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The response after returning from the war


I feel incredibly stupid asking this but WHY did people respond badly to Eddie when he came back from the war?

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I'm not very versed on US history, but I think it was a v. different country after the war ended - I think it was the first time people didn't really support their country in something of the kind, they just saw it as vicious and I think that feeling passed on onto the soldiers, etc.

Also, considering they lost, I guess people would either be pissed or feel uncomfortable around the military folk that were there.

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Many people, especially younger people, were very against the war. Felt that we had no business in Vietnam.

There hearts where in the right the place, but they tended to forget that soldiers where caught up in something that the really had no choice in. That the soldiers themselves where caught up in something that the did not ask for.

Many times anti-(Vietnam)war protesters misdirected that anger at the war onto the soldiers themselves. The hippies and protesters really did have a point (it was a horrible war and many still question it), however, they sometimes took there disdain out on the wrong people.

People who needed to be hugged and comforted and "healed".. were spat on instead.

Ironic considering folk singers and hippies were all about love and peace.

Also keep in mind, this was before things like "post traumatic stress" etc, etc, was really known by the general populous. People had no idea the HELL those young men went through.

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sjynyc--You wrote "People who needed to be hugged and comforted and "healed".. were spat on instead."

Your point that the soldiers, who needed welcoming and care, got disrespect from some, due to those peoples' objection to the war, is valid, although probably most of the people objecting to the USA invasion of Vietnam understood that the soldiers were not the cause, didn't have the power, and were being exploited by the warmongers. (I'm speaking generally; of course there were US soldiers who committed atrocities, and there was less sympathy for them, though still awareness of the pressure for soldiers to obey orders, even really lousy ones.) In any case, the trope of returning soldiers being spat on by people was largely a myth, that grew from the popularity of the RAMBO movies, and took on a life of its own. That was not the form of expressing their disapproval of the conflict that most people used.





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That war was a watershed in American history. In WWII the average age of soldiers was 26. In Viet Nam it was 19. Many were draftees who didn't have the money to hide in college or graduate school. In WWII you came home to parades, bands, the GI Bill, political office. etc.

In Viet Nam you were flown over on airlines and sent into a meat grinder for one year. You could be fighting one day and within 48 hours standing on a street corner by yourself in the US. Here was no one to meet you except maybe your family. People didn't want to hear what you had been through either. Older veterans at the VFW and American Legion made remarks like "We won our war." "You guys will dilute our benefits at the VA"

The units lack cohesiveness with men coming and going constantly. Replacements were not always welcomed. Veterans had lost fiends and didn't want to get close in case you were killed too. Also your inexperience might get them killed.

Many of these young men didn't trust their officers either. They felt the officers were there for a year and wanted to build a reputation to enhance their military careers at the expense of the enlisted men. This led to incidents of fragging. A hand grenade might be rolled into your tent at night.

The US has not "won" a war since WWII. Korea was called a "police action" and is the longest truce in history. Invasions of Panama and Grenada went badly against weak countries. Vietnam produced 58,000 dead men and a quarter of a million crippled. I could go on but the upshot is this was politics and our soldiers fought with one hand tied behind their backs. There was no real effort to win. The enemy was allowed safe sanctuaries to mass for attacks against Americans then retreat back in their safe holds.

We now have an all volunteers army which allows most Americans to ignore what happens since there is no danger of a draft. Their idea of support is to buy a bumper sticker. The volunteer army is too small and has to be deployed repeatedly using national guard troops to fill the gaps. As a result their marriages fail and a lot commit suicide.






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very true.

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not only are people correct that eddie returned amidst the height of anti-war protests across the country, but he stumbled right into the heart of it, geographically. as is obvious from the costumes of passing pedestrians, SF was chock full of hippies at the time. even if most of them would more likely have been tripping on kool aid acid at a grateful dead show than protesting during the day, they certainly sympathized with the peace movement.

sadly, no trace of this remains in SF today, not even in the haight.

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