one of the worst movies



This is a very bad movie. stay away from it. unless you are into gangster movies and you can watch movies just for the sake of it being a gangster movie.
whole scenarios in the movie borders on the implausible right from the start that Noonan can mix with Frankie's gang without Frankie knowing him or suspecting him to be a cop. Everything in the movie seems to be so phony and just put in the movie for the sake of making a movie. Noonan could not witness Jackie getting murdered beacuse at the exact minute he was busy leaving a massage. how convenient for the film maker.
A ruthless mob boss who kills people on the drop of a hat is seen trashing a bar and bullying a bar owner for just 900 bucks. And to top it he is not even successful at that.
In the last scene a big goof: Noonan fires only a single shot at Frankie, frankie is hit on the forehead, in this scene blood oozes out of his back, his suit is shown to be ripped off the back, but there is no bullet entry wound on his front. also if you slow motion that shot it is apparent that Ed Harris is hit by red paint on his forehead.
Also I noticed a lot of posters keep on referring to some book upon which this movie is supposed to be based upon. Are we supposed to first read the book and then watch the movie? A good book can not justify a bad movie.

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did you really watch the movie?noonan is excepted because he had a history going back years to the neighborhood..there was no reason for anybody to suspect him..as to the comment about the book..half the movies made are based on books,plays etc..read it or dont( i doubt you read much)..its ok not to like a movie others did like,happens all the time..but make some sense..the acting was electrifying,the photography and music great,and the script was based on some true stories in the 70s..

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there was no reason for anyone to suspect him? lol after he disappeared for several years and then walked back into a bar and said "hey Jackie I want be a gangsta with you brudda" this movie really seems good until you really watch it. its so ridiculous. check this out. Jackie has a freezer on some heels kitchen rooftop where he keeps frozen hands. yea. good idea Jackie. lol

This Bellini is starting to look like a real Kapuchnik.

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If you don't like the movie, that is your opinion... But I really don't understand why... Frankie is shaking the guy down over a seemingly small amount of money and, ultimatley, not successful at it because they are not this perfect, finely tuned crew, like Frankie wants them to be... That scene was showing how unprofessional they were... He wants to partner with the big-shot Italians but his gang is really just a bunch of tough, rowdy, loose cannon, undisciplined Irish kids from the neighborhood... As for why Frankie lets Terry into his gang so easily, it is because he was a kid from their tightly-knit neighborhood... When you grow up in a neighborhood like that, your best friends are practically like brothers (except the fact that Terry used to date their younger sister...) You're not gonna expect that he is gonna come back years later as an undercover cop... Also, they didn't just take him in, no questions asked... Terry had a good back story and they still did some checking up on him... Frankie had Pat (I believe his name was) do some surveillance to check up on Terry... They had no reason to believe he wasn't legit... As for the thing you mentioned about the last scene, I would have to go back and watch it again to be sure... Which I am sure I will... I go back and watch the dvd about once a year... It is one of my favorite movies... As for the book it is based on... Yeah, in a way... It is largely based on a book called "The Westies" by TJ English... The book is based on real-life events and a real-life gang, The Westies... However, the movie is very loosely based on the book... They fictionalize a lot of things to make for a better movie... For instance, Terry Noonan is a totally made-up character... The two real-life gang leaders are Mickey Featherstone and Jimmy Coonan... They are not brothers, but good friends... They were brought down, in part, by Rudy Giuliani when he was a DA in New York in the '80's... The book is very good and I highly recommend it... I read it before I ever heard of State of Grace... Also, just a side note - in Sleepers, the two guys who end up murdering Kevin Bacon are said to be members of The West Side Boys... It is fairly obvious that The West Side Boys are, in fact, The Westies... They just change the name of the gang in the movie... So, again, State of Grace is based on The Westies and the real-life events that inspired that book - but the movie is definitely a fictionalized portrayal...

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Nope,what's your point I says?

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Bollywood usually rips from american gangster films.

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I'm not mad at all, i'm pretty deadpan online.

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It's the best Irish Mob movie, it's easy to pick Mafia movies, lots of them but Irish Mob movies are thin on the ground. Best portrayl for my money is State of Grace and GTA IV but thats a video game.
I pray to God no-one tries to re-make this movie. I'm sick of classic movies being re-made and egits being cast in them!

