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Don't watch the shorter version...


In the shorter version you cannot observe the journey that artist and model (muse) take in creating beauty. The process that some artists go through to literally extract beauty from their model.

He mentions a sculptor who has done a few works which "aren't bad". This, I think, is done for two reasons, as a hope an optimism that they might create a few works which "aren't bad" and also to make the comparison between two dimensional art and sculpture, where it is often said that the artist simply "removes" the bits that do not belong to reveal the beauty that exists within. Soon after he makes a drawing, unlike others which have come before, a large expanse of black with blank areas that compose her form. It is a singular work, in that the others are more traditional line drawings. It resembles an imaging of a piece of marble or stone with the areas to be removed appearing as black areas of the paper. A brilliant visual metaphor linking his melancholy statements only moments before.

Never before have I see such a captivating representation of an artist in his declining years attempting to grasp the fire, the light that he so easily commanded before. He constantly cajoles his model into helping him capture that which eludes him. She doesn't understand and vacillates between confusion, irritation and amusement at what she seems to consider as overwrought fanaticism for his work. She is honored and interested, but is completely unready for the realities of modeling for this great man.

Her laissez faire attitude toward life and disillusionment draw her to this artist, but she resists him and finds it hard to comprehend someone who engages life, seizes it so differently from her own way. He accurately and deftly states that she must be broken down first before he can build her into something that can serve both his *and* her purposes. It is a fascinating contrast between one philosophy and another concerning the methodology of living one's life.

In the beginning she states, "A simple formula can sometimes bring much money. That's a way to start collecting houses, women, paintings. Yes. It's going to be about paintings. Nicholas is a painter." Clearly, she has tired of this "formula" and is thrust into Edouard's world in which art is anything but a "formula". It is a process, an elusive, capricious mistress that will not be "collected". It can only be touched, shared, never tamed. Through Edouard, Marianne learns another way where artist and model are partners. A place where she isn't just another trinket to be shoved at the rear of the shelf when another, newer one is acquired. At first, Marianne may find Edouard to be like herself as she considers Julienne, but later she finds that it is Julienne who has lost her fire and pushed Edouard to the back as she is no longer able to engage with him as he needs.

In the end, what they find, create together is it's own reward. Not something to be "acquired". In fact it is so precious that only they can truly appreciate it and the one way to truly honor and respect what they have done is to hide it from the world. For treating it as yet another object "collected" would defile the journey and reduce it to formula.


"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." - Catullus

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I agree it was fascinating to watch a decrepit charlatan cajoling a young woman into stripping for him so that he could transform her beautiful body into pathetic scribblings. Empty-headed girl meets artist with early-onset dementia:
folie à deux... + n.

Still, it's too bad Rivette couldn't do the decent thing, and immure this film in the wall of his cellar.

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Right, because there is so much evidence that he is a "charlatan"... he went out and "cajoled" her into coming to his studio, and when she was there he made inappropriate advances, touched her sexually, and showed no talent for his craft. Uh... whew.

LOL! That was pretty much the most dishonest, immature and ludicrous critique of a movie I have ever read.

Clearly, you understand neither the dynamics of an artist and model relationship nor an excellent examination of said in cinema. This "decrepit charlatan" can hardly be accused of "pathetic scribblings". In point of fact it was Bernard Dufour, a talented and respected painter who was filmed as he created the beautiful works we see appear before our eyes.

It's too bad you could see no deeper into this touching and enlightening film than your apparent misandry would allow.


"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." - Catullus

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Maybe the dynamics of the relationship were presented conceptually and require great insight to decipher how they are a representation of reality. No doubt this is also true of Dufour's artwork, which appears on the surface something that any person with a below-average ability could create using a forked branch of a tree and a pig carcass as models. But since those with such insight would be artists having intense relationships with their models, I really don't see why they would need to watch this film. Maybe to present the fantasy that they too in their dotage can continue to entertain nude models as they search for their masterpiece, a masterpiece that validates their life and thus is too good to display.

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The art done in the film is gone by a man who is considered by many to be a great artist, so your interpretation is of little value. Your interpretation of the film is equally flawed. It isn't about "validating their life", it is about the joy of making something beautiful. The joy of working, searching, striving for something great and attaining it, as he does in the film.

It's very easy to look at one man's passion, a passion you do not share, and ridicule it with derision. I don't get understand the passion some people have for spelunking, it freaks me out, but I understand vision and passion and the desire to explore and push one's limits.

I hardly think Edouard was concerned about, let alone "fantasizing" about "entertain[ing] nude models". In fact, he seems very disinterested in her except how she can work to provide for him the poses he needs to paint. In what moment in the film do we see him "entertaining" her? Clearly you don't understand the film, or the dynamic between artist and model, but did you even bother to *watch* the movie? Or were you just fast-forwarding to the next nude scene?


"...nothing is left of me, each time I see her..." - Catullus

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