rewatching and jill is so annoying!! - Home Improvement (1991) Discussion

[–] sparky182 12 years ago

If Brad or Randy would have stole the pocketknife, Jill would have been apoplectic. But since it was her daughter Mark, she consoled him. I hated Jill and thought the show would have been better off without her.

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[–] Necramonium 12 years ago

I happen to watch the show right now on Comedy Central Family, and i gotta say, since i started watching it again this much, since the 90's, Jill really is a annoying women, and yeah, she will go nuts towards Tim for (sometimes) things where you raise a eyebrow for.

The pocketknife episode was indeed a good example of how she was, i thought Tim was even being calm towards Mark, my mother/father would have dragged me to bathroom, give me a cold shower, and make me go to sleep without dinner.

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[–] Ben52580 12 years ago

Jill WASN'T fat LOL. Wow, and you wonder why women get complex's. Jill put up with a LOT of Tim's BS. LOL.

As far as the person that posted about how she tells Tim to cut mark a break, then she flips out on something else and he has to agree with her.

Welcome to a marriage of people that have been together many years. That's just reality in relationships where women aren't completely submissive.

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[–] Itsaduck 12 years ago

Its not about being submissive... i dont know where you got that from lol its about being hypocritical. She will make tim "give mark a break" and then go nuts with them without consulting tim (she always insists that he consults her...)

Other things bug me aswell such as telling tim he couldnt have season tickets because she needed to go to college etc but when she inherits money she didnt even think to get tim those season tickets >.<

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[–] tralycr_c-1 12 years ago

Welcome to Home Improvement--we've been saying this for years. Jill is practically a villain on this show; just a terrible, terrible human being.

There is a man...he travels fast...he has purpose...he brings violence and destruction.

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[–] Ben52580 10 years ago

Anyone that thinks Jill comes off as villain in this show needs help.

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[–] tralycr_c-1 10 years ago

Home Improvement is serious business!

There is a man...he travels fast...he has purpose...he brings violence and destruction.

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[–] Ben52580 10 years ago

LOL :)

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[–] rural_jurors 12 years ago

while I don't agree with the idea that Jill is annoying, or the episode about Mark stealing the knife, the thing about Jill inheriting money actually makes sense.
She got quite a bit of money, and she didn't bother sharing it with Tim. Even if it wasn't for the tickets, she didn't bother asking him if he had any ideas on what to do with it.

Also, I also just realised something. The episode with the tickets. At the end, when they're all talking about the play off tickets being more expensive, Jill asks if she can buy a few tickets if they make it into the play offs. She says she wants to take Tim to them. So in the end, she did compromise (twice) as well....

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[–] suckerpunchu 12 years ago

When the show first aired I liked it. Now I can only watch a select few without being annoyed ( the early years ).

I always thought Jill was annoying but I liked tim. Now they both annoy me Jill for being a constant nag who never does wrong and Tim for bein a baby at times. So many times where he makes jokes but anyone making a joke at him he get upset. He seem to dish it out but couldn't take it

Randy was the only funny one when they were younger I don't know if it was delivery by randy or just he got the best lines. Later years he became annoying with his better then everyone personality. Brad seemed to be the only tolerable character from the whole show in later years.

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[–] rob-2423 12 years ago

Couldn't stand Jill!!! She was self absorbed, arrogant, rude, selfish, and always horned in on everybody else's moment.

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[–] whitespirit26 12 years ago

I don't know, they made Brad too much of a jocky meathead and Mark too much of a goth near the end. That's why I don't care for all the later episodes as much; some are great though.

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[–] Felixthecat34213 9 years ago

while I don't agree with the idea that Jill is annoying, or the episode about Mark stealing the knife, the thing about Jill inheriting money actually makes sense.
She got quite a bit of money, and she didn't bother sharing it with Tim. Even if it wasn't for the tickets, she didn't bother asking him if he had any ideas on what to do with it.

Obviously you didn't watch either episode...

The money was given to her with the intent that she spend in on something frivolous and for herself. That was her Aunt's dying wish because she lived the complete opposite. Jill inherited several thousand dollars in cash from someone else.

