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'spoiler' I don't get the ending.


Why did Tony Leung appear in the end? What was his role?

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There was supposed to be a sequel made, and indeed Wong Kar-Wai shot a lot of it....but because of the relative commercial failure of Days of Being Wild, the investors pulled their finances out, and the film never saw the light of day.

According to legend, the sequel would have starred Tony Leung's character, surrounded by all of the same characters in Days of Being Wild, and would have continued along simlar themes. As it happens, In The Mood For Love is a sort of sequel and 2046 will complete the 'trilogy', but I would really have loved to have seen the movie that WKW envisaged. Oh well....:)

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Hey there,
I suppose the answer you're looking for is what the ending with Tony Leung meant in the context of Days of Being Wild.
From what I understand, throughout the movie, we're shown how the callous behaviour of Leslie Cheung's character has negative repercussions on all of the other characters. By carelessly 'loving and leaving' his women (maggie cheung and carina lau) he's left in his wake a trail of broken hearts from Andy Lau's policeman character to his best friend.
So after we find out that Leslie has died, the last shot with Tony Leung serves as a prologue to remind us that even though he's gone, somewhere else there is someone else just like him ready to go out and do the same thing over again... Tony's character is just like Leslie's but merely in a different place.

I hope that clears it up..

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Interesting....Thanks

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i've heard the theory that this is the prelude to tony's character as a gambler in 2046. he's getting ready to go out and gamble. worth consideration, but ultimately hard to place in the face of wkw's fragmented chronology.

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You’re right about the “fragmented chronology”, the continuity is a bit off, but then this “trilogy” took nearly ten years to finish, so much would have changed along the way – 2046 changed a lot even in post production. If I remember correctly, DOBW was set in 1960. That’s two years before ITMFL, so the final scene, if we are to believe it’s the same character, would have been a flash forward to when Chow had moved to Singapore at the end of ITMFL. That’s when he meets Lulu for the first time (1964 according to 2046) and tells her about his relationship with Su Litzen. Its easy to understand how Chow and Lulu formed a bond through both being broken hearted. I’d like to think it’s the same Su Litzen played by Maggie Chung in DOBW, but her character in ITMFL was quite different. Its not out of the question that in the two years between the films she had married a wealthy man who could afford to buy her all those lavish dresses. That doesn’t explain why they were living in relatively cheap looking accommodation though, but I don’t know enough about HK culture in the 60’s to comment.

Missed connections are central to all three films, so its really no surprise that WKW leaves it up to the individual viewer to join the dots and form their own interpretation of the story that is unfolding before them. My personal feeling is that the character appeared to show that the story is never over and just as one heart breaker bites the dust, another emerges to take his place.

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Excellent take on the ending...

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That was my conclusion too. Tony picking up from where Leslie left off. Leslie was so good in the movie. I feel he is not appreciated enough.

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Ah ha! I hate sound to say this, but...oh, it's kind of shameful but I sometimes I have a little trouble telling Asian people apart. (Which is entirely my fault for not spending enough time absorbing Asian culture). It usually takes a second's worth of thought before I can pick up on a couple defining features and remember who is who. I watched that scene THREE times, trying my best to figure out who in the heck that guy was, thinking I had seen him earlier but just didn't recognize him.

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Ah ha! I hate sound to say this, but...oh, it's kind of shameful but I sometimes I have a little trouble telling Asian people apart. (Which is entirely my fault for not spending enough time absorbing Asian culture). It usually takes a second's worth of thought before I can pick up on a couple defining features and remember who is who. I watched that scene THREE times, trying my best to figure out who in the heck that guy was, thinking I had seen him earlier but just didn't recognize him.


No shame in admitting that, I was lost too! With me, I cue on actors' hair, so if they all have similar hair color & style I get easily confused. I have a brain the size of a walnut.

In the DVD commentary for "House of Flying Daggers", director Zhang talks about how it's common for western audiences to get confused with Asian actors so he adds little cues like showing one character always eating peanuts. It's supposed to tip the audience: that's the peanut guy. He adds that Asian audiences have a tough time telling American actors apart. Haha, so I guess Matt Damon should try eating peanuts so they don't confuse him with Leonardo Di Caprio.

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i agree with you ^^

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coool, tnx alot dude

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On top of that, i read that the reason they didnt finish filming the sequal was carina lau got kidnapped and she was distraught, and since she is tony leung's girlfriend in real life, they decided to just stop production. thats what it says on wikipedia anyway.

