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I knew them and that's what happened


I live in Los Angeles and have recently been browsing here, I was not surprised to see that Betty's story was discussed on this website considering the impact the movie has made, but the amount of contradictions and assumptions of people who really think they know what happened or been to Iran.

Shamseh Najafi is my aunt, married to my father's cousin. She currently resides in Seattle, as for her sister Zari, she was interned in a hospital in Iran in 2001.

Both sisters have spent great deal of time the last few months with Betty in Tehran, although her book mentions them briefly. What I meant to say was that from that point on, only family and close friends know what really happened:

Betty was seeking advice to get a divorce from Moody while still in the US end of 1983, in fact she was looking for legal ways to obtain Mahtab's custody, but Moody was unaware of all that back then. Once in Iran in the summer of 1984, he suggested that they prolong their vacation by weeks and meant it (nothing more), to which a clash followed, and only then did Betty announce that she wanted a divorce and leave with Mahtab.

Moody forced Betty to stay in Iran despite her pleas in order to resolve the matter, the fact was that he wanted to keep Mahtab, and “the story” would not have happened had he obtained a certainty to share custody of his daughter.
No long after having kept them in Iran, Betty denounced him and filed at the “American section in the Swiss embassy” for divorce and expatriation with Mahtab.
On one hand, the Islamic Republic rewards children to the father. On the other, Moody was a paranoid coward who fearing he would face (divorce) court and the certainty of losing his daughter in the US, only then decided that he and MAHTAB wouldn't go back. Betty was allowed to.

Betty stayed willingly because of Mahtab… until her ill father came to a critical condition some year later. Moody bought a return ticket via Zurich and she refused to leave. She was seeing someone else, despite the tough Islamic regulations, but in Iran, trust me it’s common despite the facts… all discreet. She no longer got along with Moody even in a platonic way and was rarely home anyways.
So Betty took off with the help of Ali Oskouian who paid for the trip….
She never escaped through the mountains to Turkey like her book says, but to an island south of Iran and by boat to Dubai where she boarded a flight to London. She would have never survived a stroll through Iranian mountains, let alone with her 6 year old. It takes full moral and physical strength and a lot of training.

FACTUAL POINTS:

Moody used to beat Betty, they fought all the time, and she would get bruised up. The beating stopped the second year when they moved into their own duplex, because he lost interest in her by then, and she finally knew how to cope with him. But it was obvious to outsiders that there wasn’t any harmony in the couple. However, Moody never laid a hand on Mahtab. Mahtab herself was never to confirm that.

Moody's family never helped Betty; or him for that matter. They are selfish, they are dirty, and they do not represent the elite like Betty thought or made believe, they are as simple as one can get, but abide by society rules and post revolution Islamic rules to the bone.

Betty was never locked away nor seperated from Mahtab. It’s pure fiction.
Mahtab went to school and Betty wasn't forced to sit with her, nor was she beaten by leaving school or home, she went wherever she wanted at any time.

Moody never refused them anything, was of a genuine Middle Eastern generosity to both, but loving to his daughter only. He simply adored her, more than he ever loved Betty.

Moody never envisaged returning to the US himself because he feared court, and had a complex of humiliation, he hated being bullied or humiliated (like all Iranian males for that matter), but mostly because of Betty’s threats. She threatened to denounce him to human right activists and to the police for beating her. As an Iranian, he knew he would never stand a chance to fight back.

The funny thing is that Moody actually disliked living in Iran after no more than 6 month from their arrival and dreamt of being the successful doctor he once was in the US and always bragged about it, then at times complained of Iranian life and seeked for a solution to return to the US to practice again.

That is simply said the plain truth about Not without my daughter.

Both parents are equally at fault, Betty was selfish and a hypocrite, planning to leave Moody since 83 and take THEIR daughter along. Moody was arrogant, egomaniac, and a coward who chose the easy path, by staying in Iran, rather than fight back.
But in no way was THE ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY influencing his decisions (to live in Iran for instance) because he never was, nor became, a practicing Muslim anyways.

PS: The book is somehow racist, if you read it again, you’ll realize the description and degradation of a whole race and country.
Then again, had I been imprisoned in Turkey and treated like Billy Hayes (in his MIDNIGHT EXPRESS story) I’d loath Turks forever, their children and their land and religion.

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THAT IS CRAP[;

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Thank you. Finally someone tells us the truth. I am an American-born daughter of Iranian immigrants and this movie disgusts me.