"My first crush was Eddie Blake, does that make me twisted?"

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Someone once said to me that Gary Oldman is such a good actor you don't need to mention it anymore, what you said kinda pi***s all over that, LoL.
Mind you I punched my brother when he burned my copy of State of Grace so maybe I over react a little sometimes....

"Well if I'da known it was such a big deal to ya I'da asked you to let them kill me"

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I have to agree, I watched this film the last night and was very disapointed.

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I watched 'State of Grace' last night, twenty years after my cinema experience.

Strangely enough, the movie still works for me. A very clever script and some truly great perfs and a terrific climax.

Still very good after all these years.



STATE OF GRACE: 8/10

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you saw the movie "28 years later"? How is this possible?


Hi, I'm God. Can I touch You?

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I guess even Marty McFly uses an online pseudonym.

This movie is fantastic and you will not find a better actor than Gary Oldman.

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I'm not usually one who makes harsh judgements like this, but the original poster is an idiot.

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I also rated this movie 8/10. Totally works for me.

About the acting:

Gary Oldman: Excellent.

Sean Penn: Very Good.

Ed Harris: Very Good.


I understand we all have different taste in movies, you may like it or not, but I don't get the bashing.


Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3v8GwVDyk8



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"... upon which this movie is supposed to be based upon ..."

uhhh, OK

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You say this is a bad movie and of course, you have your right to your opinion, but when you say this movie is implausible - YOU ARE COMPLETELY OFF-BASE... State of Grace is largely based (and rather accurately portrayed) on REAL events involving the Westies, the West Side Irish gang in New York City. The characters are all based on REAL people, Jimmy Coonan, and his gang - eg, the Westies.

Before you go suggesting "implausible" I would suggest that YOU do a little research on the "Westies" who made their home and world in New York's Hell's Kitchen. You will be surprised to find that the movie, VERY closely covers and portrays REAL events. Hence, your charge of implausible is not only ill-founded - it is just plain wrong.

Further, State of Grace produces many great performances, but of them, Gary Oldman's portrayal is simply extraordinary. Both Sean Penn and Ed Harris also do rather good jobs.

To say this is a bad movie... Well, it shows that your opinion-making apparatus is well, highly flawed, and you would not be the kind of person anyone would want to get any recommendation from because #1, you dont know what your talking about when you say "implausible" since many scene portrayed in this movie DID actually happen, and #2, you clearly dont know great acting when you see it.

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thanks for all the replies.

I stand by my opinion about this movie. However I want to make clear the point that I never criticized the acting of any actors. However all the brilliant acting can not save a bad script.

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All of your points are so far from being correct, I had to laugh out loud. I also laughed because they are a group of such unimportant points, IF they were correct...

Noonan had a very VERY close relationship with Jack and his sister. It's not far fetched that he could come back and mingle with them again. It's actually very likely.

Him not being able to see the killer was a story device to drive home, even more, the point of how Noonan couldn't stand that it became his "job" to try and rat on his friends. This was another instance of his "job" getting in between him and best friend. This was an ongoing story arc from the beginning so you're wrong.

Of course, Noonan still KNEW who it was, and him not even mentioning to his boss who he was PRETTY SURE did it was awesome because he knew that he couldn't technically identify him so he would take the law into his own hands. That's just one interpretation, which is the mark of a good movie to have more than one.

I don't understand what's wrong with him bullying the bar owner. That's what those little mobs did, ran racketeering scams. He's just 1 of 50 people they bust for money, it adds up. Stuff like that REALLY happens, so I don't get your gripe with it.

I just watched the last scene, and what you are seeing is not his suite. Even IF there was a minor cosmetic goof, that is a valid reason to call something a bad movie.

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This is one of my fave films, as a Mob film, I think it's better than the overrated Goodfellas (excellent as it is), and I absolutely cannot find one thing about it I don't like. Except, perhaps, it's never been given the treatment it deserves on DVD, it really should be a 2 disc Special Edition.
If all else fails, if there's folks out there who don't like the film, just sit back and enjoy the always gorgeous cinematography of Jordan Cronenweth - that's this film's ace-in-the-hole. 10/10

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