cold War, And spare me the a bombs, that is so passe. We were fighting the Japanese who were willing to use 10 year old children to fight Americans. If we invaded their home island, millions more Japanese would have died. and since when did Russians get sp squeamish
And the US didn't create the Taliban, they created themselves from the Pashtun tribes with help by the Pakis.
Finally, the movie is about your country's GULAGs, not the US

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"Bigot, nutjob", sounds just like a typical American boy raised on Hollywood with the biggest ego on earth. Call Russians whatever you want, accuse them of all atrocities, but NEVER TOUCH AMERICA OR JEWS BIGOT!! You don't know what your own minsters of propaganda (Brzezinski) say regarding your involvement in raising Taliban (and he is actually quite proud of himself), but you learned by heart about "10-year-old Japanese", "Serbian concentration camps", "Iraqi nuclear weapons" and every other nonsense your peacemakers fed you with.

You even believed Goebbels who pointed at Soviets during the war and said "Russians did that". Because abusing Poles and Jews - that's all Russians have been doing all their lives, not the other way. Everything is a lie, all those people with Jewish, Polish and Caucasian names and family trees where actually Russians who got homesick, returned from abroad and started genocide of Russian peasants, nobles, Cossacks, priests and Tsars.

You haven't even heard about Polish-Soviet war or the Munich Agreement of the 1938, yet you know for certain that Russians were just as evil (or even worse) as Nazis. They lost 27 millions and almost half of the Soviet economy _defending_ themselves and the whole Europe, but were turned into monster and a threat to your precious democracy just a year after the whole thing ended. By Churchill and Baruch, who even invented the term "Cold war". Oh no, Americans and Jews again. Bigot!

At least YOU learn history not just from Hollywood fairy tales, but from perestroika films too. There were tons of these trash produced by US/UK/French studios at the time when Soviet cinema was already in ruins and couldn't finance itself. So keep educating, maybe some day you'll stumble across a good film. Or read a book on history.

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LOL, you rant about Jews, because who was your country allied with when WW 2 started? Thgat helped as Russia gobbled back all the old colonies like the Baltic States. Oh, 2 years later you genius ancestors missed the 3.5 million Axis troops massed on their border. Must have been the Jews behind that one.

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I don't "rant about Jews", I rant about historical facts. And you'd better think
-who were Hitler's alleys since 1933 till 1941 (and even later - hey, Ford)
-who invested in Hitler's economy and industry actively and helped him build his "supernation"
-who completely ignored occupation of Austria and invasion of Czechoslovakia by Germany, Poland and Hungary in 1938 (the REAL start of WW2 your historians always forget)
-who ignored several USSR's calls for the anti-Hitler coalition
-who ignored the Japanese attack on Soviet borders in 1938 and Mongolia in 1939
-who also ignored the call to help Jews who were massively leaving Germany since 1936 (Soviets even had to found the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee)
-and even then the much-needed second front was opened only in the middle of 1944. Before that America was busy selling weapons and building atomic bomb "to save Japans". Oh, who am I telling all this to.

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I don't "rant about Jews", I rant about historical facts. And you'd better think

-who were Hitler's alleys since 1933 till 1941 (and even later - hey, Ford)
Ford hated JEws, and US companies invested a lot of money in all sorts of projects around the world, even in Russia, like FORD again

-who invested in Hitler's economy and industry actively and helped him build his "supernation"
Oh, the old Commie lie about how the US built the German economy, as if the Germans were backwards Russian peasants, not one of the most advanced nations beforehand.

-who completely ignored occupation of Austria and invasion of Czechoslovakia by Germany, Poland and Hungary in 1938 (the REAL start of WW2 your historians always forget)
Well, blame the British & French, the US had no treaty obligations unlike those two.

-who ignored several USSR's calls for the anti-Hitler coalition
See above

-who ignored the Japanese attack on Soviet borders in 1938 and Mongolia in 1939
The USSR easily repelled both attacks, never asked for help

-who also ignored the call to help Jews who were massively leaving Germany since 1936 (Soviets even had to found the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee)
Out of the fire into the frying pan for them

-and even then the much-needed second front was opened only in the middle of 1944. Before that America was busy selling weapons and building atomic bomb "to save Japans". Oh, who am I telling all this to.
You act like creating an army, training it and shipping it over the ocean then doing a maritime invasion of Europe was some simple task. All the USSR had to do was just walk or ride trains west, or use all the trucks and jeeps we gave you. We had troops in North Africa by 1942 & Italy by 1943. AND YOU INGRATES ALWAYS CONVENIENTLY FORGET the joint US & UK air war over Germany diverted over 1/3 of the Nazi's war resources. If the Germans were able to use those extra guns, planes and men in the East, they could have repelled the red hordes

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Unlike you xenophobes I'm not trying to put all the blame on one nation, and by "allies" I meant all Hitler's allies - America (first thing Schacht did was a successful journey to Wall Street), Poland (best buddies since 1934), England and France (an active political and financial support even after Hitler refused to pay debts), Italy, etc. Together you built the Third Reich and gained Hitler reputation of "great reformer" inside of Germany which at the time was in deep crisis, not one of the most advanced nations. Yanks had no problem controlling German banks and monopolies, sharing weapon patents, Rockefeller and Standard Oil owned 90% of German oil industry even during the war. American economy was actually the only economy that grew during WW2 - all Commies lies, I know.

And even then Germany wasn't technically advanced enough up until it invaded Czechoslovakia and got in control of Skoda - together with Poland and Hungary. The very same Poland that became "the victim of Russian aggression" in Western history books. Just because Soviets didn't want to sit down quietly and watch Hitler and his allies taking control of their borders. Same as your einsteins accuse Russia of "moving close to NATO borders" today.

And Russia has always remembered the role of US & UK during the WW2. We are not Hollywood, you know. Only the USSR needed allied army, not your trucks and jeeps. Hitler's army was chock full of American trucks and jeeps - for some reason this didn't help him invade Soviet Union. Even my grandparents remember how they were promised the 2nd front and were expecting it for several years. It cost Russians millions of lives. Of course, they didn't have such great war experts who'd have told them "all you have to do is move to the west".

Americans sure helped - it's American revisionism that doesn't help at all.

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