Why was it banned in China?


I haven't been able to find this movie yet but I read the description and was wondering why it was banned in China. It certainly doesn't sound like it has anything that China would ban it.

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um....Chinese people have known about the concubine system for decades, centuries. I don't think Chinese people go around hiding their concubines or the knowledge that concubines exist and the fact that sometimes, some concubines aren't treated like humans. And especially given the costuming present in the movie, I don't think anyone considers it a modern China, one representing the 90s.

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Can you people just give it a break? This movie was NOT BANNED in China. I saw it in theater in China (and later on the movie channel on TV).

Neither was "Farewell My Concubine". I was so shocked to hear people saying that "Farewell My Concubine" was banned in China when I came to the states. I watched it in theaters 3 times and it was quite a hit.

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Actually both those films (and many others) were banned up until the late 90s, you probably saw it after the ban was lifted. One common interpretation for this is that Raise the Red Lantern was an allegory criticising abuses that occurred during the Cultural Revolution.

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Ah, so it was because the lanterns are red (i.e. the color of the chinese flag)?

I found this same reason on the Wikipedia page for the movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raise_the_Red_Lantern), but it's so obviously stupid... one REALLY good thing the Chinese revolution did was to raise the status of women and, as far as I know, outlaw concubines. (Maybe a Chinese person could clarify that?) So in my view it's strong propaganda in favor of a communist society, as opposed to the old "feudal" class system.

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The film was banned in China. We just discussed this topic in my Chinese film class for my Chinese BA. This does not mean the film was not readily available and in semi-wide release.

Rather, it was "publicly denounced," this is another form of banning where the director (Zhang Yimou) was not allowed to receive any in-country financing from film companies for several years. He, along with Chen Kaige and other Chinese fifth-generation directors were periodically given such a banning whenever their films reflected negatively on the government or people of China.

In this case, Zhang Yimou was ridiculed for the film's international debut which "Propagated a viewpoint that Chinese were polygamists." He was first attacked in the media, and later by communist officials.

To my knowledge, the color-red and such lantern symbolism was not an issue. Red is a celebratory color in Chinese culture with huge significance, and was around much longer than Communists. If you want to see Yimou criticize Communism through the color red, watch the birthing scene in "To Live."

This wasn't the only banning Yimou received, he received a banning for Yellow Earth and later To Live.

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(This wasn't the only banning Yimou received, he received a banning for Yellow Earth and later To Live.)


Gong Li also received a couple bans. Long before Tang Wei and Lust caution

Things have sure changed between ZY and the Chinese government, He is no longer a rebel, now he is kiss ass.

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Banning and being publicly denounced are two different things. You may be castigated for things, it doesn't mean your movie is banned or that the filmmaker is banned from making more films. I expect you are from Taipei - so can you give a good evidence to back up your claims? I've never known anyone banned for Yellow Earth.

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I also saw this film in the theatres when I was living in China during its initial release, so I have no idea what the "ban" is all about. But you can get anything in China, so it doesn't matter if it's banned. But I do agree with auntbee about how the contents would raise some questions with the Chinese government.

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You could read the Master as the Chinese Communist Party, that's why it was banned.

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The metaphorical connotations would be the only reason to ban it since, if anything, it shows how archaic the pre-Communist system was and that it deserved to be replaced. On the other hand, I could see why Farwell My Concubine or To Live would be banned since those are direct criticisms of the Communist regime.

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Interesting. Now that you mention it - maybe the film is equating Communism with the old system - saying it is just as oppressive.

I definately see criticisms of Communism: supression of the arts (opera singer, burning her flute), rendering education useless, cutting ties with heritage, bribery and corruption etc.

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This movie is NOT banned in China. I just came back from China. I bought the DVD when I was there.

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I bet that most or all you are Americans with only western culture implemented in you. If you look at China and what the goverment (now) is doing to the people (even America) you can understand why a film like this would be banned. What is the whole point in this movie people ask probably? Well it is to try to "awaken the Conscienceness" of the Chinese people that they are not "Essence prior to Existence" but "Existence prior to Essence". "What the hell does that mean?" Well it means that "Essence prior to Existence" is you are already determined what you are or in other words Determinism, on the other hand "Existence prior to Essence" means you determine what you want to be. Songlian was forced to marry this "faceless" husband that she knew absolutely nothing about him. She already gave up in trying to change and be a College student. The next person this movie concentrates on is Songlians servant, Yaner. Who cares right? Shes only a servant; well thats the whole point. What does Yaner do throughout the whole movie? Well she defies, tries to transform from being a slave that was sold to the family into a mistress of the family and say "Ha, I finally did it, Im no longer a lowly servant but a Mistress". So basically this movie is about "Awaking the Conscienceness" of the Chinese peoples and that is why it is(was?) banned in China. When an intelligent person arrives they shoot him so the "Masses" cant awaken to their full potentials. As with Gandhi, Kennedy, Sao Kya Seng, etc. Government kills them off. Intelligent people are too dangerous.

Also heres a little something for us Americans, have you ever thought why we suck in education so much? Or have you thought about why our Culture is only "ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME"? Or how about why almost every single item is not made in America?
Or have you ever asked yourselves what type of jobs are being offered in America(when they say more jobs)? Do you want to serve people all your life?

There are a lot more questions but instead take a course specialized in Eastern Culture to find out why to these questions exactly.
Thank goodness Hawaii has on of THE best teachers specializing in Eastern Cultures in the world. If it wasnt for him I wouldnt even have begun to understand what this movie was trying to say.
Now that you people who read this learned something good job! Now go take an Eastern Culture course.

