How Ironic
Now you can't get a job in Hollyweird unless you are a socialist/marxist. I guess the commies won after all.
shareStupid. Liberal doesn't equal Marxist. You know it stupid remarks like that that's the reason why the right isn't taken seriously in this nation.
shareI didn't say anything about "liberal". I implied that most of Hollyweird is made up of socialists and marxists. I stand by that.
shareNo it's not. They're liberals. Sean Penn and Tim Robbins are the close to being socialists. Everyone else are standard liberals. Liberals are just capitalists that believe in reforms.
Sometimes I think that Americans don't even know what socialism really is? They think it just means welfare supporter.
Well that's your opinion, and you may be in a position to have a more nuanced insight than me. From my perspective they insult capitalism, raise up socialism, and spew hate on the institutions that protect the very speech that they use to tear down their own country. They aren't going to give up their money but they will gladly help transform the political system so the poor working stiff pays all his money in taxes to pay for their "reforms".
shareYou have a very misinformed opinion. Most liberals believe in a progressive tax system where the rich will pay more than you to help fund these social services. That's it. They believe in trickle up economics where you help out the least fortunate to go into the workforce. They still believe in a market system and invest their money in one.
How do they raise up socialism? Socialism is a system where the workers own the means of production. They don't advocate that. They continue to advocate that the owners should own their own industry. That's capitalism.
Socialism does not mean take money from the rich to give to poor like so many right wingers believe. It is much more complex than that.
They spew "hate" on the corrupted aspects of our political system. What is wrong with that? Why do you right wingers hate it when people speak up against the State and big business interests? If it were up to you all opposition would be silenced. No one is ungrateful for the freedom here, they just don't want it to disappear. Why do you guys want 100% patriotism all day and all night long? Why does everything in the media have to be favorable to the US?
I can't remember the last time I saw a patriotic movie come out of Hollywood. What DO you call it when they take money from the rich and give it to the poor? I'm all for opposition when it's warranted, but they only oppose the right, never the left. Name me a movie in the last twenty years that is pro capitalist.
shareMaking movies about excesses in our society isn't necessarily anti-capitalist but it is anti-lassiez faire capitalism. Taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor is called a reform, it's not socialism.
Plus a lot of movies are pro-capitalist. Most of the rom coms of late have young urban professionals working lavish jobs affording nice apartments and cool cars. Their lives are the epitome of capitalist success. What more do you want? Confessions of a Shop a Holic, Devil Wears Prada, Ghosts of Girlfriends Past all have subtle messages that show a slice of life most Americans have never seen and paint it as if that is the model to achieve.
"To each according to his need, from each according to his ability". That is what taking from the rich and giving to poor really is. Reform? Sounds a lot like Marxism to me.
How about some movies exposing ACORN and maybe some close looks at Saul Alinsky and Chicago politics. Maybe a movie showing what a real piece of $hit Ayers and his wife are. Never happen in this Hollywood. All they do is bash the right and our military and the very things that allow them the freedom of speech to put out their left wing anti-American crap.
Because most of the time the right wing is always enforcing the laws to an extreme end rather than upholding them. Ever heard of Co-intel pro? Ever read what the CIA did in other countries? This is more real than ACORN. What's wrong with Saul Alinsky?
That phrase you quoted is Marx. But it Marx relates to the taking over of factories from the owners, not through some progressive tax scheme. It means taking over the means of production away from the notion of profit and established it for use.
Plus, what does that have to do with liberals. They don't adhere to Marx. They are capitalists who believe in mild reforms. They would never change the relation between owner and worker. They love being owners of industries and companies themselves.
Plus, the military and whatever else you mentioned does not uphold our right to freedom of speech. That is an error. The left in this nation along with civil libertarians have been the ones upholding free speech since the early twentieth century. The right wanted and still wants to silence the opposition and if not, then to marginalize it. They want no critique of the country during a time of war because it would give aid to the enemy, no critique of its economic system because it would be "communist", no critique of history because the Founding Fathers and their documents are sacred. Everything is treason to you people! When in reality, every single gain the workers and average people won has been in opposition to the status quo! In opposition to the Founding Fathers initial framework. Thank GOD we have a left in this country!
