I need this film in my life!


I bought this months 'Total Film' and there was a section entitled: 50 Five-star movies you've never heard of and it said that A brighter summer day is one of the best films ever made and it sounded EFFIN' BRILLIANT and i've been searching everywhere for a region 2 DVD but i can't find one! PLEASE HELP ME! MY LIFE IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT THIS FILM!

Michael Moore deserved that Oscar.

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it's never been released on dvd, that's why in total film it's got PRM written under it, meaning Please Release Me!unlucky

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You can purchase it at superhappyfun.com for $18.50. It is the full 237 minute version spread over 2 DVDr's that were copied from a laserdisc. I haven't received my copy yet so I can't testify to the quality of the transfer, but the always discerning critic Jonathan Rosenbaum stated, in an article for cinemascope, that it was one of the best purchases he made from that site.

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I've got my copy from superhappyfun for $15.00. It's a good transfer, with an average ~4.6MB bitrate, good colours, readable subtitles. Comparing it to my old Fito Mobile 4-VCD version, the quality isn't remarkably better (given that the comparison is VCD to DVD, I would've hoped that they would've been amazingly different in quality, but oh well) BUT the DVD reveals that my old VCD was missing shots! Just the odd 30-seconds here and there, but enough to notice.

If you need this film in your life, then you need this edition. It's region-free, NTSC.

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superhappyfun.com isn't selling it anymore :(

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It is third-world crap. Nobody would give a damn about this if it were an American movie. Amateur hour. No, four hours. On a scale of 10, this is a 2. If you are not Taiwanese or you don't bow down to everything committed to celluloid by benighted third-world countries, avoid this like the plague.

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kriegel0, so what's a movie that should be "given a damn" about eh? harold and kumar goes to white castle? stick with your low-grade high-budget hollywood brain garbage and stay off the art film boards

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How about "Late Spring", "Rashomon", "Early Summer", "Miss Oyu", "The Life of Oharu", "Tokyo Story", "The Seven Samurai", "Yojimbo" and "Sanjuro" (to start at the top for Asian film)? You want a Chinese-language film worth giving a damn about? How about "A Touch of Zen"? Please take a look at my profile and comment history before you assume that I enjoy "low-grade high-budget hollywood [sic] brain garbage". "A Brighter Summer Day" has nothing going for it besides being made in Taiwan, if indeed that is a virtue.

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The problem isn't that you don't like A BRIGHTER SUMMER DAY, because you're entitled to your opinion. The problem is that you refer to it as 'third-world crap' and then implied that movies made in Taiwan are worthless. So, I don't think that just because you admire movies from other Asian countries puts you off the hook. You're still being offensive.

~~With movies, I always consider the economic status of its country of origin as one of the most important deciding factors. Why? Because anything that's produced in a poor country is 'trash.'~~

Don't you see the problem with that rationale? Its based on a simple and hypothetical summarization. Also, you're acting like your opinion is an objective truth. (By my guess, you're a white guy in his 20s.)

Maybe you're partly right that the U.S. reception of A BRIGHTER SUMMER DAY is influenced by it being an foreign import, but that's an endlessly arguable position that you can't really prove. If you want to be more intelligent, why don't you talk about more specific aspects of the movie, like its pace, its cinematography, its acting, anything that's concrete. Don't just say that it's 'third-world' crap.

(Besides, the paradigm of first world/second world/third world is antiquated since no country is predominantly/solely a Communist country. The only people who really use the term 'Third-World' are conservative idealogues who forget how much money the United States have borrowed from other countries. Furthermore, sorry, there is no 'third-world' when most major U.S. corporations are out-sourcing work. Right now, the world is a smaller place than what it was.)

And if you can't tell, I think A BRIGHTER SUMMER DAY is a remarkable and worthwhile film. And this sentiment of mine seems to be the general consensus on this movie. Just look up any review about A BRIGHTER SUMMER DAY. To be anything close to objective, you're apart of the minority, dude.

Lastly, I was unimpressed by A TOUCH OF ZEN. A Kung-Fu movie that tries to be 'cerebral' does not make it a great film.

