The whole fetus twin thing seemed liked a tacked on ending to me. So they could make the antichrist a boy. I just think it would have fit the movie better to have Delia be the antichrist and leave it that, especially since most of the movie seemed to imply it.
shareI've always wondered if that ended is based on a real Medical anomaly, I rather doubt it however.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2346476&page=1
Yes, fetus in fetu is indeed a real medical condition. In the words of ABC News (the above link):
<i>fetus in fetu. It is an extremely rare abnormality that occurs when a fetus gets trapped inside its twin. The trapped fetus can survive as a parasite even past birth by forming an umbilical cordlike structure that leaches its twin's blood supply until it grows so large that it starts to harm the host, at which point doctors usually intervene.</i>
The condition itself is real, the idea of being able to remove the twin and implant it into someone else's womb, however, is not as the twin grows as the host does. (So Alexander would have been roughly around the size of Delia in the film.)
I just thought of The Venture Brothers reading your post.
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However, apparently children of the devil have the ability for the twin to be implanted. I wonder when and who discovered Delia was carrying a twin inside her? Was it the doctor who examined her after she fell off the horse. I always got the feeling that those in league with the devil knew who Delia was when she was born. That the whole adoption was premeditated so Delia would be adopted to that couple.
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Obviously when she was born(and I am assuming it was probably Kate Reynold's baby)those in league with the devil knew she was the offspring of Damian. I'm not sure if the nuns were formerly in league with the devil and now they didn't have the guts to kill Delia as a baby instead of adopting her off. If they had reformed they would not have let her go into the politically rich family. I guess they were trapped into following through with the orders. And I wonder what it would take to kill Delia. Could she die like a human or would you need the daggers. Even though she was not the antichrist she still was the spawn of satan and I would think you could not kill her normally. Obviously the doctor Lou was in league with the devil(and knew who Delia's father was) and was probably one of those people gathered at Damien's speeches from Omen III. He arranged the adoption of Delia into the home of the Yorks. I'm not sure if he thought that Delia was the antichrist at first or if it was known that she carried the egg of her twin inside her. If he knew then I guess he would know it was time to remove it when Delia started menstruating.
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So if Alexander was actually the antichrist I wonder what Delia's role would have been later on. I think that until Alexander became aware of his powers it would be up to Delia to protect him from those that might be out to destroy him. She would probably start teaching him to about their ancestry and make sure any Christian influences didn't try to "contaminate" him. I wonder though what her political role would be when she became an adult. I bet she would become a charasmatic politician that would be able to manipulate people. She would convince people to believe in the antichrist as if she were spreading the good word like christians do. She would pave the way for Alexander. The difference between Delia and Damien obviously was that Delia seemed to know and have an intentional awareness of evil from an early age. Sure Damien had natural instincts to be afraid of churches and things but he didn't know or really think of himself that different from others until he discovered who he was. I'm assuming that Delia knew of her ancestry at 8(age she was supposed to be in the film) because she says "my father" when Joe asked her about the inverted cross.
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I see her serving sort of as a Surrogate Mother, having a complex and perhaps even incestuous relationship with him. IN some ways I see analogies of Olympians and Alexander, Poppea and Nero, and other complex interesting Mother and Son pairings.
I also see her becoming sort of a Counterfeit Virgin Mary.
The fact there technician I don't will Eb forgotten thou, since many Theologians are more and more now seeing Parallels between Apollo and the Antichrist (Especially in light of Virgil's' 4th Eclogue, an Apollyon being an archaic alternate ending of Apollo) I also see Delia being like Artemis.
I would also see them for they made movies about this bringing back the Whore of Babylon theme, with Delia as the Whore, at some point inevitable killed be Alexander when he no longer needs her. Like Nero killed his Mother.
I suspect once she'd matured she'd become quite a Femme Fatale, a Delia like figure leading good "Christian" men astray.
Politically I see her as a sort of High Priestess, leading the Antichrist's false religion prior to be replaced by The False Prophet.
"SLaughter is the best medicine"
I don't like the idea of her being destroyed though and Alexander not needing her. We need a powerful satanic female figure. Its perverted but it would not be surprising for her to start a incestuous relationship with Alexander. I think Alexander would be come a smoother and more subtle person than Delia. He would be like Damien who seemed more reserved than Delia. We know that Delia as a child was just an absolute unlikeable brat unlike Damien as a child. I wonder if she would be a conniving bitch when she got older. No doubt as a teenager and adult she would be sexually promiscuous. Probably with men and women. She would have some kind of irrisitable appeal that draws people in. Alexander on the other hand would not flaunt himself like Delia. He would be more outwardly charming and mask his inner evil. Maybe if Alexander does kill her it is out of disgust that she is such a "whore". The literal Whore of Babylon. Because she had already started menstruating it would not be surprising if she became sexual at 10 or something. She was after all not a normal girl.