Tim, on the other hand, took money that the two had been saving for their sons, and spent it on something completely stupid. Do you really need tickets to 40 basketball games?? At 50 dollars a piece? Good god...that really is a waste of money, especially considering that you can watch the same goddamn game on television.

Men are completely irrational and when left to their own devices they tend to do irrational things. I'm sorry if this offensive to men, but 90% of the time it's true.

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[–] whitespirit26 12 years ago

Jill's pretty cool for the most part, there were only a few times I strongly wanted to correct her.

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[–] falloutboy73 11 years ago

The bottom line is that in most marrigies today the wife wears the pants. That's our culture now. I'm not saying it's wrong. My wife runs the show in our house. Jill is more of a typical wife than not. Obviously it's a comedy so things are a bit exagerrated, but not far from most families.

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[–] whitespirit26 11 years ago

Well, women shouldn't be boss of men, not their husbands anyway.

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[–] poem 11 years ago

That's our culture now.

Hu ? Thats pretty universal. In fact its a scientifically proven fact. The woman always decides how the relationship develops.

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[–] Felixthecat34213 9 years ago

The bottom line is that in most marrigies today the wife wears the pants. That's our culture now. I'm not saying it's wrong. My wife runs the show in our house. Jill is more of a typical wife than not. Obviously it's a comedy so things are a bit exagerrated, but not far from most families.

That's not what Jill is representing. She and Tim represent the 1990s culture wars and new wave feminism. Try reading Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus (ironically written by a man).

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[–] babel_on_5 11 years ago

One thing that my parents taught me and I tried very hard to do with my children is when disciplining to attack what they did and not their character. In Jill's eyes, when Tim called him a "dirty rotten thief" he went too far. Would he have been as mad if Mark had stolen the knife from Walmart instead of from Harry? Probably not; now Harry knows that TIM'S SON is a thief and that reflects back on FATHER TIM, and Tim couldn't deal with it. Mostly parents have to work together when disciplining, but when one goes over the top the other has to step in and chill the situation before it gets even worse. Been there done that from both sides; it's not fun or easy because now there are two mad/hurt people that have to dealt with. I support Jill's intervention in this situation.

Damn right she was irritating at times, though, and so was Tim. That's reality with any couple.

Modern socialism is when corporate jets land at Reagan Airport in DC. -JK Gilbraith

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[–] sande8 11 years ago

jup.. Jill was a selfish *beep*

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[–] antonasmodeus 11 years ago

There is no denying that Jill was the ultimate sitcom nag from hell. It's no wonder why they pulled the plug on the show when she started asking for more money.

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[–] whitespirit26 11 years ago

The ultimate nag? Ever heard of Debra Barone, honey? NO comparison.

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[–] rural_jurors 11 years ago

i give up. Jill is actually amazing just.......the things she has to put up with oh my god
and lol exactly, have you ever seen debra in action guys??? THAT is annoying. not Jill.
i'm not saying Jill's perfect and that she made the right decisions all the time. Far from it, actually. she's neurotic and narcissistic, but that's what she's meant to be like. she's not meant to be this angel of a wife who just agrees with everything Tim says, she's a woman who has her own opinions and values. And yes, she screws up sometimes, but so does Tim. but that doesn't make her the 'ultimate nag' or whatever. of course there have been times when I didn't necessarily agree with her behaviour (like when she put tim's hot rod out in the snow and couldn't admit it was her fault that it got ruined) but she always manages to come through in the end so that's character development right there what more could you ask for i mean come on

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[–] tralycr_c-1 11 years ago

Sane people don't watch Everybody Loves Raymond.

And character developement? She's the same at the end as she is at the start. Always, forever.

Worse than Hitler.

There is a man...he travels fast...he has purpose...he brings violence and destruction.

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[–] rural_jurors 11 years ago

ok sorry i really do have to point this out, if you take the Hot Rod episode for example, Jill spent a good part of it feeling as though she wasn't responsible, and it was somehow even Tim's fault because he didn't take the car outside like she'd asked or whatever. Clearly, she's wrong, and at the end, she works on the car the whole night and when Tim comes in, she admits that the whole thing was her fault.

so she's gone from blaming the entire mess on everyone around her, to actually accepting the blame, and doing something to rectify the situation. So I'm thinking she's not the same at the end as she was in the start.

and i mean come on, it's not like Tim hasn't done worse things to her car.....and tried to hide it from her too.