In 1990, during the filming of Days of Being Wild, Carina was abducted and topless photos of her snapped.

Originally, Wong Kar Wai said, there were plans for "Days of Being Wild" I and II, and the sequence featuring Tony Leung was meant to be the opening scene of the second movie. But two things happened, both mundane and dramatic. The mundane one was that "Days of Being Wild" didn't do well in Hong Kong, so the producers said, "No Part 2." The dramatic one occurred during filming and involved a mysterious act of violence that fans of Tony and his longtime companion, Carina Lau, still buzz about in Internet chat rooms.

"I was doing the shoot," Tony said, "and a friend came and told me, 'Your girlfriend has just been kidnapped.' And I told Kar-wai I couldn't do any more, I had to go find her." The thugs who grabbed Carina set her free several hours later, and it is now believed that the man behind the kidnapping is a show business entrepreneur with whom Carina was having a financial dispute. Tony said she has never wanted to talk about what happened in those missing hours with anyone, including him. "I told her that was fine, I had no right to ask," he said. "I was just glad to have her home safe." He then told Kar Wai that he didn't want to go back to work anytime soon. "A human being is more important than a movie," he said.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Leung_Chiu_Wai#Relationship_with_Carina_Lau

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Hm, so In the Mood for Love was not the originally intended sequel for DOBW... Well, then, the final scene makes a little more sense. My first feeling about the scene was that, while Su Li-Zhen shows her availability for a new visit to the completely unforseeable and highly hazardous lands of the love (see the previous phone-ringing scene), Chow Mo-Wan comes up, ready to take his place in the Heartborken Club (I DARE you to say that Wong Kar-Wai hasn't founded one ! Just look at ALL his characters! - not that I don't like it). 'Course, Su-Li-Zhen thought she called for Tide, but, well, she got something else instead (or: she calls for a nice guy & protection, and she gets her husband, but something's still lurking in the shadows, ready to take her by surprise).

My problem was that the Chow Mo-Wan we see at the end of DOBW is not the Chow Mo-Wan from IMFL, but the Chow Mo-Wan from 2046. Maybe it's a flash-forward indeed, but then, he's got an excuse for being a giggolo, which is, looking for his lost love, while Yuddy is simply being reckless and inconsiderate (right, unhappy childhood and all, but it's still a differemt situation). So he's not just "another heartbreaker", not a true follower of Yuddy. It could be the CM-W from between DOBW and IMFL, since in 2046 he seemed such a natural at being Clark Gable, it makes one think he'd had some practice before; but then, he settles down a little too fast and a little too unnoticed, and becomes, sort of suddenly, the quiet and decent guy in IMFL.

So, now, if the scene was meant for something that didn't work as planned, I'm a little more at peace .

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Well, I saw 2046 in November. Then in January I watched "Days of Being Wild". And yesterday, as I work in a cinema, I sat into the first ten minutes of "2046" again. And in these 10 minutes I noticed a few things: Tony Leung meets Carina Lau and they talk about their past, when she had told him that he reminded her of her lost love, calling him "the bird without legs", a clear reference to the couple Leslie Leung and Carina Lau in "Days of Being Wild". Then comes a track-shot, where you see b/w-fotos of the young Leslie Cheung...

"In the mood for Love" picks up the story with Tony Leung, which started in the last shot of "Days of Being Wild", and we see his meeting with Maggie Cheung. "2046" is all about the past GREAT love and missed opportunity of Tony Cheung, which is related to the Maggie Cheung character. We only get a glimpse of Maggie...

So, in my opinion, it is a trilogy: "Days of Being Wild", "In the Mood for love" and "2046".

I will surely hav e the opportunity to watch "2046" a few times in the next few weeks, and probably will notice some more details which connect...

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My reflections on first In the Mood for Love and now, Days of Being Wild focus not so much on individual culpability and innocence, but the integration of environment as a distinct element into the film and the duplicity and harshness of human relations.

In "Days" one can see the effective and engaging cinematic style of Wong, which becomes highly refined and mellowed by "In the Mood." It's also reflected in a toning down of the brassiness and crudity of the characters. Yet they are people of the same mold, looking for love, often betrayed, trailing unkindness and carelessness in their wake. Except for Tide, the policeman/sailor. Perhaps he is the hapless "hero" of this movie.

