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Does Perry ever realize Jack killed his wife?!


Does Perry ever realize who Jack is and that he inadvertantly led to his wife's murder?!?! Or is Perry just too far-gone to realize or want to understand this horrific revelation? Would he even blame Jack or just not care at this point if he did know?

Is there any evidence in the film to support this?

Regardless, excellent film. Jeff Bridges is a superior acting force of God.

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You know, I have often wondered that myself....
I think that Perry has repressed the memory of his wife being killed in the first place, so he couldn't have realised who Jack was. Plus, didn't Perry basically lose his mind immediately upon seeing his wife shot? He goes into a coma-like state for a while, and then wakes up with another identity. I think that would mean he never really heard about the details surrounding his wife's death.

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I thought that it was strongly implied that Parry came to an understanding/reconciliation of what had happened, during the scene where he wakes up after Jack brings him the Holy Grail. I can't remember exactly what he says there, but I think it was meant to imply that he had made peace with Jack and with what had happened. It's a very moving scene, as is the entire movie because it makes you realize just how complex tragedies are and how they affect people lives. I think the fact that he DOES find out makes it all the more moving.

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I just showed this film to my fiancee who had never seen the film & I hadn't seen it in years. I think Perry does know. When he rescues Jack there is a close up on Perry and his expression changes when he sees who he has just rescued. To me it looked like he recognized Jack. Also when Perry tells the story of the "Fisher King" he could have been talking about either himself or Jack. I think Perry knows more than he lets on.

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I just got done watching it and Parry says something to the effect of: "I had a dream where I was married to a beautiful woman, Jack. And you were there. Is it okay if I miss her now Jack? Thank you." I think this implies that he knew Jack was the radio announcer that caused the shooter to go off the deep end.

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I think exactly the same thing. This scene is here to emphasis the fact, that Parry knowswho Jack is. But even before, when Jack wake up after the night the met, Parry already know is name. Either the fairies told him or he as some recollection of is live before 'Parry'

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Yes he did. In the beginning (I think when Jeff Bridges visits hem in his cellar) Williams says "I know" (who you are). And the only way Bridges can help him (pay his due) is by getting Williams that Holy Grail (then he will be in peace; forgive and be able to move on).

So I agre with wonderboy779 who said wonderfully "I thought that it was strongly implied that Parry came to an understanding/reconciliation of what had happened, during the scene where he wakes up after Jack brings him the Holy Grail. I can't remember exactly what he says there, but I think it was meant to imply that he had made peace with Jack and with what had happened. It's a very moving scene, as is the entire movie because it makes you realize just how complex tragedies are and how they affect people lives. I think the fact that he DOES find out makes it all the more moving."

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Just watched it again last night.

I agree with Sabata2 - I noticed the look on Parry's face when he first sees Jack close up after fighting off the hoodlums.

I believe he knows who Jack is and what significance he holds right from that point.

Jack finds out early on in the film about the connection between himself and Parry, but when in the film does Parry realise that Jack knows ?

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The look on Perry's face when he sees who Jack is clearly shows he knows who he really is.

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This is interesting - I'll have to watch that part again now to see whether I can see this look on his face. I'm not saying this theory is wrong, but if Parry's memories of his past life are completely repressed, then although he might recognize Jack, and might even feel vaguely that he did something wrong, he certainly wouldn't have full recall of the events - because we see that happen later, and it destroys him. So I think that even if he recognizes Jack, it's only on a vague level.

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Yes,x3199, you are right, I believe.
No chance he remembers all, he doesn't even remember who himself is. There's only a vague realization of something unknown.

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When he first sees jack, his face changes, because he thinks he is THE ONE. The reason why Perry thinks Jack is the One is beacuse of the tragedy I think, so back in his mind he knows who Jack is, but he can't deal with it. Just like his wife's head exploding in front of his face, hence the Red Knight. That red Chinese silk was not for decoration, you know.

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I'm with Kubrickgilliam, I think he gives him "the look" because he thinks Jack is the one, some part of him knows that Jack is the only one who can bring him his life, aka The Holy Grail, but if he realized the reason that he knew him and connected it to his past life he would have seen the Red Knight and ran for his life.

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You know, i've never seen this movie. I do know that Jack Killed Perry's wife now. Spoilers suck ass. goddamn, it's not hard...just say..."spoiler alert" or anything..

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Actually Jack didn't kill Perray's wife, but how about you try watching the movie to see what's going on before you blast people for not putting spoiler alert. You still have no idea what happened in the movie. I hate to tell you this, but there's nothing to spoil in this movie, it's about the journey not the end, or the beginning. If all you had seen was the first 15 minutes of the movie you'd have known what we were talking about, that's not even really a spoiler. You can't spoil something that happened less than halfway through a movie.