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It is crap from a third-world country. There is American crap, French crap, third-world crap, got it? It only got some good reviews because a) people from Taiwan or who are interested in Taiwan liked it since it was made in Taiwan or b) reviewers lowered their standards seeing the film was made in a third-world country. I am not trying to let myself off the hook and I really don't give a damn if you hate me or not. I seriously doubt that I am in the minority, i.e. I find it hard to believe that anyone with normal standards would say this is even a good film, let alone a great one. If you are from Taiwan and were impressed by this amateurish elephantine bore, good for you, but I wonder why we should be giving breaks to films from Taiwan any more than we should for films from New Caledonia or the Ivory Coast. I mentioned "A Touch of Zen" because I believe that it is the best Chinese-language film I have seen. I have been impressed by some films by Chen Kaige, Zhang Yimou and others as well. The fact that it is a Kung-Fu movie does not keep it from being a minor classic if it is as extraordinarily creative visually as this is. You might as well disqualify all westerns while you are at it. Being "cerebral" doesn't count a whole lot in my book. The main thing is to have a visual style. In short, I am entitled to my opinions and I would certainly like to do my best to warn people from spending a lot of money to purchase something that is this bad. If that offends the Taiwanese, so be it. If there were more quality films put out by that country, they wouldn't be so offended every time somebody dared to criticize one of them.

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There-- when you talked about A TOUCH OF ZEN, you said it's creative visually, which leads me to believe you didn't like the visual style of A BRIGHTER SUMMER DAY. You sighted something specific and didn't make grand, sweeping statements.

As a means of comparison, I don't necessarily think Kiarostami is as great as most critics say, but at the same time I'm not going to consider my opinion an objective standard or attribute his critical success to a belief that people generally lower their standards for Iranian movies (another 'third-world country.') I don't like Kiarostami because his movies don't do anything for me, not because of a suspicion of a reverse prejudice, or in other words, A CONSPIRACY THEORY (and a rather lame one at that.)

Also, I think your beef is more with New Twainese Cinema, which is a different category than a comprehensive Twainese cinema, which is like thinking "I don't like French movies because I hate the French New Wave." And, most of the movies by Edward Yang or Hsiao-hsien Hou are barely available in the U.S. and their critical reception is relatively small. So why are you so incensed? You don't pour your toxic hatred on something that deserves it, like LADY IN THE WATER or BATTFIELD EARTH?

Also, technically, your opinion, compared to what most reviews of A BRIGHTER SUMMER DAY on the internet say, is the minority opinion. Maybe if you took a sample survey of 100 people, showed them ABSD, asked for their opinion, and then found out they were agreement with you, then I would concede. But until you do a sociological survey of how you're right, I'll be in the majority.

Why don't you base your worldview on something more specific and empirical, not something assumed.



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I can't make specific statements about "A Brighter Summer Day" because the film IN TOTO was bad. The direction, writing, cinematography and acting. Basically, it was completely inchoate. Nothing was dramatically shaped whatsoever. I don't hate Taiwan or "Twainese" [sic] film. Make a good film and I will applaud. I am not incensed, I am bored. This isn't the first boring, amateurish film I have seen and it won't be the last. Hsiao-Hsien Hou has some talent. I liked "The Puppetmaker" and I have seen a few of his other films that didn't impress me as much, but they were never absolutely pointless like "A Brighter Summer Day". If you want a list of specific flaws, I would be happy to give you the run-down on a film such as Chen Kaige's "Farewell, My Concubine", which was by and large excellent with a few weak spots, but I couldn't do it for a film that was nothing but weak spots, such as "A Brighter Summer Day". I don't have any agenda against Asia. There are good movies and bad movies and that is all. THAT is my basic stance.

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A Brighter Summer Day is one of the greatest films ever made. Everything you say is absolutely subjective, and you haven't really pointed out any flaws.

All is grace

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If you think it is one of the greatest films ever made, then you obviously know nothing about cinema as an art, so YOUR opinion besides being also subjective is worthless as well. And I did say that the film was inchoate and utterly devoid of dramatic shaping. The director and scenarists had not the slightest clue of how to construct a film-script that would play. Moreover, it is impossible to make a film with one hundred characters and expect anyone to be able to keep track of them or care one way or the other. (Not that there was one single character that was well-drawn or acted.)