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[–] terryc316 11 years ago

and i mean come on, it's not like Tim hasn't done worse things to her car.....and tried to hide it from her too.

EXACTLY. I think people are forgetting "Don't Tell Momma", the infamous 3-ton-beam-on-the-Nomad episode.

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[–] rural_jurors 11 years ago

yea exactly what i was talking about!!! why are there no complaints about that one

(also i changed names from xo-glam-ox to rural_jurors just putting it out there guys ok bye)

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[–] tralycr_c-1 11 years ago

Because Tim isn't shown as in the right at any point in that episode. His badgering over the scratch, then his attempts to put the blame on Jill come off as pathetic and beneath a man of his age. It's always the opposite when Jill is in the wrong, where somehow everything is still Tim's fault.

There is a man...he travels fast...he has purpose...he brings violence and destruction.

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[–] terryc316 11 years ago

Yeah, I don't know. I guess people love to hate Jill...Ha, ha...

Glad you mentioned that about changing your name. Actually, just happened to notice that it looks like your previous posts changed to rural_jurors when you changed your name, too...so that's good.

Also, meant to tell you that I finally got all the DVDs of Home Improvement, the WHOLE series. Didn't get the Binford tool box with the tool. I ordered the season DVDs individually from Best Buy. Believe it or not, it was cheaper that way than the box sets on Amazon or Barnes and Noble...*LOL*

Kind of nice to be able to watch it whenever you want, huh?...Heh, heh...

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[–] Ben52580 10 years ago

And how many times did he try to lie to Jill? I like Tim's character a lot, but Jill really was the voice of reason in that household.

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[–] tralycr_c-1 10 years ago

Wilson was the voice of reason.

There is a man...he travels fast...he has purpose...he brings violence and destruction.

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[–] Ben52580 10 years ago

Actually, on more than one occasion she corrected or showed Wilson the right way.

Wilson was also a voice of reason, as a an outsider, which is much easier to do.

Jill was the voice of reason INSIDE the household.

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[–] tralycr_c-1 11 years ago

Only in the last minutes of the show does she take any kind of responsiblity, and only after Wilson points out her absurd hypocrisy. Yeah, she is kind of remorseful, but by the next expisode is back to the old Jill. That's not a change.

As for Tim, his screwups are never justified, and the show never tries to put the viewer on his side, even when he's possibly in the right. That's the opposite of Jill.

There is a man...he travels fast...he has purpose...he brings violence and destruction.

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[–] rural_jurors 11 years ago

sorry i really don't want to be a prick about this, but i have to say, at the end of the day, she does realise its her fault and she does take responsibility for the situation. Which was the point of the episode because what they were trying to show was the fact that she was able to get over her issues and was actually able to accept the blame. Which is a vast difference to how people perceive her to be in previous episodes. And well, yes she's the 'old Jill' in the next episode because the next episode is about Wilson wanting to move or whatever, the points being its not a Tim/Jill based storyline so of course major character development like that has no necessity to be shown again when the plot line has basically nothing to do with her. But yea i know you're talking about character development down the line, but she has shown it again in more important episodes like the couples workshop one, she literally accepts the blame for everything she did wrong in their marriage!!!

But on the flipside, of course some of Tim's screw ups aren't justified in that sense i mean he dropped a three tonne beam on her car how can that be justified in any situation. Besides, why would a screw up be justified, he's clearly done something wrong, why would the show attempt to cast him in a good light for it. They didn't support Jill for the times she screwed up either, like when she went on that TV show and talked about Tim's mid life crisis.. so yeah the show doesnt really justify any of their screw ups???

