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This is like Die Hard 2 cheesy


This film is incredibly pretentious. And the director is sincere about that pretentiousness that he actually feels like he's making a good film.

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Die Hard 2 is not the best sequel, DH3 is the best sequel


Nah, Die Hard 3 doesn't feel like a Die Hard movie since its script was originally supposed to be for a Lethal Weapon sequel, hence why McLane now has a sidekick who's black and it's like a 'buddy' cop movie. It just feels like a random Bruce Willis action movie with the name 'Die Hard' slapped onto it (seeing since Willis and McTiernan were on a run of bombs at that time, it seems they both used the movie as an excuse to make some money and get their careers kick started).

Die Hard 2 is more original than DH3. It also feels closer to the original in tone and look plus has a better story, acting and script than DH3. It's a way better action movie on every level, I think. It was the best action movie of the 90s.

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Nope. That movie should've been called Die Hard: With a Lethal Weapon. McLane's got a friggin side kick for christs sakes, talk about lame. Die Hard 2 looks and feels just like original - it's a true Die Hard movie. DHWAV is a good sequel but not in DH2's league.

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McT was over the hill when he made DH3. Harlin was a raw newcomer in 1990 who took chances and had balls.

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DH 3 was better. Grubers always make better villains.


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Nah, DH2 had three different kick ass villains including Franco Nero, Bill Sadler and John Amos plus the T-1000. The bad dudes in DH2 including all the agents were bad ass as hell while Simon Gruber and his boys looked like a bunch of 80s euro fags.

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Nah, Die Hard 3 doesn't feel like a Die Hard movie since its script was originally supposed to be for a Lethal Weapon sequel, hence why McLane now has a sidekick who's black and it's like a 'buddy' cop movie.


So just because he has a black sidekick that automatically makes it like Lethal Weapon? Did you forget that McClane had sidekicks in the first two films? Remember Argyle, Officer Al Powell, Barnes the Airport Engineer and the janitor from DH2?

DH3 is not like a LW-esque "buddy cop" film at all because Zeus doesn't resemble Danny Glover's Murtaugh and he isn't even a cop. The film more closely resembles Nick Nolte and Eddie Murphy's relationship in 48 Hrs in that it's two guys stuck in a miserable situation beyond their control and they end up respecting each other by the film's end.

It just feels like a random Bruce Willis action movie with the name 'Die Hard' slapped onto it


Now this just hyperbole. McClane is still the same fiery wiseass we saw in the first two films - only he's hungover and divorced. It's still a DH movie because McClane is thrust into a situation he doesn't want to be part of, still trapped and against the odds; only this time within a big crowded city rather than a tower.

Sequels need to be different and expand upon the characters introduced in the original. And that's one of the good things about DH3, that it takes the character of McClane and puts him in a new setting, different crime scenario and interacting with new characters.

Die Hard 2 is more original than DH3.


Really? Because DH2 is a rehash of the original only set at an airport. Another terrorist scheme during Christmas and McClane has to save his wife? Again. McClane needs help from Al Powell and butts heads with another by-the-book police chief. Again. Sleazy reporter Dick Thornberg uses this as an opportunity to sell a story. Again. And once again, the film ends with McClane and his wife being driven off by the film's sidekick while a Christmas song plays.

Anyway, I made my point, but DH2 is far from being an original sequel.

The bad dudes in DH2 including all the agents were bad ass as hell while Simon Gruber and his boys looked like a bunch of 80s euro fags.


Euro "fags"? Wow.

So just because they're "badass" that makes them great villains? Me personally, I like my villains to be more than just evildoers who kill for no purpose and exist just to cause mayhem. While I like William Sadler, John Amos and Franco Nero as actors, they aren't given much to do as villains other than bark orders and kill innocent people. McClane and Col. Stuart don't even have much interaction throughout the film!

Simon was more interesting because he's got a charming personality about him and he constantly puts McClane through the ringer.

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It's high treason to say this, but Predator 2 and Die Hard 2 are my favorite of each franchise. I'll concede that Die Hard 1 and Predator 1 are better films, as Predator 2 has some terrible acting lol. But I love the sequels, solid action movies both of them. Colonel Stewart was my favorite Die Hard villain, and the City Hunter was my favorite Predator.

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Die Hard 2 is one of the most original action movies of all time, and certainly one of the most entertaining. The bad rap it gets from fans astounds me, hardly anyone thinks highly of it and worse, they think the other sequels (3, 4 & 5) are better than it. No way! I guess it's not for everybody, much like this film. Predator 2 and Die Hard 2 are acquired tastes.

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Die Hard 2 is an excellent action sequel. Predator 2 is not nearly as good but entertaining enough. Today it also has tons of charm as a time capsule of an action sub genre we never see anymore.

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Predator 2 was awesome and not pretentious at all. Not as good as the original but a great flick.

Die Hard 1 was the best Die Hard 2 and 3 weren't even close to the original.

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die hard 2 and predator 2 - both release in 1990 and both the greatest action sequel of all times

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