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At the risk of just generating more abuse, I'm going to take a shot at answering Kriege and give some reasons why some of us (some of whom at least think we know a few things about cinema as an art form) believe "A brighter summer day" is a good film. First of all, you're quite right: it does seem pretty inchoate (good word, by the way). The film drifts around, covering both quite a long period of time and quite a large group of characters, and there are lengthy passages where nothing appears to be happening. To make matters worse, a good deal of it, including the major action sequence (the gang fight), takes place in darkness, lit only by torches or candles. Thus, we have an absurdly long film, full of stretches of little or no action, most of which is indistinct at best. What could possibly be right about this picture?

Well, it seems only fair to Yang, as an experienced film-maker, to say that it's all deliberate. His subject is nothing less than the creation of Taiwan, from the arrival of refugees from mainland China in 1949, through to the gradual westernization of the indigenous culture (hence the title, quoting Elvis' "Are you lonesome tonight", which the teenage brothers in the film are seen - and heard - obsessing over) in the mid-sixties. Yang needs to find a cinematic form to match such disparate subject matter, and he does so, I think, via this long and winding style. Different stories are foregrounded at times, although we don't lose track of the main theme - the father, attracting the attention of the secret police for reasons we never quite understand, and the sons, falling in love, and getting into the gang culture. Yang gives us most of it in almost documentary style before shocking us occasionally with a genuinely painterly sequence, clearly as carefully, beautifully composed as the rest seems casual. This is life, he appears to be saying. We never know when the next crossroads is coming, but everything we do contributes to it.

I think he's trying to construct something I would like to call an "intimate epic": the creation of a brand new country as seen through the way it affects one family. Thus the film often seems strangely conflicted: the central fight taking place at night in the torrential rain where we cannot make out the gruesome battle that must be taking place - it's a paradoxical way of creating your big set-piece. And to complicate matters even further, around the edges of the scene is the father's growing problem with the secret police. Yang's long, dreamlike takes refuse to direct our focus (or, given the darkness, are physically unable to); it's up to us in the audience to choose where we look, and how we follow the narrative.

Interestingly, this is a similar technique to that employed by Hou Hsiao-hsien, but I've gone on far too long already (like Yang himself, according to Kriege), so I'd better not go there.

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Oh, man, what did all these deleted posts say? I haven't been on this board for too long, obviously. Even if it was just abuse, I would have loved to read it, because I'm amazed at the level of vitriol the film seems to attract. Can anyone re-post using slightly less incendiary language, please?

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Some trollish nonsense posted numerous times. Something like "Yeah yeah psycho samurai yeah!" as best as I can remember.

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Interesting defense, but I still think it an amateurish bore. There are too many great films out, some of them practically unknown, for me to want to waste time with things like this. By the way, I do like Zhang Yimou, Chen Kaige and Hou Hsiao Hsien, at least some of their films, though I don't quite think they ever made a great one--well, "Farewell, My Concubine" does come close. And as I said before, King Hu's pictures are highly interesting visually, especially "A Touch of Zen", even though I am not a fan of chop-socky action and could really do without all that flying.

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Fair enough, Kriege! It would be a dull world if we all liked the same films. I agree with you that "A touch of Zen" is terrific stuff, and I'm also a big fan of Hou's films. Chen Kaige was good, too - but, boy, what ever happened to his career lately? My own pick of his would be "Temptress moon".

Good luck.

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I just watched it and I without a doubt 'A Brighter Summer Day' is one of the best movies I've ever seen. Seeking this movie out is well worth it. Please don't read anything else about it.

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Kriege is very wrong. If he doesn't like it that's his problem. But saying "If you think it is one of the greatest films ever made, then you obviously know nothing about cinema as an art film", is clear arrogance.

Not to mention the fact that Taiwan is NOT a third world country (with a standard of living in the top 20). So wrong again.

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"Not to mention the fact that Taiwan is NOT a third world country (with a standard of living in the top 20.)"

Then people should stop applauding every time they commit something to celluloid. If Taiwan doesn't want to be thought of as a third-world country then reviewers should start applying the same standards they use for Japan, America and Europe and not those they use for Africa and most of Asia.

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I'll be the devil's advocate and I actually agree with many of Kriege's points.

