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The 'love' between Chinaman and the girl. QUESTIONS!


I just watched the movie today for the first time. I actually really enjoyed it and thought that the ending was really poignant.

However, about the "love" between the two main characters. I have to say that a few areas need clearing up.

1) First off, how did the Chinaman fall in love with the girl so fast? He told her he loved her even before they had a proper convo. Can it even be love or just lust/physical attraction?

2) As for the girl, what led her to go to the Chinaman and basically tell him to just sleep with her no strings attached? Was she motivated by sexual curiosity? Was she motivated by money? Was she just a bit of a deviant rebellious teen?

3) He was clearly in love with her (right?), but she kept saying that she was in it for the money. IF that is indeed the case, I wonder why the Chinaman would put up with that kind of humiliation??? It is not like he is ugly and can not get girls.

4) If she did love him (which I think she did) then did she not tell him that because
A) she did not realize it herself
B) she in fact did not love him.
C) Knew she was in love but was in denial
D) Felt that it would put her in too much of a vulnerable position if she told him since she knew they had no future so she wanted to have a bit of power by giving him her body but withholding her love.

5) Her mother must have known even before she discovered the ring that her daughter was sleeping with Chinaman, or did she really not know? Was her mother relieved or not when the girl reassured her mother that she was only doing it for the money.

OK these were just questions that sprung to mind when I was watching the movie. Would love to get you guys opinion on this. I really did like the movie and would most likely watch it again in the near future to get more insight.

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Hi there

I think it had to do with lust initially which turned to love - a love which he held dear for the rest of his days.

I would agree that she was very precocious - she recognised beauty in her blonde friend and even said that "those men would be lucky" to sleep with her if she was a prostitute. I think she was sexually very curious and didn't shy away when the Chinaman clasped her hand in the car. She also instigated sex in the bachelor room after he became hesitant, thinking she was too young. This is a tactic often deployed in films of this delicate nature to almost excuse the older male lead and make him appear less predatory and the audience less repulsed (same thing happened in Lyne's version of Lolita between the characters of Jeremy Irons and Dominique Swain in that her character was eventually the one who instigated their first sexual encounter).

I question whether she actually loved him too because she didn't appear to like Chinese men (she said as much early on). But then she seemed to suffer a loss when finally she departed on the ship. Maybe it took that separation for her to realise she did in fact have feelings for him? But I think she was always aware that there could be no future in their relationship. The Chinaman's father did not approve and they would never have been accepted and he may have been disinherited.

Not too sure about your other points as I have only myself viewed it twice, years apart. Hope my views make sense to you though but that's just my personal take. Others may be able to provide a more satisfactory answer

And that, my friends, is all I have to say about that!

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This is a tactic often deployed in films of this delicate nature to almost excuse the older male lead and make him appear less predatory and the audience less repulsed (same thing happened in Lyne's version of Lolita between the characters of Jeremy Irons and Dominique Swain in that her character was eventually the one who instigated their first sexual encounter).

That line is directly quoted from the novel. This film is based on a novel as well & an autobiographical one at that. It's not a tactic the filmmakers devised to make the audience more comfortable.

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Well yes, obviously in the novel (since they are based on novels), maybe to appease the readers in much the same way as it is transferred to film. The point remains the same.

Have a lovely day, even if we don't always agree

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>How did the Chinaman fall in love with the girl so fast?

It was just physical in the beginning (Isn't that how alot of relationships start?) Later, however, it turned more into a loving/sharing relationship, though I don't think the girl wanted to admit it, even to herself.

>As for the girl, what led her to go to the Chinaman and basically tell him to just sleep with her no strings attached?

I think she was curious and she knew that he had money to spend on her. I think the fact that she didn't grow up with a Dad might have also given her a desire to seek out an older man (though he wasn't nearly as old as her Dad would have been).