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what is all the fuss about?? so what if they didnt have the true story?? if they did then it wouldnt be as half as intresting as it is!

its a movie let it rest! its based on a true story not a documentray!!!!



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there is always two sides to every story and i never assumed it was all true, i think its a brilliant film and i am sad it disgusts you sheila. This sort of this happens everywhere not only in Iran. Turkey, Nigeira or where ever you name it. child abductions happen everywhere and so do this sort of entrapment! try to keep an open mind - betty critised moody's family not the whole of Iran.

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I guess any movie that portrays middle eastern culture as barbaric in any way shape or form is just american propaganda...is that right? Even in the case of a true story.

Racist? Uh, well then I guess I'm a racist because I think the movie is interesting. "YOU PEOPLE" are idiotic!

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true story? Hello?
where you there? how do you know she is telling the truth?
the husband had an interview a few years ago and he said that everything she says is a lie!! neither of them have solid proof against the other only their words.
why should we believe one over the other?

TRUTH IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE

if you choose to believe the wife 100% without paying any attention to what the husband says then you are as stupid as the mullah government of Iran that only believes the husband without paying any attention to what the wife says!

conclusion:
fanatics on both sides are similar!

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Excellent point Capa M and they take after my own heart and I never really knew which version I could trust whether Betty or Moody's version. And no one has ever spoken of it more elequently and I couldn't agree more that the truth is somewhere in the middle!

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How can something be 'interesting' if it has little basis on reality? You mean you found the narrative or the direction and the performances interesting? Fair enough. Did you find the story interesting because of the characterisation? Okie dokie. But the implication is that you thought the film was interesting because it provided you with an insight into Iranian life.

"YOU PEOPLE" are idiotic!

What a wonderful, well thought out point! Interesting argument there. No wait, sarcasm just means I'm descending to your level :) Insults, what do they achieve? It's not going to make any of the posters here think, oh right, I am idiotic, well that's me converted to the other point of view then.

No-one is calling you a racist for liking the film. It's just that Iranians and most middle-eastern people receive negative and skewed media attention and are portrayed as aggressive, backward animals - this sort of film when not entirely accurate and playing on those feelings only encourages more ignorance on the subject thus in turn increasing suspicion and hostility towards those of a different race so you can imagine why it would be upsetting for some. If you read the original post you'll find that there is another account of the events told through the film and that therefore it cannot be considered a 'true story.'

I'd be more sympathetic to your views if you had said "I guess any movie that portrays 'a middle eastern family' etc etc" as opposed to a "a middle eastern culture". If you had indeed viewed the film as such then I believe the other posters have a point in suggesting the film encourages racism. Not that it's American propaganda but that it creates beliefs of an unacceptable nature.

Tell me, do you know any Iranians personally?

Btw, I should like to point out that there are indeed many Iranians who are backward and cruel. There are also many backward and cruel English people and backward and cruel Nigerians and backward and cruel Australians. My point is, there are bad people in every nation, there are good people in every nation, the mistake is to typify an entire nation as backward and cruel. There are people currently in charge of Iran that I dislike, would I use that government and some of its supporters as an example of the culture that preceded it or the people who still adhere to that culture? I won't go too deeply into the politics of the matter but it is a widely known fact that America and Britain assisted the Islamic revolution for lower oil prices, they then again turned against Iran when the ayatollah decided to break their agreement and once again charge just as much as the shah... the point is that the revolution did not have the support of the majority.

Now a film about that internal conflict between the 'conservative' Muslims and the more liberal Iranians, that would be interesting :) Shame it'd never get made, wouldn't be allowed by the Iranian gov't and I doubt there's a market for it in the west either.

Sorry for rambling on, I know much of what I've been saying didn't strictly pertain to what you were saying but I got lost in my own thoughts :)

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Sheila, this movie disgusts you because the truth hurts and it seems you are more iranian than American.

Oh and do you think that the truth' so called shows Mahmoody in a good light? One that as a good Iranian yo could be proud of?? Because I certainly don't.

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I guess my first question would be...how do YOU know this? Were you there? Did you see this yourself? You can't call something a lie if you weren't there to see or hear that it was a lie.

Personally, I'm more inclined to believe Betty over him. Not saying that everything she said is 100% true, but I do believe that 90% of it is, and that's enough for me.

