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Why do Iranians believe this is supposed to be a documentary about Iran?


This movie is about one woman's experience with her husband and daughter, and the challenges she faced in getting home after her husband lied to her and treated her as a second class being. The fact is, the guy was living in the US for 20 years, they met in the US, wed in the US and their daughter was born in the US. Is that indicative of someone who the wife should assume had intended to kidnap her and their child to Iran under false pretenses?

I am surprised to see that at least half of the reviews about this movie are devoted to slamming the way Iran was portrayed (and oftentimes defended by someone who claims they are from Iran but are now living in places like Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, etc. gee, I wonder what made them all relocate?). Let's face it - they can't argue the merits of what was presented such as the fact that Betty couldn't leave with her daughter, couldn't come and go as she wished, had to be swaddled from head to toe in order to go out on the street, etc. Who really cares whether or not there are sheep on the streets in Tehran - I know I don't. That scene was less than 5 seconds of the whole movie. So - no attempt was made to dispel the 'Westernized propaganda' of the slaughtering of that goat upon their arrival - I guess that was accurate?

I really doubt the movie was made as anti-Iranian propaganda. Overreaction much? It's funny that so many of the folks who are getting apoplectic on IMDB about how their glorious homeland is being falsely portrayed have themselves chosen to leave their motherland to live in Western countries like the US, Canada, and those already listed above.

I watched this movie purely because I read the book, enjoyed it, and wanted to see how they did turning it into a movie. Considering the finished product, it doesn't really give you all the details of the filth and squalor Betty had to deal with like picking maggots out of the rice, the snot-crusted chador the sister made her wear, etc. but it did a fairly good job nonetheless.

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Yeah, I have Iranian friends in school whose families came here to escape that "ancient and complex culture" some people yammer on about. Not one of them would go back if you gave them the keys to the kingdom.



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You are a moron beyond words.

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caz that's what the ppl of a nation thino when the madeup experience of one women is shown for the world & every one dreads their country & believes it.

It is really easy to sit back & accept whatever lies they feed us in movies & not even giving the people of the nations being slandered by holly woood producers,the benefit of the doubt.This is not the first nor the last time that we see such movies drag not one,not 10 but millions of ppl's names through the mud just by making a movie most of which are made in the name of Comedies,the others dramas "based on truth".America's policy towards Iran & the middle east is obvious & its media tries to leave thae same impresion in public minds by showing the middle eastern ppl as a neanderthal generation,violent with no culture or civilization.
if they wanna let ppl know the truth why don't they tell them about the plans made by them & Betty -who is a member of CIA -several years before marrying Dr.Mahmud?Alice Sharif ,one of Betty's friends that also married an Iranian & now lives a happy ,rich life in Iran says"She betrayed all of us because we had a great life in Iran & were financially Supported by our educated husbands".The lies shown in this movie simply didn't include the cruelty of such a she-beast who prevented a compassionate father from seeing his only daughter ;a great unrecovereable sorrow that eventually lead to his death!
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All that rambling, and not one speck of a semblance to a response to my thread. You are spouting the same defensive baloney I spoke of, and not addressing the subject of my thread. You have not once shown how anything portrayed in the movie is debasing the nation of Iran as a whole, or all its citizens, or even explaining coherently what if anything was inaccurate? What are the lies in the movie?

Oh, and please let me know if you are an Iranian now living in a Western nation - it would be further proof for my observation on those who are most vocal in assassinating this movie as a pile of lies and propaganda.

Thanks in advance for your on-topic response.

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^^^LOL Betty a member of the CIA ROTFLMAO
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f they wanna let ppl know the truth why don't they tell them about the plans made by them & Betty -who is a member of CIA -several years before marrying Dr.Mahmud?


you should see a shrink...but I'm thinking in Iran there is a long waiting list..

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Nobody likes negative stereotypes, especially when it applies to them.
It's not your fault if you don't associate the pain of a negative film to your culture or nation. Perhaps you're American (like me) and white. Imagine how a black guy feels when he sees an urban crime drama where the black guy ends up being the culprit.

I think the movie is more of an assault on Islamic extremism than it is on Iranian people. I haven't yet met an Iranian that has ever acted with such malice for their wife and child.

Los Angeles has the largest population of Iranian people outside of the country, and yet you don't see women walking around in chadors and asking for permission to go to Ralphs. That is purely a religious construct that the Iranian people are happy to shed when they leave their country.

Some exceptions apply, as shown in this movie. They do bring their strong family values with them. It's unfortunate that showing middle easterns in a positive light isn't likely to set records at the box office.

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Nick, you just confirmed what this topic is about and therefore your defense will not be valid.

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I am a Western woman and I am not a "deasease carrying whore." I've had one man in my life. One, whom I was married to. And I know many women like me.

You criticize others for blanket statements and then state that all western women are whores.

You also disbelieve Betty because you can't believe that men could be so cruel. Some men are. There is no reason to disbelieve her. I fail to understand what you mean by Betty's whoredom. Do you mean her right not to be abused and to raise her daughter?

You sound like a man who hates women and doesn't think they should have rights to their bodies and their children.

Betty married Moody in the states. She was raising her daughter there. She never agreed to move. Her and her daughter were kidnapped by Moody.

But I guess in your world women shouldn't have any say over these matters. If they have a mind then they must be whores.

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So, how long have you been suffering from acute misogyny?

Especially indicative as to how far your reply was from hitting the mark, you apparently think a female can be emasculated.

Fail. Better luck next time Skippy. My condolences for being married to someone who hails from the nation for which the term "ethnic cleansing" had to be invented. You go get you some of that AWESOME sharia law now, ya hear?

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Yeah, it's not like Iran-haters are doing what you said in the title.

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To the OP: I believe that this movie, and especially the book on which its based, reflect more than one Iranian man and his family. They inevitably reflect, to a degree, the culture, mores, attitudes, lifestyle of Iranian society.


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To the OP: I believe that this movie, and especially the book on which its based, reflect more than one Iranian man and his family. They inevitably reflect, to a degree, the culture, mores, attitudes, lifestyle of Iranian society.


It does indeed portray a good bit of Iranian culture, circa the '80s at least. It may be the same today, or worse.
I will say that the novel & the film both take great pains to show that not all Iranians hate Americans. Many love America & its society!


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It does indeed portray a good bit of Iranian culture, circa the '80s at least. It may be the same today, or worse.
I will say that the novel & the film both take great pains to show that not all Iranians hate Americans. Many love America & its society!

Good reply. I have to point out though that the book was not a novel, but rather an autobiography.

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