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Asking questions about the film's banning has nothing to do with them being ignorant Americans - that was totally irrelevant... It is also possible to simply offer your analysis of the film's allegory without the aggression.

People these days...

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I certainly didn't learn how to use good English from this post... and it's interesting that this teacher you credit belongs to Hawaii, but I don't think anything you may have learned from this person should differ greatly from what teachers/professors in any other part of the country have to offer. I agree with the sentiments about the film, but the sentiments about America/Americans in general are rather narrow. If you only know the kind of people who ascribe to the consumerist me-culture that infects the entire industrialized world, then I suppose it makes sense you would be a little hostile. It's your superior tone that's out of place. Now go take an English composition course.

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I am a Chinese and this movie was not banned in China. Preiod.

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The concept of banning a movie in China is ridiculous so debate about it is equally ridiculous. Even if the Chinese government does ban a movie from theatrical release it has little effect as most Chinese watch their movies on the internet or on pirated foreign DVDs, the sale of which the government seems to have little or no control over. As as a result even a 10 year old can walk into a DVD store anywhere in China and buy 'banned' movies or even movies that would be difficult to purchase in a store in the US.

The point is most Chinese don't go looking for the kind of movies the government would ban because creativity and imagination is so stiffled in the education system and the internet is so heavily censored that most Chinese wouldn't even know that such movies exist or in fact what to do with the information if they actually came across it.

Just my opinion.

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I agree wholeheartedly. The Chinese population currently is certainly more diverse than any western country I know (especially those of the McDonald persuasion). Only nobody can predict how it will be 10 years from now. Will they have decimated each other with their new cars ;-) ?
It is a fact that you can find any movie that ever was released on DVD here on some street corner, in almost professional wrap. Just don't look too closely at the sleeve text ;-). The problem is "finding" the one you want. Most of what you see is the "Die hard" or Kung Fu garbage type. But once in a while there is a treasures by Truffaut or Fassbinder, out of print anywhere else.

It may be more interesting how long a movie was "officially" shown. Of course it doesn't really matter, considering that a theater ticket is much more expensive than your average pirated copy (Shenzhen: 40RMB theatre vs. 4 RMB on the street). The "Red Lantern" never had a problem, I just recently saw it on local TV. Others ("To Live", "Farewell...") according to my wife were shown only shortly and then never again. But educated people know them. A few are almost unknown, such as "Ju Dou", probably because it has infidelity as its topic. But what is the difference to "cleaned" US DVDs? They even erased the naked boobs in "The Eiger Sanction" for Pete's sake ...

A while ago we saw Antonioni's "Cina" in Europe and my Chinese wife was thrilled, because that movie had been denounced in the 70s as a lie and banned until today. Antonioni is the Devil. However everybody of that generation knows it by name! She and anybody who have seen it, do not understand why it is still banned. For a person from Beijing it is almost nostalgic to see donkey carts on Tian An Men Square. Maybe because allowing it would prove the party of the 70s liars?

-gh, another movie fan

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Rob 78, you are a moron. I am an Englishman, and I am a teacher in a school in China, and creativity and imagination is not stifled. My students have a wild imagination, and are very quick and witty. They are more creative than most of the children in English schools
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I am very surprised that a person who teaches young children everyday, would stoop so low as to insult another person on the board this way. I surely hope you don't speak to your students the same way when they do/don't make mistakes.
And how do you know that they are more creative than students in America or any other country, for that matter? Why do you need to insult our country as a whole? This person who you are talking about is most likely a little naive on the subject or this was what they saw or heard, so you being a teacher, you should have found a more mature way to explain to him what really happens in China instead of berating him and all of the other Americans, especially the young ones who can't defend themselves. Try a little tact and diplomacy. Please. It will get you a lot further, and earn you more respect.

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You have to wonder...someone who insults 300,000,000 people, most of whom they don't know...is he/she a troll? Well, I won't assume so.

So, what evidence is there that the Bush election was rigged? And who might have been behind it?

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rob_rr_78 on Thu Nov 16 2006 07:59:53 wrote two paragraphs. The second pretty well contradicted the first. It looks a lot like Communist Party spin. The first paragraph tries to deny that banning exists, or if it did, it would be ineffective. The second says that the good citizens of China wouldn't be interested in stuff that was banned anyway.

Interesting that there are no other posts from rob_rr_78. Could it be that this was the first and only attempt at spin doctoring?

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I think this is mostly Western propaganda to discredit Beijing. It was not banned, its release was delayed.

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I bet it wasn't put out to discredit Beijing. If it's just some rumor someone put out, then it is probably so people will think Zhang Yimou was an activist or something. Very popular in Indy Film circles.

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I must agree that the ban was rather ridiculous. Did everything get banned that wasn't a 100% praise hymn for China? Yes, apparently Chinese culture was less than fair to women in the past. Big Whoop. Name me one culture that wasn't (or isn't).

Likewise I could not understand the ban for Yimou Zhang's To Live. It wasn't really that anti-communist. If the government can't take that much criticism, GEEZ, grow up.

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This movie remains controversial in China nevertheless. My Chinese friends said many Chinese felt defensive about it, thinking it was an insult to China and showed China to the outside world in a bad way.

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This film was NEVER banned in China, I watched it at the theatre in Shanghai back in 91, not to mention the film was heavily marketed in the media as well. My parents were also hyped about this film because it was a Zhang Yimou Gong Li collabo.

Who ever said this film was banned in China must be retarted.

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