I'm so tired of the rhetoric that this film is racist or otherwise against Iranians. The fact of the matter is that, at that time that the movie is set Iran, just like many other Middle Eastern countries, were very sexist and opressive to women. Not ALL men are, but generally speaking, that's how the culture was at the time.

Not only that, but at NO POINT in the movie did she say or was it implied that Iranians are bad. The ONLY people who were depicted as bad was Moody's family. In fact, she made it seem like the rest of Iranians were nice to her. Some of them helped her escaped and those people are depicted as very kind and helpful.

Moody was shown as being torn between his responsibilities to his family and his life as a US citizen. He actually appeared very sad and torn to me and that's why it was IMPOSSIBLE for me to view him as a true villain. I actually felt very sorry for him. At the same time, I don't like the change that he made towards his wife and child. In the way he treated them he WAS a villain.

I've read interviews with Mahtob and she said that the only reason why she refuses to go to Iran to see her father is because there she would be considered his property and he could actually force her to stay there. She said that he's welcome to come and see her in the US, but he flat-out refuses to do that. That's HIS fault.

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I agree with mel_anie_98.

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First thing, mel anie, Mohamoody was NOT a US citizen. He had had plenty of opportunity to become one (20 years in the US) but he was still only a green card holder. Had he been a citizen he would have have rock solid rights to partial custody ofhis daughter and there would have ben no one who could have denied him. So his innate distrust and dislike of the US caused him trouble there.

Secondly, he LIED TO BETTY WHEN HE TOLD HER THEY WERE GOING TO IRAN ONLY BECAUSE HIS ELDERLY MOTHER WAS ILL AND NEEDED HIM, THEY WERE GOING ONLY FOR TWO WEEKS AND THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK. AND THENHE WOULD NOT LET THEM LEAVE AND WOULD NOT RETURN TO THE US WITH THEM.

He made his own bed and bitched when he had to lie in it.

That's it and all about it!!

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Moody's parents were both dead when Moody, Betty & Mahtob went to Iran. Betty was aware of this. There was no elderly sick mother.

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"The ONLY people who were depicted as bad was Moody's family."

Yes, especially his sister. And even there, it should be noted that in the book(& to a lesser degree in the movie), Betty points out that his sister eventually changed sides, & helped HER against him!!!!

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I guess my first question would be...how do YOU know this? Were you there? Did you see this yourself? You can't call something a lie if you weren't there to see or hear that it was a lie.

Personally, I'm more inclined to believe Betty over him. Not saying that everything she said is 100% true, but I do believe that 90% of it is, and that's enough for me.

I'm so tired of the rhetoric that this film is racist or otherwise against Iranians. The fact of the matter is that, at that time that the movie is set Iran, just like many other Middle Eastern countries, were very sexist and opressive to women. Not ALL men are, but generally speaking, that's how the culture was at the time.

Not only that, but at NO POINT in the movie did she say or was it implied that Iranians are bad. The ONLY people who were depicted as bad was Moody's family. In fact, she made it seem like the rest of Iranians were nice to her. Some of them helped her escaped and those people are depicted as very kind and helpful.

Moody was shown as being torn between his responsibilities to his family and his life as a US citizen. He actually appeared very sad and torn to me and that's why it was IMPOSSIBLE for me to view him as a true villain. I actually felt very sorry for him. At the same time, I don't like the change that he made towards his wife and child. In the way he treated them he WAS a villain.

I've read interviews with Mahtob and she said that the only reason why she refuses to go to Iran to see her father is because there she would be considered his property and he could actually force her to stay there. She said that he's welcome to come and see her in the US, but he flat-out refuses to do that. That's HIS fault.

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Where have you read interviews with Mahtob. I'd certainly like to hear what she has to say about all this, and what she remembers. Where did you find interviews?

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Wow. That's very informative.

You think Moody is still around? Hopefully not, but if he is, do alot of people try to beat him up for the way he acted?

That guy was seriously and mentally disturbed. He was apparently frustrated with his own life, but that's no reason to take it out on your wife and child.


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ugh. people are so one-side minded.

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oh well there you go now we finally have the truth from YOUR MOUTH give me a break
people are not going to believe YOU because of who you might be
I believe betty's story first
and I'm sure many others will as well
ha ha
actually trying to pull something like this on here :(

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Sez you, but then anyone can say anything on these MBs and no one is obliged to believe it.

I prefer the Sally Field version, since it coincides with the experiences of a very close family member.

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