Ok....Merry Christmas.
shareMerry Christmas!
shareOne thing I have to mention: When you say the right is trying to censor the left or marginalize them, don't you remember Senator Reid trying to censor Rush Limbaugh, or Nancy Pelosi trying to reestablish the "Fairness in Broadcasting" act? It seems to me the left is all for free speech unless it is something they disagree with. "Political Correctness" is nothing more than the lefts attempt to silence the right.
shareWhat is your view of left? To me liberals aren't really leftist like you say? Do you not realize that the Democrats are largely a centrist party? In most nations around the world, the Democrat would be center-right in views? Here in the States their views are considered left, but only left to the Right Wing Republicans, who are very far right.
Point is that the Fairness Doctrine is just a bad attempt to open up airways for more people of differing views. It isn't to silence the right wing but to advocate for more voices other than the right wing. That's the debate that should be going on. More public stations and support for community radio. Corporate radio is heavily right wing but not because it's is initially popular, it became popular after the right bought out so many stations and disseminated their propaganda. It marginalized views. Why does Fox have so little liberals and the liberal they do have are extremely centrist? Are they limiting the voices of progressives?
And I come back at you: I haven't heard anyone from Fox prostrating themselves in front of politicians like the main stream media. "Thrills up their legs" when Obama speaks, etc. Fox is the only media outlet that isn't in the tank for the current administration and their agenda.
I think most liberals in this country are left. Hence socialized medicine structured on the European model. If the liberals in this country are centrists then they got boondoggled by this administration and their left agenda. This is a leftest administration. The government owns 60% of General Motors. Their labor policies favor unions. They want to shut down our industry with draconian energy regulation and chase more manufacturing off-shore. This will make more people dependent on government largess which then guarantees the left will stay in power.
It's cynical and underhanded and I hope the revolution comes soon.
I wish this administration were socialist. You guys keep getting my hopes up and then I get let down by the administration. It's not leftist. There is no universal health care, no end to the wars, no free eduction all the way to college, no repeal of the welfare reform, no regulation to the banks. The banks were not nationalized, they were given money to restructure themselves, we have no say in their profits and they don't go to us. The labor policies do not favor unions outright. This is a very centrist administration.
Believe me, if he was a socialist I would support him to the core. He is not and no socialist is nuts about Obama.
That's not because he's not trying. I think he is aware that most Americans won't put up with the far left agenda. He'll reap the benefits at the next election.
No end to wars? My God what a dreamer. Free education? You get what you pay for. Repeal of welfare reform? The collectivists dream, (from each, to each).
Socialism doesn't work unless it's authoritarian. Why do you hate freedom so much?
"That's not because he's not trying. I think he is aware that most Americans won't put up with the far left agenda. He'll reap the benefits at the next election. "
He isn't trying. He started off with the premise that single payer was off the table. The elimination of the public option was the compromise and now even that is gone. And his party holds the majority! We actually ended up with a worse bill because now I am going to be forced to buy private insurance that I cannot afford.
But I am willing to trade off my end of the deal in favor of a whole new class of people at 55 to be on Medicare.
I didn't mean an end to all wars, just the ones in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Free education is underfunded and not all that centralized as you think. It relies on the funding of each district. Poorer distracts have poorer schools.
Yes, repeal of welfare reform. You should be glad that there are safety nets in this nation to help you out if something were to go awry. Aren't you happy about that?
Socialism is only 'authoritarian' to those at the top who represent the few.
"That's not because he's not trying. I think he is aware that most Americans won't put up with the far left agenda. He'll reap the benefits at the next election. "
He isn't trying. He started off with the premise that single payer was off the table. The elimination of the public option was the compromise and now even that is gone. And his party holds the majority! We actually ended up with a worse bill because now I am going to be forced to buy private insurance that I cannot afford.
But I am willing to trade off my end of the deal in favor of a whole new class of people at 55 to be on Medicare.
I didn't mean an end to all wars, just the ones in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Free education is underfunded and not all that centralized as you think. It relies on the funding of each district. Poorer distracts have poorer schools.
Yes, repeal of welfare reform. You should be glad that there are safety nets in this nation to help you out if something were to go awry. Aren't you happy about that?
Socialism is only 'authoritarian' to those at the top who represent the few.
Oh and you people really need to stop using Orwell ( I know you didn't but you guys always misrepresent Animal Farm and 1984) as a reference. He was a Democratic Socialist!