Did we watch the same film?



I understand everyone has different tastes but I'm truly struggling to see how anyone could enjoy this movie in even the least way.

The writing is self-indulgent, pseudo-intellectual tripe, the acting is amateurish at best, the production values are grossly substandard, the cinematography looks like it was shot by kids with camcorders, the plot is haphazardly strewn through out the scenes, the wardrobe looks like it's whatever the actor's had in their closets, the pacing would bore a snail, and the art direction appears to be of the romper-room variety.

The only entertaining thing is the ridiculously bad "tech" of the film; but I'm laughing at it not with it. It's also no where near enough to keep this terrible movie interesting.

I don't care who made it, I don't care how much "love" they put into it... this is easily one of the worst films ever made. This film is worse even than Pluto Nash.

I can only imagine the people that enjoyed this are in some kind of cult that does not allow dissension. That they are locked away for days on end and are only allowed out if they agree that they love this horrible, horrible film. I wonder how else anyone could say anything positive about this total waste of time.

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...this is easily one of the worst films ever made.


With such hyperbole and no details from the film in your post, I can only surmise that you're just trolling... Did you really expect someone to engage you with this ill-conceived post?



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You know there are free dictionaries on the Internet right? If I said, "This film is so bad it made my eyes bleed!" That would be hyperbole. Saying this is easily one of the worst films ever made is not hyperbole; it's a valuation statement. Your failure to see this as an actual assesment speaks to your inability to process ideas that conflict with your own.

I do love how you completely ignore all of my protestations as if I didn't say specifically what was bad about the film which then allows you to straw man me saying I didn't say exactly what I dislike about it.

If you want specific examples of the problems I'm sure I could provide a few but I'm doing it out of memory as I've returned this waste of time:

Pacing: The entire first 12 minutes of the film is probably one of the worst uses of time in the film. That entire section could have been whittled down to about 2 minutes. You can then go on to the rest of the film as an example.

Bad acting: The guy who's been shot's assistant. The woman that crashes the car, the one that bores me for the first 12 minutes of the movie. The cop. The "bad" guy. Oh, and EVERY ONE ELSE!

Bad writing: The dialog is wooden, pretty much all of it. The premises are unbelievable; people don't act or speak that way like the whole wreck scene. For self-indulgent we can go back to the first 12 minutes of the film where nothing happens. Pseudo-intellectual is the premise of the film and its execution.

Plot: Ernest Hemingway once said that every word in a story should add to that story. That every word placed upon the page should make the reader more involved. The story in this film is horribly lacking, this speaks to the self-indulgence, as there are scenes that just don't add to the plot. They don't set up anything and they are not foreshadowing of future events. They are just there because the director/writer liked them.

Art direction: This is what makes a film believable. Art direction makes the difference between something that looks like a set and something that looks like your home. For instance look at the sets in this film. They are flimsy and lack a "lived in" look; everything looks like the paint is still drying. Everything looks like it's just a layer on reality.

Like a BMW sticker pasted over a VW emblem. Like how they glue body parts on existing cars to make them look like they are from the future but you can still see the underlying lines of the car; you KNOW that's actually a Pontiac Fiero and not a nuclear powered space car.

Wardrobe: I would argue wardrobe should be under art direction's purview but rarely is.

For examples of bad wardrobe look at the cop searching for the "bad guy." His raincoat, or macintosh, looks like it was a gift given to him by his in-laws on a long distant birthday. He's kept it in the back of his closet for all this time because it's ill fitting but he couldn't bring himself to throw it away or give it to charity. When the wardrobe staff said they needed him to look like a "typical cop" he instantly thought of the old noir films and said to himself, "I'll look like Dick Tracy! Yeah! Totally tubular to the max!" You know, 'cause that's how they talked back then, when this film was made.

But thats just one example. Again all you have to do is look to ALL of the characters and none of their clothes fit them. I don't mean just physically but emotionally. They don't FEEL like they are the character's clothes.

Cinematography: The shots are very static, they lack vibrance and emotion. Worst of all the lighting makes the film look like it's shot on the set of a 1980's soap opera, but not in a good way.

It looks like someone read a book about how to block shots and followed it to the tee but didn't bother thinking beyond what they read or how to do anything different. It's lazy. It's all very "by the book." Lots of 2 shots and long, panoramic shots filmed too closely and without any interesting angles.

Production values: As would be expected this is a combination of many of the others. Overall the film as a very slapped together feel. The quality of the film, the quality of the shots, the quality of the wardrobe, the direction. All of it adds up to a poorly produced film.

You'll notice how I often say, "And then the rest of the film." This is not a cop out, this speaks to the entire quality of the film and is why I say it is easily one of the worst films ever made. You can make all the ad hominem attacks you want but that still doesn't speak to the quality of this abomination put down on cheap video tape; surely it couldn't have been produced on film but must have used 1980's video tape technology.

I would now say to you, what makes this film good? Give specific examples as you have demanded of me. If you wish to say your reasons are purely aesthetic then why would you demand me to produce examples myself? So, that avenue of escape from reality is cut off for you. Tell me how you think this film is good. Demonstrate to me in even the simplest of terms how this film should be treated with anything but the most aggressive disgust. Tell me how this film doesn't spit in the face of anyone that loves art, film making, REAL science-fiction, and intellectual discourse.

