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Anyone else have a problem with the end? (SPOILER)


At the end of the first film Jack doesn't simply kill Whistler, he injects him with the serum that sends him back to the future and kills him, since his body in the future has now been destroyed. But the point is Jack doesn't just shoot him because there's the dilema that he'd be killing an innocent man who just happens to be possessed by his evil decendant. Jack even gave up the chance to ever go home just because of that. Yet in this film Jack doesn't even worry about sending the main bad guy's conciesness home, he just throws a pitchfork and kills both the main bad guy and his innocent ancestor who's just being controlled.

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Yet in this film Jack doesn't even worry about sending the main bad guy's conciesness home, he just throws a pitchfork and kills both the main bad guy and his innocent ancestor who's just being controlled.

I think Wardo, aka Edward Whistler has been in the past too long. He's fully taken over the body, much like Jack did with his ancestor Philip Deth. That's why the council had two compartments on the TCL Chamber, one for Jack, the other for Wardo. But one half was wrecked, so Jack just decided to kill Wardo then sent him back to the future for trial. Jack wanted Alice to go into the other compartment.

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Cool, thanks for responding!

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I think it's also because in the first movie, he's got two vials, one of which ended up broken, whereas in this case, he had no vials, since they were planning to just bring him back in the transport chamber. Plus, even if he did have a vial, he was going mano-a-mano against Whistler, and could get close enough to inject him, whereas Wardo had a whole Trancer army with guns. So it was probably simply a matter of survival and practicality.

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A lot of things don't make sense. Jack Deth is in the body of his ancestor Phil. But Phil hasn't had any kids yet. So if they transport Phil's body to the future then the entire Deth line of descendants will never be born. Same with transporting Alice or Wardo to the future.

Why go back in time to collect Alice and send her further back? Seems too complex. They seriously didn't have any other Trancer hunters besides her and Jack to fight their Trancer War? Especially considering they said the only guy left who could make Trancers was Wardo and he wasn't even in the future any more, he was in the past.

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Jack Deth is in the body of his ancestor Phil. But Phil hasn't had any kids yet. So if they transport Phil's body to the future then the entire Deth line of descendants will never be born.

No, they didn't think that through. But he did have a daughter after this movie.

Same with transporting Alice or Wardo to the future.

Wardo was pretty old, so chances are he already had a kid or kids at some point. Same with Alice. Her ancestor was in a mental asylum, so the she may have died there for all we know. Alice taking the body back to the future probably wouldn't have screwed up her ancestry.

Why go back in time to collect Alice and send her further back? Seems too complex. They seriously didn't have any other Trancer hunters besides her and Jack to fight their Trancer War?

They said to kill Trancers. Maybe she's just really good at it?

Especially considering they said the only guy left who could make Trancers was Wardo and he wasn't even in the future any more, he was in the past.

Like the villain in 3, Wardo was creating trancers in the past which is causing the war in the future.


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I figured the reason he did that was because Wardo was about to kill Hap with the assault rifle and he had to save Hap. The problem with the end that I had was that they send Alice in the pod thing and deny her her original life in order to keep Jack's first wife's mind going.

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Yeah, the first movie was bad enough with Jack deciding to stay in the 20th century. It's not like McNulty couldn't have sent back another vial of serum to send Jack home. He just says oh well it's broken I guess I'm stuck here. The movie ends before you have time to think about it. The truth is Jack is selfishly taking over Phil's life because he prefers the 20th century to the 23rd. He still has to sire the Deth family line, Whistler even mentions Phil would have gone on to impregnate Lena because he can wipe out the Deth line by killing Lena too.

In the second movie they suddenly have the time travelling box with it's overly complicated rule that they have send someone's mind back into an ancestor and have them summon the TCL chamber so they can return to the future. Meaning its only possible use is to take them home in their ancestor's body which would alter the past. We saw in the first movie that altering the past alters the present of the 23rd century as they see people vanish right in front of them. So the Council's plan to bring home Wardo and Jack also brings home both of their ancestors and wipes out both family lines between the 20th and 23rd centuries.

Since they didn't plan a seat for Alice they were presumably going to leave her mind in the 20th century, I guess a second chance at life was her reward? Screw her ancestor though huh?

If Wardo was Whistler's brother in the future then they share the same ancestry. Meaning Weisling or whatever his name was should be the only common ancestor either of them can jump into. So who did Wardo jump into in the 20th? Don't say Weisling's brother or cousin or something because that's not in the same line, that's a separate branch. Or maybe it's just close enough?

Jack obviously doesn't care about the rules. He screws over Phil and steals his body, he screws over Alice's ancestor in order to save his wife and give her a second chance, he kills Wardo's ancestor. McNulty really takes it in stride, "I guess you could say Jack found a new home," he says with a grin. Screw Jack! What about Phil?

The biggest plot hole has to be that the Council would want Jack as a member. Really? Jack Deth? The grumpy gumshoe? The guy who can't follow the rules should be calling the shots for the human race? That's a scary notion.

Why couldn't Jack just hit Alice with the serum that sends her back up the line, with knowledge of her future? Then she can avoid the circumstance that leads to her death the next day. It would also give her ancestor her life back.

This goddamn movie. Whose idea was it to shoot every line of dialogue in close up with the actor looking directly at the camera? Awful. How about hiring Jeffrey Combs and then not giving him anything to do? Sad. Hap's suddenly a millionaire who collects fire trucks? Here's what happened, they said we have no budget, we want this movie to look like money, so they started looking for freebies. Hey my friend will let me shoot in his mansion! Hey my friend has a fire truck we can use let's write that into the movie, it will look cool. It's all just so random.

The first movie's charm overcomes its flaws, this one only has the flaws. I like the cast but they don't really save it. Their acting is much worse than the first time around, I think it has to do with shooting every actor separately for the close ups. Maybe they couldn't get all the actors together at once? It doesn't flow naturally at all.

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perfect critique

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