>He was clearly in love with her (right?), but she kept saying that she was in it for the money. IF that is indeed the case, I wonder why the Chinaman would put up with that kind of humiliation???

Believe me there are pleny of guys with mistresses who are just there for the money. The guys know it, though they don't want to admit it to themselves. In some cases they might even hope that after at time the girl might really fall in love with them (I think this might be the situation for the Chinaman). Men are good at fooling themselves this way I think.

> If she did love him (which I think she did) then did she not tell him that because:

I think that she did love him, but did not want to admit it because she knew it wouldn't work. Because of ethic concerns neither family would accept the other. His family would want him married to a Chinese girl whose family had the right connections, not some poor French girl without two dimes to rub together.

In the western world we have forgotten how powerful these family influences can be. In the U.S. you can pretty much marry anybody these days, but not in the rest of the world and not back then.

The best the Chinaman could have offered her was a longterm mistress relationship, something I don't think she would have been satisfied with.

>Her mother must have known even before she discovered the ring that her daughter was sleeping with Chinaman, or did she really not know?

I think at some point her mom realized what was going on and accepted it because it was finacially helpful and she realized it would never lead to marriage. She didn't want a Chinaman for a son-in-law.


I have to say I really love this movie. It reminds me of an episode in my own life and makes me wonder what would have happened if things had gone diffrently (Strangely enough the girl involved also resembled Jane March!).

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I agree to some extent with what zaphod said.

I don't think either of them were really in love with each other.
If you think that what Romeo and Juliet had was love, then I think you'll agree that what the Chinese man and French girl in the story had was love too.

I think it was passion, lust, longing, desire--everything but true and unconditional love. Would he have fallen in love with her if she didn't have her young, beautiful, and lithe body? Would she have participated if he wasn't rich and didn't have that nice, black car? I often felt that she was even repulsed by him now and then- it was only the thrill of doing something wrong and getting paid that turned her on.

Their relationship was extremely conditional and bound by physicalities, and thus, not based on love!

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Been thinking about it more...

I don't know about her, but he was clearly affected in a way that wasn't just simple lust.

Remember he was an experienced lover when they met, and already had been with many mistresses. I imagine he even had many more after he was married. Yet, he holds a torch for the French girl for decades (actually the rest of his life). Perhaps it is simply that they were extremely sexually compatible, but given the long separation I think it was something more...

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That's why this movie is so good. First, it's a true story basically so even more fascinating. She doesn't think she loves because she's young and hard as a result of her upbringing. That dysfunctional home produced her hard exterior. She takes up with him for $ & to be rebellious. And I think they both had chemistry that turned to love. She doesn't realize it until she's on the ship and cries for what she lost. But their ethnicities make it impossible.

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Just finished reading "The North China Lover" Duras reaction to the movie was to write her own screenplay (sort of). It was never done as a film, but published as a book. I understand that it is a more acurate depiction of this period in her life than "The Lover" was...

Some interesting points come out in this book (Spoilers Ahead!):

1)She clearly is in love with the Chinaman (and he knows that) and the parting is extremely painful for both of them.

2)She much younger than in "The Lover." Though she tells him she is older when they meet, but she admits just before she leaves for France that she has just turned 15 a couple of weeks before. So she must have started the affair when she was 14 or even younger.

3)The real Helene gets married and returns to France, but dies of an illness at 27.

4)There seems to be some suggestion (not really gone into in detail) that she might be part Asian. The Chinaman notes that she has certain Asian features and askes how she accounts for that. She replies "I don't!" and they do not speak of it again.

5)The mother is well aware of what the daughter is doing, not just at the very end. The Mother and the Chinaman meet on an number of occasions. The daughter is skipping school and staying overnight at the Chinaman's room on a regular basis, but nobody seems inclinded to do much about it.

6)She mentions that she thinks she is pregnant at one point for about a week and is quite upset, but after she gets her period she finds she is also sad about it.

I recommend reading the book if you really like "The Lover" movie and novel.

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