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[–] Jupiter555555 9 years ago

i give up. Jill is actually amazing just.......the things she has to put up with oh my god
and lol exactly, have you ever seen debra in action guys??? THAT is annoying. not Jill.
i'm not saying Jill's perfect and that she made the right decisions all the time. Far from it, actually. she's neurotic and narcissistic, but that's what she's meant to be like. she's not meant to be this angel of a wife who just agrees with everything Tim says, she's a woman who has her own opinions and values. And yes, she screws up sometimes, but so does Tim. but that doesn't make her the 'ultimate nag' or whatever. of course there have been times when I didn't necessarily agree with her behaviour (like when she put tim's hot rod out in the snow and couldn't admit it was her fault that it got ruined) but she always manages to come through in the end so that's character development right there what more could you ask for i mean come on

Excellent post, Rural. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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[–] crlnrgbrght5 11 years ago

That's another TV wife I can't put up with. I have never seen an episode of "Everybody Loves Raymond", where She isn't putting Him down, or giving Him any support.

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[–] poem 11 years ago

Personally I think Jill is one of the redeeming qualities of the show.

Theres of course many others, like the neighbour Wilson, the assistant Al Borland, or Heidi.

But Jill brought the feminine aspect to a family of one alpha male and his three sons. Without her, the show would have been completely unbearable.

And I like how she's not perfect. She's a real human being with shortcomings.

Plus of course she's hella sweet and sexy.

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A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me.

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[–] terryc316 11 years ago

I agree about Jill. She is actually a huge part of the show. After all, most of Tim's stand-up comedy that lead to this show was about the differences between men and women.

At the same time, I think those that are complaining about Jill are justified in saying at times she is annoying, because it seems like the writers insisted on her being an ULTRA-feminist in later seasons.

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[–] PopperTheKungFu-Dragon 10 years ago

Love your post poem. You took the words out of my mouth. I love Jill and she and Tim are just magic together when they're not fighting.

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[–] freebird3411 11 years ago

I like Jill but many times they made her overreact to things in order to have a conflict with Tim in every episode. Sometimes that ended up meaning she reacted differently than she had before. It sucks... she's a good character but they made her act so ridiculous sometimes just so there could be a lesson learned at the end.

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[–] terryc316 11 years ago

Yeah. It seems like the writers insisted on Jill being an ULTRA-feminist in later seasons.

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[–] rural_jurors 11 years ago

yes this is what ive been trying to get at its not actually jill's fault its the sometimes crappy writing (in terms of plot of the episode, not the line by line writing i mean) just so that there's an episode made and viewers can get something out of it, its not actually jill (idk that sounds weird but you know what i mean right) but really shes such a dork like guys go watch season 5 (especially the later episodes) ok she is such a DORK i want to hug her i just i LOVE JILL SO MUCH I WANT TO CRY

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[–] arcticdragon340 11 years ago

yes this is what ive been trying to get at its not actually jill's fault its the sometimes crappy writing (in terms of plot of the episode, not the line by line writing i mean) just so that there's an episode made and viewers can get something out of it, its not actually jill (idk that sounds weird but you know what i mean right) but really shes such a dork like guys go watch season 5 (especially the later episodes) ok she is such a DORK i want to hug her i just i LOVE JILL SO MUCH I WANT TO CRY

Learn to use punctuations. Learn to write sentences.

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[–] rural_jurors 11 years ago

I am so sorry i was expressing feelings as they were happening I did not realise that was such a problem so here i'm writing this to compensate it has proper sentences and punctuation I hope I don't offend this time.

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[–] arcticdragon340 11 years ago

It's alright.

Just some advice, though: discussion on the internet is entirely done by writing and reading, so it helps that readers can quickly understand other people's posts in one read-though, and they don't have to put together and analyze those sentences as they read.

I've seen a lot of people write huge paragraphs with no punctuations, and even an entire story in one giant paragraph.

Besides that, it's good to hear your opinion on this show.

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[–] rural_jurors 11 years ago

yeah i know, totally understood, its just that im more accustomed to tumblr, where people just scream feelings in a text post with no puncuation etc and on rare occasions i don't make the transition myself on the boards haha.

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[–] wlharmon 11 years ago

I just recently began watching reruns of this show and I agree the quality of the writing seemed to go downhill especially for Jill's role.

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