I'll get some stuff out of the way first. I'm Chinese (Hong Kong) and don't appreciate hearing one of the "Asian Tigers" to be referred to as a third-world country - and such terminology is definitely outdated, and I'm sure Political Science PhDs will have a field day mocking this term. Taiwan is developed and industrialized by now, and I have quite a few close Taiwanese friends. I think culturally Taiwanese filmmakers are still learning to refine their artistic expression - culturally, they are developing, I'll concede that. There isn't a great tradition of excellent filmmaking compared to Italy, for example, from which Taiwanese (or any other country with "developing" cinema) can draw from. Edward Yang films were actually box office poison in Taiwan; Taiwanese audiences couldn't relate to his films, leading to Yang's bitterness towards his own country.

This is something I really agree with Kriege, and I think it's an awfully important point that will influence of the quality of cinema. I do agree that the arthouse intelligentsia crowds espouse a bourgeois, patronizing embrace of auteur wannabe films from countries they consider exotic or are in the beginning stages of filmmaking. There is a tendency to overlook flaws of a work because of sentimentality - "Poor third-world movies trying to make a socio-political statement." Therefore, some of these films are considered great because of guilt-ridden bourgeois attitudes that apologize for bad films simply because they are from countries that are perceived to suffer from poverty, wars, upheavals of development, lack of education, which leads to a lack of artistic sophistication. Some critics don't concede that a work is lame out of fear of being branded as unsympathetic towards the plight of the less unfortunate. In actuality they are covering up their bourgeois guilt by praising a weak work and hence perpetuating bad standards of filmmaking!

Edward Yang's intention behind the film was wonderful and ambitious. He aimed to make an epic of Taiwanese history through the allegory of conflicted youths, an admirable and worthy attempt but IMO a failure as a film itself nonetheless. The desire to express very complex ideas, history, insight, etc. is a wonderful thing to have as a filmmaker, but intention does not equate good filmmaking.

There are not too many directors who have successfully dramatized their epic visions through cinema and still make their films an engrossing experience. Excellent epics are extremely hard to make because of their ambitious intentions, which require the exceptional marriage of technical and artistic skills. I think Tarkovsky, Kubrick, and Lean have mastered the epic - but how? I really wish I knew but I do have some ideas, as this is something I've pondered for many years. There are films which have successfully expressed their philosophical messages, but they failed to engage and entertain an audience. Then there are those films that fail to convey their intentions successfully (due to a lack of aesthetic mastery, taste, vision, use of the cinematic language, etc) and also fail to entertain the audience. Unfortunately, I think A Brighter Summer Day is the latter.

To make an enjoyable film requires an understanding of cinematic language. Leone, for example, is an excellent director who understands cinematic language and knew how to heighten dramatic events with his mastery of the camera; his screenwriter Vicenzoni claims that Leone's films (the Italian Westerns mostly) have been attributed depth by critics when there was none; such substance was assumed by critics only because Leone's filmmaking skills were so outstanding that they led critics to think his films had substance. I agree with this insight - Leone was no philosopher and didn't have a terribly sophisticated message in his many of his films. But he sure was a director who understood rhythm, pacing, composition, drama, tension, suspense, and he knew how to weave the elements of filmmaking (editing, astonishing cinematography, soundtrack, etc). In short, he knew how to tell a story well by showing and emphasizing what is significant.

I have to say this: Edward Yang (sorry, Edward, RIP) has competent filmmaking techniques but doesn't have the sense on how to touch an audience. Perhaps it's his personality. His style is a cold, fatalistic detachment conveyed by excruciating static long takes, almost a reluctance to tell a story - which is the point of cinema IMO. His messages are not effectively expressed and thus fail to reach an audience. For example, his style of rhythm, pacing, and innovative cinematography (lack of interesting multiple angles to be precise) is painful. The only way to really reach out to an audience is to captivate them by the use of suspense and giving enough effective visuals to make an audience care about what and who they are watching.

Edward Yang just doesn't seem to care about telling stories in an engaging manner. He forcefeeds the audience his views with questionable cinematic techniques without even trying to convince an audience by at least being a bit more entertaining and watchable. For example, I've seen Lawrence of Arabia and The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly countless times, and I still never get tired of them. To me this is the essence of legendary filmmaking - to be able to watch them over and over again and still experience something different every time. When I say Edward Yang films should be more entertaining, I don't mean that he should have resorted to infantile Hollywood elements (explosions, saccharine happy endings, lush production values, etc). I do mean that if he wanted to convey suffering, his view of life, political statements, or anything, he would have had to evoke the audience's emotions and curiosity. Lean and Leone, for example, have done so through breathtaking cinematography, a new way at looking the familiar. Yang makes the familiar feel boring.