Tell me that.

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Oh, now I know why you're all butt-hurt and following me around on the other threads. Well done.....

let's see if I can sum up your position... Earnest Hemingway didn't write this and you didn't shoot it. The art direction part is hilarious as anyone that knows anything about the film knows it was shot on location all over the world.

Apparently you didn't understand the Sci-Fi in the story and didn't realize it was shot in the late 80s early 90s. A quick gaze at your (oh so incredibly deep) posting history reveals that your idea of REAL sci-fi begins and ends with "the war of the worlds". again, well done!....

If you want to see a film completely devoid of content that meets your discerning (art school fed) artistic tastes, may I suggest "Lost in Translation". That one seems right up your alley.

But man, if this is such a drekfest to you I can hardly wait to see what masterpiece you end up making. In any case, have another bong toke and Rant on McDuff!

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More ad hominems but no answers because you clearly lack the mental capacity to form a coherent thought. I'm guessing that's why you're so in love with this movie. It calms your when the voices in your head start screaming at you to clean the stains out of your underwear... again.

It also sounds a lot like you might be seriously repressed; what with your fascination with "butt-hurt." Your parents already hate you, why not just come out?

The fact that you are not only incapable defending your reasons for liking this movie but can't even write a clever come back speaks volumes to your intellect. You're just another wanna-be without any actual knowledge of film. You would be funny if you weren't so pitiful.

I hope you get the mental help you so desperately require.

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Oh yes, you so well defended your original post. I think you should congratulate yourself (oh wait...). Your aggro-angst would be funny if you had any life experience at all, but self-affirming teenagers on the internet are quite a dime a dozen these days. Good luck with that (and your 'actual knowledge of film', of course)!

This is by far my favorite Wenders film, if not for any other reason than the soundtrack alone! But there are of course many reasons, the sci-fi was well thought out (for the late 80s, early 90s predicting life at the turn of the century, but maybe you had to have been an adult back then to know that, I don't know), especially the directors cut had beautiful footage from all over the world (back then). The writing is superb (to anyone past puberty, probably). But whatever man, have fun in art school! The love story is complicated, yet not terribly violent (OK, there was one fist fight, but it was realistically bumbling and humorous). The story is told from a writer's perspective (apparently your production values are, albeit artificially, well honed, but you've obviously never written a script in your life, save maybe a 5 minute short; i.e. why don't you save the criticism skills for when you actually try to make a film or two)

(P.S. Nice application of the "hit and whine" fallacy: you ad hom then accuse the other of ad hom'ing when they respond in kind. well done! you do your generation a huge credit!)

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Check it out, a troll.

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<yawn> all mouth, zero yarbles, well done!

..of course, who could miss the underlying theme in the third part of this film where the protagonists overdose on their own dream imagery. Small details, huh...



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Dear Mom and Dad,

Having a great time at camp. We caught a troll and we're all laughing as it tries to be clever but just comes of as a total moron. It's almost like a person but dumber.

Hugs and kisses,
me

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This is possibly the funniest back and forth I've come across on imdb. Two trolls from opposing sides of an argument locked in heated battle. Entertaining! Congratulations!

But really. MiturBinesderti obviously has an emotional need to trash this film on the forums - whether it's based on reaction to his foe or something actually having to do with the film itself is beyond me - and a quick glance through his history shows the hypocrisy and hyperbole he alternately employs to get at an exceedingly simple point: he dislikes this film. Also he thinks anyone who disagrees is in some way a lesser human being.

Thus my simple advice to each of you: don't feed the troll.

Unless of course you enjoy it. (which you seem to!)

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But really. MiturBinesderti obviously has an emotional need to trash this film on the forums - whether it's based on reaction to his foe or something actually having to do with the film itself is beyond me - and a quick glance through his history shows the hypocrisy and hyperbole he alternately employs to get at an exceedingly simple point: he dislikes this film. Also he thinks anyone who disagrees is in some way a lesser human being.

Like most imdb trolls, MiturBinesderti shows the classic symptoms of an inferiority complex, labeling any film he doesn't comprehend as "pseudo-intellectual tripe" and becoming venomously angry at people who enjoy the film because, in his mind, these people are superior. In such cases I suggest heavy medication.

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Only if by heavy medication you mean sterilazation drugs.

Anyone who hates this film doesn't belong in our gene pool, I fear for the future of the human race....

My vote history: http://us.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=9354248

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I'm always fascinated when people transfer their own emotional issues on someone else.

Write an honest review of a movie and butt hurt apologists reply with, "You clearly have emotional problems because my wife doesn't love... uh... I mean... uh... stop showing how dumb I am! You suck!"

My simple advice to you, kept your ego in your pants cowboy.

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I agree with op.

Watching this film made me feel "WTF I JUST SAW" <-- and not in a good way...

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http://squandrous.com/post/43155755

“It’s not your job to right a wrong, just mark it FAIL and move along.”

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Well, aren't you special.

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No, we must not have seen the same film. You must have confused this with the last Transformers movie you camped out on the sidewalk for a week to see.

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