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Indeed, I could see her a 12 seducing her teachers and then blackmailing them with the threat of statutory rape.
But ultimately the Antichrist works alone.
When the chips are down... these "Civilized" people... will Eat each Other
She'd be his protector and maybe mate for life or until they are finally killed. It's no surprise that incest would be in the books because that's very in tone with hellish stuff.
She was about 9 or 10 years older so she probably would have done away with the Dad when she was ready and probably inherited the money from him. She would have then waited until Alexander was of age before she started explaining his history and purpose, my guess is 12 or 13. She would then introduce him to the vices (/pleasures in their book) of life including sex and power. He would probably then need no one else besides her because she is all he knows, sort of like Damien as he was by himself besides his advisor in Part 3. Except of her role and impact on him.
Delia would have probably been the head witch of the high school who controlled everyone and caused drama just for the hell of it (pun intended there!) She would have been a the girl who turned the church girls and the christian boys astray, just for her pleasure. I doubt Alex would have been that way, he would have been more reserved like Damien was in part 2. I could see him like Damien as an athlete in probably Football.
As career wise, I could see Delia doing porn or being a twisted Marylin Monroe figure, one who is very dark but yet drives the men/women nuts as fans of her. Alex would probably be a Football player turned politician, which leads to taking power if not stopped.
It's a shame part 4 was bad because besides the obvious incest tones this could make a good movie or two.
The baby was never implied to be Sister Felicity's. She was just an 'impostor' nun, similar to those in the previous 'Omen' films.
While Delia's mother identity was never officially revealed, it is basically accepted that it was Kate Reynolds from "Omen III."
"I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus."
"Didn't he discover America?"
"Penfold, shush."
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It was basically shown to us that Sister Yvonne (Felicity) was either an impostor nun or a 'turncoat' near the beginning, before the Yorks come pick up baby Delia.
Sister Felicity & the Mother Superior are talking:
Sister Felicity: "You've damned us. CURSED US WITH THAT CHILD!"
Mother Superior: "I can think of no worse curse, than the murder of a child."
Sister Felicity: "Which never should have been BORN!"
[strikes Sister Felicity] "BE QUIET!"
Sister Felicity: [praying]"God, forgive us we're really sorry!"
[strikes Sister Felicity even harder several times] [gasps as she has a heart attack]
Sister Felicity: [screams & runs to chapel] [falls down before Christ statue]
[Christ statue inverts itself]
[Sister Felicity screams]
Pretty much explains it all. They betrayed God.
Then, later in the film, she does it again.
"I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus."
"Didn't he discover America?"
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I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Perhaps 'impostor' is the wrong word to use, but Sister Yvonne certainly betrayed God by going along with the charade...and putting Delia with the Yorks.
I just didn't see anything to indicate that she was Delia's mom at all. I figured the film would have indicated it at some point.
As to the sex scene in Part III, Damien started having sex with Kate the 'regular' way so he certainly could have impregnated her then, with pre-ejaculate.
Whether he had anal sex with her is up for debate by film fans. The film nor the book really reveals whether it was or it was just rough regular sex.
Either way, Damien could easily have impregnated Kate Reynolds.
"I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus."
"Didn't he discover America?"
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I may have an answer to your first paragraph. Even though the omen IV book deviates from the movie in it Kate does not even know she is pregnant but as far as I can remember thinks she has a tumor growing inside of her. Why this is I do not know. She finally goes to the doctor and finds out what it is. The child in the book however is a boy and the story is completely different. Here is a little tidbit that is interesting what happened in the book. Apparently after the baby was born they set it down on the floor of the operating room and a big black dog was there that licked him clean.
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It has been a very long time since I read the books of omen 4 and 5. However from what I remember there was no struggle. Damiens son was weirder too than Damien and in fact a recluse
From what I remember since he was a very young child he never left his house. People around him feared him more than Damien and he was not as charming as his father. Delia in the movie version was also creepier than Damien and not near as charming. So the son of Damien seems like he would have been more interesting to see in the movies than Damien in a way.
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