Edward Yang has only managed to tell his Director of Photography to use pedestrian compositions to tell a story and to tell it without dramatic emphasis and emotional impact. There is almost a contempt towards the audience, as though they should accept his vision while being bored to death. In the movie there are so many potentially dramatic and emotionally evocative scenes that are shown through wide or full shots while they camera remains static. We don't get to see faces. We hear voices but we don't hear their tone. We see objects but we don't see the human attachment. We see people interacting with each other but from a detached angle - "across the street through a telescope" (sorry, geeky Mystery Science Theater 3000 reference here). Scenes of violence are given no emphasis. Some may applaud Yang for treating deaths as ordinary scenes with no fanfare and the usual wailing. If violent scenes are presented so ordinarily, then why do they affect the plot and the meaning of the film so much? In Taipei Story this approach towards death at first impressed me, but after seeing this again, it is just fatalism in uncaring universe that makes the audience grow numb instead of giving them a cathartic experience. Some may argue this is a breakthrough style which forces the audience to imagine what is going on. Tell me, how can the audience care to imagine anything when the director doesn't convince them to care in the first place?

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A Touch of Zen is amongst the greatest films ever created (easily top 5 all time, probably #1 along with Seven Samurai, 8 1/2 and Metropolis). Any pitiful, idiosyncratic subjectivity does nothing to undermine the supremacy of its holistic artistry (action, visual bravura, narrative, philosophy, etc all have their distinct purposes to be).

A Brighter Summer Day is a minor masterpiece but still great.

There are almost no justifiable reasons to compare these two very different films (with the only overlap being that they were made in Taiwan). The end.

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I've never seen A Touch of Zen, but I'm certainly interested in checking it out.

On the other hand, since the last few posts in this thread seem to lean towards bashing (or at least diminishing) ABSD, I'd like to counter and say that it's unequivocally one of MY favorite 5 or 10 movies, and that the first time I watched it was one of the greatest movie-going experiences of my life. I've watched it twice more since, and each viewing has left me more impressed than the last.

It's something that comes up a lot, but the level of narrative and thematic complexity in the film is truly "novelistic". Although it's already lengthy at 4 hours, it does what other movies would take many times longer to do in terms of the level of detailed characterization it achieves, along with the nuanced portrait of an entire society at a particular point in time that it paints, spanning multiple generations and classes. And while there are scenes and plot strands that seem extraneous while watching it for the first time, every little part is revealed to be irreducibly important once you've seen the movie a couple times and put everything together, whether it be for contributions to plot, thematic development, or characterization.

It's also an wonderfully striking film visually. The scarcely illminated night-time raid/fight scene and the scene where X'iao Sir and Ming are seen only in reflection in the veneer of a white door are, for me, two of the most gorgeous and memorable moments in cinema. And I could probably add ten other scenes that I find equally great. I'm rambling at this point, but suffice to say, I really love this movie.


This actually articulates most of the reasons I like it better than I did...

http://www.movingimagesource.us/articles/endless-summer-20090518

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Upon further review, A Brighter Summer Day has now become a serious, top tier film for me. I think the prominent obstacle before was the substandard quality of the version I saw (hopefully Criterion can rectify the shortcomings in presentation) as well as the sheer scope of Yang's vision (immense length and wide array of characters who viewers usually cannot fully absorb initially.) However, through time and patience comes understanding and appreciation. This film is not merely about Taiwan (though it is the definitive historical/cultural nexus along with City of Sadness) but about isolation, chaos and loss of identity at the hands of postmodern multiculturalism via American capitalism. This is the second best film of the 90s after Hou Hsiao Hsien's Flowers of Shanghai.

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Are you saying that you saw a better quality version? How?

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if I won the lottery I would make sure that this movie received an astounding blu-ray release

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I want it on 70mm please.

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Criterion have been promising a release of this film for a long time now, but it has been held up for several years, due to some legal loophole I believe.

There's currently an adequate version of the film on Youtube, in two segments of around two hours each. Its perfectly watchable for the most part although a handful of sequences have one or two hard to read subtitles.

This magnificent film deserves a proper release - Criterion's disc cannot come soon enough.

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