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I have no idea what the *beep* you're talking about there. I'm sorry, but if something starts off the plot, how can you spoil that. What starts off the plot to The Fisher King is Perry's wife's death caused by Jack's heckling a guy. Saying that's a spoiler is like saying the Comedian dies in Watchmen is a spoiler, or that Heigl's character in Knocked Up gets pregnant is a spoiler. If it sets off the plot, and someone tells you, they're not spoiling the movie.

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The Comedian dies in the Watchmen?! Heigl gets pregnant in Knocked Up?! Jesus Christ! Spoiler Alert!!! Spoiler Alert!!! I can't believe this. My life has been flipped upside down in an instant.

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Actually the point of the movie, which is also the story of The Fisher King story told by Perry in the movie, is that sometimes you need someone you'd consider a simpleton to teach you to have joy, to show you the real meaning of life. It had nothing to do with forgiveness, or whether Jack did or did not kill Perry's wife. Jack had lost joy in life, so it took Perry, a man he would have considered lower than him, to show him how to live again.

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Completely agree. That theme is cyclical throughout entire movie:

Jack was a simpleton who preached "simpleton-ism" on the radio - thus, he is The One. He indirectly helps Sagan eschew vanity and yuppiedom.

Parry is a simpleton to Jack who helps Jack get his life back.

Jack helps parry again, to regain his life.

Jack helps Michael Jeter character to hospital.

Jeter character helps Parry get Lydia to go to vid store.

Lydia helps parry in hospital.

Napolitana helps Jack realize he's capable of love.

Jack helps billionaire (real red knight) thwart his own suicide attempt.

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I dont think the question is actally that relevant. Revisting one's past and searching to blame someone for what has happened only causes more grief and dispair. I think that Parry has gained a great friend and true love. Looking forward... four people gained depth and meaning to life- as Parry had already found it.

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Do watch it because it is clear that Parry knows who Jack is--after all, Jack was a rich, loud, well-known DJ, probably been in the paper or news or entertainment magazines. Even with Parry freaking out over his wife's horrible death, I think it very likely that he picked up something on the news or from people talking to him or from the doctor trying to get through to him, on WHY and WHAT happened that terrible night and stored that away...when he saw Jack, his face changed: He KNEW!

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He knows, he calls Jack by the name right after he rescues him from those hoodlums.

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@NiceCupOfTea "...but when in the film does Parry realise that Jack knows ?"

That is a good question! I think the point is that Parry is moving a lightspeed and basically finds it hilarious how slow Jack is to catch up with everything.

Such a beautiful, beautiful movie. My girlfriend just showed this to me last night for the first time when I was tripping balls (-can you imagine? Terry Gilliam when you're HIGH) and it moved me in that special way deep down inside, especially in light of Robin William's recent passing on, revolving around a lot of spookily-similar content. I really am gonna miss that guy. The scene when he actually tells the story of the Fisher King... absolute freakin' masterpiece.

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thinking about it... didn't parry go catatonic almost immediately after his wife was killed? i don't know that anyone had a chance to tell him what happened, with him being delusional and all, and i don't think he would have picked up a newspaper to read about it either.

him finding jack could have just been kismet.

how he knew jack's name, tho, is a puzzler...

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In the movie, they mention that he went into a catatonic state and only woke up a year later and he wasn't Sagan anymore, he was Parry. Meaning, he woke up a completely different person, as if he reborn. He doesn't remember his former life, only in bits and pieces, because when Jack mentions to him he was a hunter teacher, robin williams went into a frenzy, because its like that image of being a teacher is familiar but he doesn't exactly remember being that person and living that kind of life. When he leaves Lydia's apartment, he is reminded of his wife, but only in fragments, like a half-remembered dream or something. He doesn't know who Sagan is, or who his wife was, or his former life. He is now parry. He always will be Parry from now on.

I actually went to Hunter College. It was funny hearing that name again throughout the movie. Very, very New York kind of movie by the way... I liked that about the film.

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Thanks for the spoiler in the title you cock-grabber.

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Well I don't want to spoil your fun Robertgull - there is nudity in the park but no cock-grabbing. Dogs like it.

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I dont think he was consciously aware, no, and theres really no evidence to support that he was. I do believe that he knew in his subconscious (the whole deal about the fat angels telling him he was the "one")

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Exactly. WTF ? Was just going to watch this at the advice of a friend, who by the way, didn't blow the plot for me, but I'm going to skip it now for today and hopefully after shutting down this page, will forget what I had saw/read.
"Does Perry ever realize" would have been fine and would have attracted others to your question all the same. Its obviously too late for you, but, if I were you, I would edit or delete the question so as not to ruin it for any others.
Just a hint ...

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Yes, definitely....when Parry first rescues Jack from the thugs you see a look of recognition on his face. He obviously realises it's Jack. Also, when Jack finally gets to introduce himself as "Jack", Parry replies "I know".

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