It's easy to be lulled into ignoring the overarching amorality of the main character, Leslie and his adoptive mother because of the care and attention Wong pays to his sonic design, art direction, mise-en-scene and the diverting sexual attractiveness of all his characters. Yet this is the crux of the movie. Abandoned Son + Mercenary Mom = Bad Seed.

A nice exercise in preparation for "In the Mood." But essentially a little sad and seedy, nonetheless. In "In the Mood" we genuinely care for the characters and feel their longing. Here, the "evil" mother escapes while the son wages psychotic destruction until he is deservedly snuffed out.

7.5 /10



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Why are you posting your film critic style review as a reply to the previous post?

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Why not use the message boards to discuss ideas and themes? Don't let format bother you, or get hung up on style. We're here to talk about the movie and everything about it.

I first look for already started posts with either similar themes or something I might disagree with. Intelligence, wit and insight are paramount. Others can help you understand a movie and appreciate what it communicates about the culture and the director's particular concerns.

Get in on the conversation!

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That's just the thing. You weren't discussing anything. Nothing in your post sounded like you had even read what you were replying to. It's fine if you want to write a review, whether or not I care for the style, but reviews are better suited for the "User Comments" section (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101258/usercomments-enter), not the message boards. As for your recommendation to "Get in on the conversation!," I agree, and I do, I only wish you would follow this advice yourself.

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The beauty and freedom of these message boards is that we are able to post any comments/messages we would like, whether they are particularly or specifically related to the what is being discussed or not. In this case I disagree with you that what I posted was not pertinent to the previous posts. The reality of the boards shows that postings of all stripes yield interesting discussions, pertinent to the movie at hand or any subject related to it, mine as well as others. Because someone like yourself doesn't see the connections doesn't limit someone else from "picking up the thread" and continuing the conversation in whatever direction it goes. Otherwise, best to just pass this one by and move on to something that interests you.

The main point here is that one can have a direct conversation on the message boards but not in the comment section. I want to interact, which is much easier here than there.

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The post you were replying to was talking about the literal connections between Days of Being Wild, In the Mood for love, and 2046. The original post was a question about the ending of Days of Being Wild, and what it meant. I wonder why you think your post was pertinent to these particular subjects. I suppose it doesn't matter though. Keep on exercising your beautiful freedom in whatever way you choose. It's not that important to me.

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Indirectly I was commenting on the conversation. By moving to a different plane I was emphasizing the emotional and moral content over the specific and literal. This seemed to me a necessary addition to the "connect-the-dots" aspects. In other words, I was expanding the discussion.

P.S., dokken - It seems we had our own little sidebar about uses of message boards. Useful, enlightening and off-topic.

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i concur with your view. i watched these three movies in reverse order, and noticed the same threads.

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I have another theory. It's kind of a psychological/mythological look at the trilogy. Tony Leung is the "phoenix" rising from the ashes of Leslie Cheung's death but with a lesson learned. In the end, Leslie Cheung and Andy Lau learn something from each other. Tony Leung is the new person who comes out of that experience. That's why he shares memories with Leslie Cheung but loves Maggie Cheung in a way more like the way Andy Lau did.

Though, I have to say, some of the other theories are interesting.

There are so many beautiful connections between these movies. The symbol of the phone ringing... unanswered. "Let it ring, then hang up." Beautiful.

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ok...let me get this straight. The actor who plays the character we are fixated on during the last 60 seconds of the movie...did not play a character in the entire film? And so...forget about the trilogy idea for a moment....as a movie with a beginning...middle...and end....what is the signifigance to me, the viewer..of this character?? Who the hell is he? How does he relate to ANY of the other characters in the story? And why should I care? I just walked out of a theater where not one of the people in a packed audience had an iota of a clue who the *beep* that guy was!!! Everyone wasa shaking their heads....and yes...most of us did see In The Mood For Love (we are subscribers to a foreign film series).... I just don't get it....aside from that, it was riviting to watch..I just do not feel satisfied and I have a headache from thinking about it....

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I think WKW intends all his films to be watched several times and revaluated in respect to his other films. I didn't see DOBW when it was first released but I think it had already been announced that there would be a sequel and this would have informed the audiences’ interpretation of the final shot. I don’t think it was particularly well done. We see him pick up some white packages before leaving, but it’s only really clear that they are playing cards in retrospect.

It doesn't help when you are watching the film years after it was released and it also sounds like your cinema was showing the films out of sequence (from what you’re saying I gather they showed ITMFL before DOBW). The best way to see them is one after the other, but not everyone’s got time for that - there are too many other great films to see!

