Doesn't the T-800 have to do what John says?
shareI assume it was in conflict with his prime directive, to protect John.
Not destroying itself would mean there will be Cyberdyne in the future.
My explanation would be that at that ponint, the T-1000 was already destroyed, and the T-800 was sent back to protect John against it. So it being out of the picture, maybe the programming had some nuance to it, like "Obey John Connor's commands until all direct threats to his life are eliminated". So the T-800 maybe no longer followed him. Or the command conflicted with the established goal they were trying to accomplish (destroy all pieces of future tech).
Of course this is not confirmed in the movie itself, but it's logical to assume one (or both) of the above.
Doesn't really gel given what happened in Terminator Dark Fate, where a random T-800 pops out to cap John.
That was because of idiotic screenwriting 28 years later. I say idiotic, since it was established that after sending back Kyle, the first T-800, the second T-800 and the T-1000, the time machine was destroyed, so there was no way to send anyone back, at least not with that original machine. Dark Fate provides no explanation in this regard, and generally treats John and Sarah Connor's characters with utmost disrespect.
Anyways, we are discussing the 1991 classic, so something from a movie coming out in 2019 does not really contradict anything I said, does it?
I was being flippant, because you're absolutely right.
Even within the universe's lore Dark Fate makes zero sense in enough ways I could literally write an entire novel about it. I hate that movie more than I can put into words, so I'll stop writing about it for now.
But I think your explanation that there are kernel codes that override any supplementary commands, and destroying the hard unit after the T-1000 was defeated was one of those codes/commands/directives.
Pretty much, now the epic sacrifice the T-800 made is absolutely meaningless.
shareThat was because of idiotic screenwriting 28 years later. I say idiotic, since it was established that after sending back Kyle, the first T-800, the second T-800 and the T-1000,
Yes, and to be frank - I forgive this to T2. I however don't forgive this to T6.
Yes, it's a double standard, but I feel it's justified on the account of T2 being a brilliant movie, and T6 being a horrible one.
How do we know the time machine was destroyed after Kyle and the first T-800 were sent back?
shareI'm pretty sure Kyle told Sarah that the machine was to be destroyed after he went through.
So it's only "him, and me".
Yes, that is exactly what he said but all that shows is what John told him. Kyle could not have witnessed the actual destruction so that does not establish the time machines was, in fact, destroyed.
John could have told him that for numerous reasons such as "I have to tell him that so he will go the extra step to save my mom and not rely on the next guy.", or that could have been the plan but it was not executed after Kyle left.
Oh, so you were just asking a rhetorical question to make this silly point. Yes, all this shows that that is what John told him. Or maybe he misheard. Or maybe the John that ordered him to go to the past was already possessed by Skynet and is actually leading him to damn humanity.
Yes, you can weasel in an explanation to justify that the time machine wasn't destroyed because we don't see it on screen. Because how could we know ANYTHING that wasn't explicitly shown?
In the context of the conversation that you just jumped into to ask your question, the other fellow was saying:
That was because of idiotic screenwriting 28 years later. I say idiotic, since it was established that after sending back Kyle, the first T-800, the second T-800 and the T-1000, the time machine was destroyed
His programming presumably comes to an end once his objective has been achieved (ensuring John Connor survives).
Once the T-1000 is destroyed, he no longer needs to obey him.
T-800 explain his reason at the end.
If T-800 doesn't die, it might cause Skynet, and it will kill John.
His mission is to protect John, he have to prevent that possibility, therefor "old John's order"(save John) override "young John's order"(not to go).
And then T3 shits all over that.
I like Terminator 3 for the action scenes but yeah. That it did. And the stupid thing is that it is written that somehow without any kind of tech from the future, skynet and its robots can still exist. Even the 2nd film works in that regard since it is not that implausable that someone in authority at the end of the first film would be facinated by the smashed up remains of the terminator at the end.
If anything the first film basically makes it so Skynet created itself by sending a terminator back in time. Maybe if it had killed all the Sarah Connors it would have had always had a secondary mission to go up to a human scientist and have said human scientist disect it to insure Skynet gets created.
T3 is an entertaining film. Alien 3 is a good film.
Neither of them can be considered canon.
I watched it last year for the first time in ages. Better than I remembered but the action felt too cgi compared to 2 which is a bit odd considering 3 was a lot newer. I presume 2 used more practical effects or something similar?
I remember hearing cyberdine got bought out so all I can guess is.some stuff wasn't destroyed e.g. backups which allowed them to continue skynet
Yeah. Only the T-1000 morphing scenes were CGI. The majority of the action scenes were done with practical effects.
shareThe thing is a lot of films use too much CGI when it's not actually needed
shareI know. I think most explosions in movies these days are CGI.
shareUnfortunately true, since it's cheaper and easier to digitally blow up a building/car than to get permits, pay for the lot, pay a demolitions crew, pay for the safety crew, pay an entire separate unit (or second unit) to go film the explosion, and if it isn't done right do it again.
Even still, practical explosions look 1000% better than the CGI crap, and it makes a world of difference in terms of a film holding up over time, since CGI explosions and CGI blood look absolutely awful.
yah i wish, it ended here with T-800 melting itself..
BUT NO T3 had to f*** it all up.
and they managed to make John even more annoying!
I always took it as another example of how the T-800 is evolving past its programming.
They taught it to value human life. He has broken his programming to the point where he now understands humanity. And as such, is no longer bound by his programming to simply "obey".
HE decides for himself in that moment to disobey John and sacrifice himself, for the good of the world (and human life). And he understands what death truly means - "I know now why you cry..."
After saying that, the terminator does stop what he's doing momentarily. He then does that little bit about knowing why people cry and then he and John hug.
I always sort of took that hug as more or less signifying John's reluctant sign-off that it was okay for him to die now.
Because the T-800 finished its mission you ass didn't you pay attention to the movie.
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