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what the is so bad about this movie?


seriously, i thought it was a great one.why all the hate?

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Probably because it follows one of the greatest films ever made and people expected it to be even better. People are hard to please!

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It's not particularly bad in my view. As another fellow pointed out, it had the bad luck to follow one of the absolute finest films of the last fifty years.

However, it does have problems.

The absence of beautifully framed widescreen photography for one. Some rather gaudy looking filters seem to have been put over the lens at times.

Jerry Goldsmith is sorely missed.

Not much urgency or conflict in the script. No sense of danger.

The fact that Loach's kid is a smug prick feels like a device of the typical late 80s sequel.

Beyond that, there was a naturalism to Chinatown, a sense of scope, whereas The Two Jakes feels confined and stagey.

To be honest, I fell asleep watching it the other night at around the half-way point; it's just not terribly interesting.

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Nothing really bad but it moves at a snails pace and Nicholson's character does nothing to help. I stayed with the movie and in the end yawned.

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^^^^ All of this.

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Nothing ´that´bad. But it is a rather cheesy, melodramatic piece dripping with overwrought nostalgia; unlike Chinatown, there´s sort of a kitschy, stagey undertaste to the pervasive sadness. Nicholson is no Polanski either and has considerable trouble with cutting to the chase as the movie´s kinda sluggish, confusing and overlong. Also, what´s with the bizarre quirks on rather ample display during the earlier portions of the film? In the end it comes together more or less okay though.



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I felt as though it was scripted around a list of parallels to Chinatown that someone jotted down on their lunch hour.

I mean come on, the villain mispronounces jakes name and even shares a line with Cross.

Why not just beat the audience over the head? It would be subtler.

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It's not half bad. It's not just that it's a hard act to follow, I think it's audience (at least me) were largely 'Godfather' fans. Since GF2 was such a work of genius, we all had -much- higher expectations for this than just a typical sequel.

But to me, it changes the -tone- of the original. It's weird. Even though the costumes and people are mostly the same, it -feels- like it's in a different franchise. There's a little too much 'camp' for me. It starts with the matching shoes in the opening scene.

My guess: if they coulda had Polanski do it, it would've been better.

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No doubt---anytime, but Jack isn't horrible.

Nobody beats Polanski.

'Chinatown' is just a brilliant act to follow. This is waaayyy better than nothing, and I say that about VERY few sequels.

Carpe Noctem!

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it is not bad...
just kind of ok.

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I thought it was good. I saw it when it came out and remember I liked it, but perhaps confused a bit. I don't recall, but just re-watched it again after seeing Chinatown for the 2nd time and thought it stands up well. Hands down better than most crap that comes out today.

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I don't get it either. I though it was great. Loved Chinatown and think this holds up well. Agree with everything you said.

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The plot is confusing/hard to follow.

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