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I can't agree with you anymore! His films are definitely meant to be watched over and over again cause its not meant to merely entertain audiences as most other Hong Kong films are! His films are meant to be perceived, pondered and some ways to reflect on our own lives. He is a one of a kind film director and one of the greatest! About 5 of his films are listed in the '100 Best Chinese Motion Picture' list. Probably the most for a director though his films are not meant to be 'box office' blockbusters but again, some films are not made to be (merely) commercially successful.

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LOL! I thought that was Leslie Cheung. I was puzzled but he was acting exactly like the guy i saw dying a few seconds ago and then the movie was over anyways. How stupid, the movie should have ended with the phone ringing. I wonder how a rather great director could possibly do that? Guess back then there were no DVDs around to acknowledge Tony Leung's work and WKW just added this confusing scene at the end to please his star. WKW should go back and correct his mistake on future releases.

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I've read recently that the coda with Tony Leung (Chiu-wai) was the idea of the film's editor, Patrick Tam (himself an accomplished director), and not Wong himself. The story is that Tam had to sort through all of Chris Doyle's many hours of film with nothing but a synopsis and, naturally, conversations with WKW. The final scene was originally supposed to play like a trailer for the sequel, but Tam decided to (arguably dramatically) alter the structure of the film, taking it out of that context and making it seem as if the whole story was a prologue to this shot, to a new story. Wong liked it, and it stayed.

If I'm not mistaken, this is his last film to have not featured William Chang as the editor, though he (Chang) did a great job as usual with production design (does he have a photographic memory of the sixties?).

Stephen Teo, in his book about Wong Kar-wai's body of work, muses on Tony Leung's character as another "Ah Fei" in the mould of Manuel Puig's Juan Carlos from Heartbreak Tango; a Borgesian doppelganger of sorts for Leslie Cheung's character.

Actually, a lot of this information is found in Stephen Teo's book, which anyone with interest in Wong Kar-wai's work should pick up, I think.

Another interesting note is that Tony Leung (on a dvd's special features...I want to say Criterion ITMFL) states that until his Chow Mo-wan character in In the Mood for Love, his most fulfilling role as an actor was that one scene in Days of Being Wild.

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I definitely took Tony Leung's character in ITMFL as another version of Leslie's character in DOBW, in that he's given a second chance at happiness with Su Li Zhen, who was devastated when Leslie's character dumped her when she was younger.

Another interesting note is that Tony Leung (on a dvd's special features...I want to say Criterion ITMFL) states that until his Chow Mo-wan character in In the Mood for Love, his most fulfilling role as an actor was that one scene in Days of Being Wild.


Interesting. I read something similar from Tony. He said that it was after filming DOBW that he truly began to gain a new perspective on acting, and learned to enjoy the creative process of building a character.

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thnak god you're not the director

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I had an interpretation related to this. I've read the thoughts here about "another playboy just like Yuddy" and preview of Chow Mo-Wan, and I like these interpretations, but I still don't want to give up my own either. In the final scene, Tony is an avatar of Leslie Cheung's character. Cheung has had a miserable life, and made others miserable to boot, and finally goes off on a quest to try to find some meaning.. and ends up with nothing at all, even worse off than before, no hope, complete despair, no desire for further life. But on the train you can see there is still a spark, that will not die.

Enter Tony Leung, glamorous, suave, sophisticated (in a way), and above all confident and content. Wealthy, well-dressed, jauntily preparing for a night out. Somehow it all seems like a kind of redemption for Cheung -- as if in some alternate future or reincarnation he has finally found peace, found a life that he can be happy in, meaning in the simple concreteness and artistry in his surroundings and actions -- and regardless of how it may affect others, it is a personal triumph.

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I think that this film screams 'sequel' in the end.
First there is that final scene with Tony Leung that's pretty much confusing (although I like the interpretation that he's someone like Leslie Cheung's character).
Then Mimi or Lulu's storyline ends abruptly with her telling the landlady something like: "I've heard it's easy to find Hong Kong people here, I want to talk to you about that". Then it cuts to Maggie Cheung and then we have the final scene with Tony Leung. I felt like it wasnt a very satisfying conclusion to the character.

That's the way it crumbles... cookie-wise.

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The character appeared to show that the story is never over and just as one heart breaker bites the dust, another emerges to take his place.


I like that concept. Also the idea of the doppelganger. All the main characters in the film have their opposite personalities.

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