Question about ending (spoiler)
so does Hurricane die at the end or what? sure he's stabbed and bleeding but i didn't know how to take it- i even watched the commentary but it shed no light whatsoever.
shareI meant Pluto, he's dead.
"Don't talk to me about endings, dare the beginnings" [Jack Ketchum, '7/69']
No, he does not die. They wouldnt have him talking to his son and dying in front of his son. But, I belive they leave it vague to allow us to interpret the ending. In my interpretation, he comes clean to his wife and they adopt the child.
shareWhen the credits started rolling, he was still alive, therefore indicating that he did not die in the movie. Nothing happens after the movie. You are to interpret it in your own way...just like the absoultely amazing film from John Carpenter...The Thing.
shareCrap, I was thinking about the other guy. my bad. The Paxton character doesn't die. I was mixed up for a minute. Sorry!
"Don't talk to me about endings, dare the beginnings" [Jack Ketchum, 7/69]
Excellent *beep* analogy!!! The Thing and One False Move are both great *beep* films that are too interesting and complex to be able to answer pat and easy questions like, "What does the end mean?" If we knew the answer to these questions, Christianity would be obsolete.
shareI realize I'm replying to my own message, but I just realized that the word *beep* is replaced with the word beep (i.e. although I didn't type it that way, in the text you people are now reading, the word beep appears twice). In other words, if I wanted wanted to assume the role of the roadrunner's stenographer, I could either write "beep, beep," or *beep* beep." I will rest easy tonight knowing that those good, old-fashioned purtian mores that I was raised with are still intact. We wouldn't want any four-letter curse words seeping out into the mainstream. *beep* if that happened, we might start fighting a war with a *beep* middle eastern country that we don't *beep* belong in. Please reply so I will know if I'm just being inexplicably misanthropic, or if my complaint is justified. If you want to call me and I don't answer, just leave a message after the *beep*
shareYou can always use 'sh%t' or "f#ck", or "fhuck". It makes it easier to understand your meaning. Beep could mean 20 different *beep* things. Maybe even *beep*
There is no night as deep as this
Inevitable mind's abyss
Where I now dwell with foes alone
*beep*-A right, man!
A gov't big enough to supply everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have
christianity is obsolete
What the $%*& is a Chinese Downhill?!?
I agree, I don't believe he dies in the film. But I bring a different question, is that kid really his son? Although not really implied, there is a possibility Ray could also be the father. He's from Star City and have a current relationship. Lila also never really gives Hurricane concrete proof that's he's the father, so there is some doubt. Her intentions towards the end are misleading. Will she help the criminals or her former lover? .... any thoughts?
sharei believed he died from blood loss. if you dont think they wont let him die in front of his son then think that, we are all entitled to our own ending of the movie..
shareIn the movie Fantasia tells Hurricane that she was only seventeen and a virgin when she had sex with him (apparently when he busted her for shoplifting lipstick) and, therefore, he would be the father of her son. Fantasia's brother talks about how she left to go to Hollywood to be a star but doesn't mention or imply anything about her relationship with Ray. What bothers me a little about this whole "who's the daddy" thing is that, since Fantasia's son is 4 or 5 years old and she was invovled with Hurricane at 17 and left Star city two years after the kid was born, are we supposed to believe that she is 22 years old?
shareSure that would be wonderful but it would also epitomize the most over-the-top, Hollywood ending where everything false in to place.
I hate to break it to you but when writing fiction there are often very good reasons for leaving information out. The main plot was about the rampage and that is what was seen to its logical conclusion.
I suppose one could write an excellent sequel based on your idea, but it would be an entirely different genre, don't you think?
If it was me, I would also leave it hanging because the main reason for that particular sub-plot was to further counter racial stereotypes and also to show what a mess life can become when anyone practices deception. What I like most about the ending was that it was not overly typical and the bad guys still paid for their sins. In addition, the innocent offspring (the cute 5 year old boy) seemed to have a cheerful disposition that one can hope will lead to a happier life than any of the developed characters. Lyla seemed to have been corrupted by the Hurricane character and her lack of confidence in the justice system seems justified considering that she gave her virginity in exchange for being let off on a shoplifting charge. Her family seemed to have very high moral standards and the only sin I saw was when the brother tried to satisfy her sister without revealing her location. Most of us know that is obstruction but the reality is that very few people would inform the police against the interest of family members unless there is a very clear probability that the suspect is dangerous and even then a lot of people just would not be able to do it.
I believe Bill Paxton's character died just after the movie ended. He had been severely stabbed in the abdomen and also shot once. I don't think he could have survived much longer. Of course I would have rather have him surviving, but I don't think that was the case. I never saw this movie until about 9 months ago, Very good acting and realistic story, no *beep* Steve in San Diego
shareListen to the commentary. Franklin says he wanted to hint at a bond initiating between Hurricane and his son. The ending, according to Franklin, is supposed to be hopeful. I interpret that as being that he lives.
There is no night as deep as this
Inevitable mind's abyss
Where I now dwell with foes alone
I was watching the movie again and thinking about the part maybe 50 minutes into the movie or so when Bill Paxton's character (Hurricane) and wife are having the two LAPD dicks over for the bbq. Hurricane tells one of the detectives that his mom told him he was born under a lucky star, and how he's been lucky throughout his life. So What the *ell- hopefully he did live. But remember, it's only a movie, and a good one at that!- Steve
shareI'd say he died. That would have wrapped the movie up quite neatly.
shareI agree with you - he died. Remember the sound of the bird - the whip-poor-will. Lila repeated several times that hearing this means somebody's gonna die. I think it meant, in this case, they were ALL gonna die. Cleans the movie up real nice with the young boy witnessing the man's death. He may even learn later in life the man was his father. Did anyone listen to the director's commentary? It may have given the definitive answer.
shareOh yeah, Billy Bob and Pluto are definitely dead. One of the L.A. cops checks on Billy Bob to make sure. And, we see Pluto give out his last breath and collapse.
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